Manning Legacy: Scrotal Recall

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I'd prefer it if Tom would refrain from associating with known cheaters.

Oh, this story is wonderful! :banana:

Also, it would have been nice if Peyton had thought to stand up for Tom. More proof that the NFL took down the most diplomatic, polished image player in the league.
 
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ABC will be doing a segment on the Manning story on the news tonight. The angle is 'Peyton fighting back.' Of course if it was Brady the angle would be 'Once again, Brady under fire.' Amazing how national discourse and opinion is shaped like this.
 

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I'd prefer it if Tom would refrain from associating with known cheaters.

Oh, this story is wonderful! :banana:

Also, it would have been nice if Peyton had thought to stand up for Tom. More proof that the NFL took down the most diplomatic, polished image player in the league.
Brady didnt say anything different than what Peyton said about Deflategate. They both said they would support their friend and nothing more.
 

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I'd prefer it if Tom would refrain from associating with known cheaters.

Oh, this story is wonderful! :banana:

Also, it would have been nice if Peyton had thought to stand up for Tom. More proof that the NFL took down the most diplomatic, polished image player in the league.

Manning did say something back in May about Tom will always be my friend.
 

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Brady didnt say anything different than what Peyton said about Deflategate. They both said they would support their friend and nothing more.
Stop making sense. Didn't you read the obituary for Facts a page or so back?
 

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ABC will be doing a segment on the Manning story on the news tonight. The angle is 'Peyton fighting back.' Of course if it was Brady the angle would be 'Once again, Brady under fire.' Amazing how national discourse and opinion is shaped like this.
Its shit posting like this that makes these topics almost undiscussable here ... The conversation should be about Manning and not about Brady and yet almost no on here can figure out how to post without either
a) Saying Brady has more class
b) Brady got screwed by some national optics
c) The NFL/ESPN/insert sports news source is biased against NE and Brady.

Can we keep the topic to the HGH report and Peyton and try to keep from ruining another topic with yet more hand wringing about how Brady got screwed?
 

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Its shit posting like this that makes these topics almost undiscussable here ... The conversation should be about Manning and not about Brady and yet almost no on here can figure out how to post without either
a) Saying Brady has more class
b) Brady got screwed by some national optics
c) The NFL/ESPN/insert sports news source is biased against NE and Brady.

Can we keep the topic to the HGH report and Peyton and try to keep from ruining another topic with yet more hand wringing about how Brady got screwed?
You don't think the juxtaposition of how each has been treated by the media during their "scandals" is an interesting part of the discussion?
 

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Peter King with some stuff from both sides:

Yeah, I’m upset,” a rehabbing Manning said after a spirited throwing session with receivers. “I’m pissed off. I was throwing so hard this morning I think I broke some fingers out there.”

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But first, Manning, blowing off steam.
“I can promise you this is a total fabrication,” he said over the phone, his voice rising and sometimes shaking. “I simply do not understand how somebody makes up something like this and it becomes a story. And then the guy admits he made it up and it’s still a story. How exactly does that work?”
Peyton on his rehab and wife:

didn’t really know what would work in addition to the regular rehab I was doing every day at the Colts,” Manning said. “We were looking at a lot of different things, and it turned out [the Guyer Institute] had some things we wanted to try.”
Manning said he did three things at Guyer: regular use of the hyperbaric chamber, with concentrated oxygen treatments; intravenous nutrient therapy, involving vitamins and minerals; and Enhanced External Counterpulsation therapy. As the Guyer website explains, EECP uses oversized blood-pressure cuffs strapped to the legs and buttocks that are synched to the pulse of the heart, helping push blood through the body, ideally to speed healing. Manning hoped it would expedite nerve regeneration.
“I was a good patient,” Manning said. “Basically, they told me I had to do this an hour a day, Monday through Friday, for 35 consecutive [week] days. Every day I’d start there before I went to the Colts facility. So that’s how long I did it, every day. I remember I watched a lot of Hoda and Kathie Lee.
“Every treatment I did, I did with the knowledge and cooperation of the Colts. Never did I do anything outside the rules. Damn straight I’d never do anything outside the rules. I know how hard I’ve worked to play in this league for 18 years. For this jerk [Sly] to insinuate I cut any corners, I cheated, I took shortcuts, is outrageous. Damn outrageous.
“I’m getting emotional now. But I know what I did. And I did nothing illegal.”

