You do realize he's not a mod, right?Over the top arrogant mods are what turned this place to shit. Good job!
You do realize he's not a mod, right?Over the top arrogant mods are what turned this place to shit. Good job!
I'll bet you 20 bucks or a couple beers in person he is. Deal?You do realize he's not a mod, right?
Might want to double check your police work there.You do realize he's not a mod, right?
Why not go big stakes? Lets make it $100 to the charity of your choiceI'll bet you 20 bucks or a couple beers in person he is. Deal?
I'm selfish, I'd rather drink beer.Why not go big stakes? Lets make it $100 to the charity of your choice
Sadly I cant drink beer anymore thanks to a semi-recent medical diagnosisI'm selfish, I'd rather drink beer.
So I take it you dont want to make/take that bet? I'll drop it back down to $20 if it makes any differenceI'm selfish, I'd rather drink beer.
Deal.So I take it you dont want to make/take that bet? I'll drop it back down to $20 if it makes any difference
Good find. Al Jazeera is schooling our mainstream media on the basics of good investigative journalism.Interview with one of the reporters from the story Deborah Davis, goes into more details.
http://www.120sports.com/video/v160564828/1on1-with-deborah-davies
I'll do the same. Regardless of the outcome somebody there wins, and that's good.You can choose another one. I just wanted to let you know where I was donating if I lost the bet
No question about it. Hey, I'm a huge Brady fan and think he and the organization got railroaded but Wibi, 121 (with all his charm) et al are correct. No need for every thread to turn into a conversation about how our team was screwed or how the media has not treated every other situation the same way Brady and the Pats were treated.I'll do the same. Regardless of the outcome somebody there wins, and that's good.
I'll have you know I was never discounting your opinion, just pointing out that as a SEA fan you'd likely have a different perspective on the entire situation and as a NE fan I shouldn't be ridiculed for believing Brady got the short stick from the NFL and media versus Manning.
121 needs to be held accountable for his bullshit posts just like the rest of us, and if every thread migrates towards a single topic, perhaps that topic should be addressed. But hey, to each their own.No question about it. Hey, I'm a huge Brady fan and think he and the organization got railroaded but Wibi, 121 (with all his charm) et al are correct. No need for every thread to turn into a conversation about how out team was screwed or how the media has not treated every other situation the same way Brady and the Pats were treated.
BTW, AD, settle your losing wager.
It is highly likely that Manning had a couple of days' notice before the story became public (he didn't just do an ESPN interview and hire Fleischer within hours of hearing the story). I wouldn't be surprised if Peyton's team was coordinating with Sly and Guyer before the story broke. That time gave him a huge advantage.One way to make chicken salad out of the chicken shit that is further Ballghazi complaints is to look in more depth at Peyton's PR strategy. That Manning is getting a more favorable edit by media agencies now than Brady did initially (nevermind after the Wells Report came out) is hard to dispute, but it's not interesting on its own. WHY that is happening, however, is somewhat interesting.
There are the antecedent narratives, to some degree. Brady has always been a golden-boy, somewhat-aloof persona who has been very private. However, as a star in the league, he's gotten a huge ratio of positive to negative coverage, and quite a volume of that. Manning's persona management isn't just with media appearances and team PR, either; while the commercials have probably shaped his public perception a bit, I'm not sure it's given him a huge starting point in favor relative to Brady. I suppose we need to factor in that PEDs are an issue already-understood by the sports-following audience, and people find it distasteful but not weird; what Brady was kinda-sorta accused of [fill in ranting description here] was both novel and weird, so he started with a couple strikes against him.
Where I see a much bigger difference is in the after-the-fact narrative control and proactive actions:
All told, I think Brady probably missed some opportunities to shift narrative in his favor in the early days of Ballghazi. Peyton has a few built-in advantages, but not enormous ones.
- Peyton responded by making himself available the same day to ESPN, as well as on Sunday pregames, and a couple other places noted in this thread; Brady meanwhile had a stage-managed podium statement, 4 days later, after it had already done several circuits on the national news and speculation.
- Brady's initial statement, while matter-of-fact and sincere, went on far beyond what can be contained in a sound-bite, allowing the pre-existing narratives to remain what's stuck in people's heads. Peyton's was brief (and repeated).
- Likewise, Brady's statement was calm and measured. Peyton's, while being roughly the same in content, was furious and emotional. People like to see that, and are inclined to believe statements presented that way (see e.g. Dr Fox effect). Even if they both had similar coaching in terms of what types of statements to make or words to use or not use, Brady missed an opportunity to come out as the aggressor and be presented as the sympathetic, aggrieved party.
- Peyton has since threatened legal action in blustery fashion, nevermind his odds of success. Brady let legal action come to him.
- Not much difference in team/ownership response; both were strongly supportive but bland and lacking detail.
- We also need to point out that within a few days of the initial report, Brady had a then-highly-credible national NFL reporter relaying fairly damning-sounding information, whereas the backtracking here from Guyer and Sly gives momentum to the "nothing to see here" narrative. That's not the media's fault; sports media are naturally lazy as we all know and will take the path of least resistance 95% of the time. Brady's lack of access to the real facts would have meant that doing a Peyton-like offensive could have potentially left him exposed as stating mistruths later on, even if irrelevant. But Peyton's choice to be dismissive and contemptuous of the reporting has undoubtedly helped him be the shaper of the current reporting tone.
- Lastly, I'd observe that Peyton has started to develop (and may further emphasize) the Clinton-in-1992 approach of appearing to be primarily defensive of his wife (to Jerry Brown: "you ought to be ashamed of yourself, jumping on my wife!"). Brady probably never had any such opportunity, but the "defending my family" theme is one with powerful biases in Peyton's favor.