Al Jazeera reported the transport of HGH was from Guyer to Ashley Manning, who has not commented on the allegations. Peyton Manning said the insinuation that HGH was shipped to his wife to disguise that he was getting it “sickens me.” He said her medical information was personal, and he would not discuss it.
Guyer's doubling down, which reads to me like he and Sly have been coordinating their stories:

When he recanted his testimony over the weekend, Sly said he worked for founder Dale Guyer of the anti-aging clinic in 2013, not in 2011, when Manning was a patient. Guyer, in a statement issued Sunday afternoon, said: “I would emphasize that Mr. Sly was never an employee of the Guyer Institute and his brief three-month internship occurred in 2013 during which time Peyton was not even being treated or present in the office.”
I emailed Guyer, asking him for a response to Davies’ claim about the 2011 dates. On Sunday night, he responded thusly:
“The information you have been provided is incorrect. Charles Sly was never an employee of The Guyer Institute. At the relevant time, Mr. Sly was a pharmacy student in Nevada who emailed us a request for an internship. Arrangements for his internship, including the specific start and end dates, were made through his school advisor. Mr. Sly began his unpaid student internship with us on February 18th, 2013. He had no patient responsibilities at any time. Further, he had no affiliation with our office prior to February 18th, 2013, and has had none subsequent to the conclusion of his internship in May of 2013. Hope this helps to clarify the dates in question.”
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/28/peyton-manning-hgh-allegations-nfl-week-16-upsets
 

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Gotta remember ABCNews is spoon fed by ESPN for sports news. ABC was sensationalist and damning of Brady from the gun; the Peyton report was denial, clip of Sly saying it went to Ashley, denial, Brady support, Guyer denial, Sly recant, closing with 'spite of all this AJ stands by their report'.
 

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You don't think the juxtaposition of how each has been treated by the media during their "scandals" is an interesting part of the discussion?
Sounds like a great topic for a new thread instead of mega threading this one
 

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There are two posts up about it on the NFL subreddit front page. One is the Brady support and the other is the Manning saying he is going to sue. Is there a master thread? No but saying the NFL subreddit has nothing is a bit misleading
Really? I'm looking at it now and it's not in the front page when I go there.
 

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You don't think the juxtaposition of how each has been treated by the media during their "scandals" is an interesting part of the discussion?
From the perspective of someone who's not a NE fan, of course he doesn't.

The media treatment angle is huge for those of us that're unabashed Brady fans. If you're neutral, I can absolutely understand why you wouldn't care.
 

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It can't be that hard to verify employment history, right? Wouldn't tax records show if this guy worked there in 2011? An investigative reporter couldn't dig that up?
 

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From the perspective of someone who's not a NE fan, of course he doesn't.

The media treatment angle is huge for those of us that're unabashed Brady fans. If you're neutral, I can absolutely understand why you wouldn't care.
I think wibi's still bitter that Brady & Belichick weren't suspended for the Super Bowl.
 

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It can't be that hard to verify employment history, right? Wouldn't tax records show if this guy worked there in 2011? An investigative reporter couldn't dig that up?
They did precisely what they were supposed to, they called the clinic and asked them when Sly work there. The clinic employee responded to the question with a pretty specific start date. The producers aren't entitled to see any tax documents that Sly doesn't voluntarily release. And I doubt that anyone from the IRS, that wants to work there, would be releasing confidential information to AJ America.
 
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So far all that is proven is that Sly did in fact work at the clinic in the time frame that Manning was going there in 2011, and Guyer's and Sly's claims contrary to that are outright lies.
Its still not conclusive proof that Manning got HGH there, or that his wife did. He could have gone their only for the things he detailed to King. Sly might have met him there, and then morphed meeting him into a lie he used to brag and sell himself to other athletes. It's possible.
Just pointing out what is proven and what is still conjecture here. It really, really does not look good for Manning, but that doesn't mean its proven yet.
 

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So far all that is proven is that Sly did in fact work at the clinic in the time frame that Manning was going there in 2011, and Guyer's and Sly's claims contrary to that are outright lies. .
Where was this proven? I haven't seen the doc yet and haven't had time to catch up, but is there a link or something that proves this? I've heard the he said / he said from both sides.
 