Soxfan121 is a full member with the lifetime banner. Same exact privileges as oh, say, Shelterdog. No mod/dope powers.Over the top arrogant mods are what turned this place to shit. Good job!
It has been addressed. Moreover, a thread was created so that all of those ideas, theories, media comps can be discussed there.121 needs to be held accountable for his bullshit posts just like the rest of us, and if every thread migrates towards a single topic, perhaps that topic should be addressed. But hey, to each their own.
I'm good for my wager. We'll figure out exactly who owes who what soon.
I fully believe Brady and NE got railroaded over some bullshit decision making by the NFL. And you have every right to feel the same way but you arent being ridiculed for believing that. You arent being ridiculed period. You (and others here) have been beating a dead horse for a while now when everyone here agrees Brady got screwed. Whats the purpose/point of keeping up the posts that Brady got jobbed? I dont know anyone here who disagrees with that thought processI'll do the same. Regardless of the outcome somebody there wins, and that's good.
I'll have you know I was never discounting your opinion, just pointing out that as a SEA fan you'd likely have a different perspective on the entire situation and as a NE fan I shouldn't be ridiculed for believing Brady got the short stick from the NFL and media versus Manning.
Not even within a singular forum? That's been a thing in the past.Soxfan121 is a full member with the lifetime banner. Same exact privileges as oh, say, Shelterdog. No mod/dope powers.
Not any longer, no.Not even within a singular forum? That's been a thing in the past.
Tell 121 that, because he absolutely singled out my post, which wasn't aggressive or offensive in any way, and derailed this entire thread.I fully believe Brady and NE got railroaded over some bullshit decision making by the NFL. And you have every right to feel the same way but you arent being ridiculed for believing that. You arent being ridiculed period. You (and others here) have been beating a dead horse for a while now when everyone here agrees Brady got screwed. Whats the purpose/point of keeping up the posts that Brady got jobbed? I dont know anyone here who disagrees with that thought process
No.Not even within a singular forum? That's been a thing in the past.
Thanks, that wasn't clear to me.Not any longer, no.
OK, done. 20 bucks to the charity listed above, and 121 held to the same standards as the rest of the forum. Smiley faces at the tail end of posts don't count.
Tell 121 that, because he absolutely singled out my post, which wasn't aggressive or offensive in any way, and derailed this entire thread.
As I said earlier, conversely, what's the purpose of acting like it didn't happen and not acknowledging it at all? There's a line to walk here, but when it comes to high-profile QB controversies, asking people to converse about one and not talk about the other at all is unrealistic.
KFP is still a content mod in the Fiskful of Dollars forum (only).Thanks, that wasn't clear to me.
Is Kenny Powers still a semi mod?
Thanks, that wasn't clear to me.
Is Kenny Powers still a semi mod?
Wait, so people aren't mods in singular forums any longer, except...they are? How are we supposed to tell the difference?KFP is still a content mod in the Fiskful of Dollars forum (only).
Wait, so people aren't mods in singular forums any longer, except...they are? How are we supposed to tell the difference?
You illustrate how much of a dipshit they are and you get suspended for a week.Wait, so people aren't mods in singular forums any longer, except...they are? How are we supposed to tell the difference?
Have heard nothing but good things about Carmelo. Super nice polite fella.I heard from a Baltimore area accountant that "Carmelo Anthony has a heart of gold" and his charity is on the up and up if you want to make sure your contribution goes to a good charity. This little fact really ruined hating Melo for me and I tell the bastard everytime I see him that I don't like knowing that Melo is a good guy.
http://www.thecarmeloanthonyfoundation.org/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/02/27/carmelo_anthony_does_charity_the_right_way.html
Those are dopes.You illustrate how much of a dipshit they are and you get suspended for a week.
Followup in Backwash.Wait, so people aren't mods in singular forums any longer, except...they are? How are we supposed to tell the difference?
La la la...I can't hear you!Have heard nothing but good things about Carmelo. Super nice polite fella.
La la la...I can't hear you!
Nah, he just rips off the Knicks.I don't know anything about that situation. I just know melo doesn't rip people off with his charity like a lot of people do
Nah, he just rips off the Knicks.
I'll second or third the vote on 'Melo the person. He's the anti-Manning, prickly public persona who is one of the really good guys in sports.Yeah, I told my pal Melo figures he gives all his money away so on the court he doesn't have to give the ball to anyone. I'm a Melo the athlete hater but I've met people from Syracuse and a decent amount of people from Baltimore that say he is doing really good work with his foundation.
Edit: I think people are going to think Manning has hired shills to keep changing the subject. Let's get back to AJ going after the American hero that is known nationwide.
One post, on your fucking embarrassing behavior didn't derail this thread, sweetness. You pissing all over yourself with 15 follow ups and bets sure did though.Tell 121 that, because he absolutely singled out my post, which wasn't aggressive or offensive in any way, and derailed this entire thread.
As I said earlier, conversely, what's the purpose of acting like it didn't happen and not acknowledging it at all? There's a line to walk here, but when it comes to high-profile QB controversies, asking people to converse about one and not talk about the other at all is unrealistic.
Also, all members should be held to the same accountability standards.
Oh, you people know exactly what I mean.What do you mean, you people?
Also, this post is ridiculous. I have to give you credit, when you go down a path of rage and righteousness, you go down deep.
Thank you. This contribution alone, right here, shows exactly why you are the single worst poster on this entire site, a microcosm for all that is wrong with improving and progressing a forum with productive discussion, and I want nothing more than it to be held up for posterity.One post, on your fucking embarrassing behavior didn't derail this thread, sweetness. You pissing all over yourself with 15 follow ups and bets sure did though.