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You don't think the juxtaposition of how each has been treated by the media during their "scandals" is an interesting part of the discussion?
I don't.

This should be for the developments as it relates to the HGH story. You want to talk about being butt-hurt over Deflategate coverage as opposed to this, start a different thread
 
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Where was this proven? I haven't seen the doc yet and haven't had time to catch up, but is there a link or something that proves this? I've heard the he said / he said from both sides.
Al Jazeera released the transcript of a phone call to the clinic to confirm the dates Sly worked at the clinic.
caeserbear linked to a huffpost article with it last page:
 

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Where was this proven? I haven't seen the doc yet and haven't had time to catch up, but is there a link or something that proves this? I've heard the he said / he said from both sides.
Page back or so, link to Huff Post has AJ transcript with Guyer confirming Sly employment starting 10/17/11
 

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So far all that is proven is that Sly did in fact work at the clinic in the time frame that Manning was going there in 2011, and Guyer's and Sly's claims contrary to that are outright lies.
Its still not conclusive proof that Manning got HGH there, or that his wife did. He could have gone their only for the things he detailed to King. Sly might have met him there, and then morphed meeting him into a lie he used to brag and sell himself to other athletes. It's possible.
Just pointing out what is proven and what is still conjecture here. It really, really does not look good for Manning, but that doesn't mean its proven yet.
Well that is the story now but at the time of the recording/undercover part it was not about Peyton at all, AJ America did not go into this story thinking hey let's bust Peyton Manning.
They went in to see how easy it was to purchase said drug's.

Now it is up to other reporter's to flesh out the Manning stuff and decide if it is a story worth covering.
 

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That "IV nutrient therapy" will be his undoing. My guess is that Al Jazeera may have paperwork documenting that those "vitamins and minerals" included HGH. Peyton will then claim ignorance of the exact mixture.
If AJ had that info you don't think that would have been the center of their story?
 
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Well that is the story now but at the time of the recording/undercover part it was not about Peyton at all, AJ America did not go into this story thinking hey let's bust Peyton Manning.
They went in to see how easy it was to purchase said drug's.

Now it is up to other reporter's to flesh out the Manning stuff and decide if it is a story worth covering.
Well yeah, this thread is about Manning though. It was obviously not the goal of doing the report but something they stumbled on while doing it. And its definitely bigger than anything else they uncovered. I mean nobody's wondering when Teagarden's going to make a statement, are they?
Its kinda like they went fishing for salmon and somehow managed to reel in a killer whale.
 

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It can't be that hard to verify employment history, right? Wouldn't tax records show if this guy worked there in 2011? An investigative reporter couldn't dig that up?
If Sly's internship was a requirement for his pharmacy degree, then there are people at a pharmacy school who know when he was with Guyer.

Heck, Sly might have his internship w/dates listed on his LinkedIn profile, but the key is to find an archived version from months ago in case he edited or deleted his profile.

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On a related note, from KXAN in Austin, TX:

Indiana Pharmacy Board records searched by KXAN showed Sly was a licensed pharmacy intern from 2010 to 2013.

The actual info from the Indiana Pharmacy Board is here.
 
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Brady didnt say anything different than what Peyton said about Deflategate. They both said they would support their friend and nothing more.
Looking back, Peyton did say more than I remembered. While Tom's statement is still marginally more supportive, the essence of the last sentence in my post isn't called for.
 

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I think wibi's still bitter that Brady & Belichick weren't suspended for the Super Bowl.
If you really think that then you literally know nothing about me. I was over that loss a long time ago and I would have rather SEA won it with NE having Brady and BB so people wouldnt have complained that SEA won it with a significant handicap over NE.
 

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A quick personal note. From 5th grade to 8th grade I was prescribed and took HGH(6 shots a week at home) (my doctor worked at children's hospital in LA) the reason for me being prescribed HGH was that I was growing at an extremely slow (and I mean slow) pace. Hight wise I was one of the smallest kids in my class and I was near the bottom on the height percentile chart (which compares your height to other children of the same age). While taking it it seemed like I grew 2 shoe sizes every year (I now wear a 10.5 shoe) and my hands grew a bunch (I can now palm a basketball and fully wrap my hands around an iPhone 6+)

After taking it my height was slightly above average for my age (I am now 5'9 at 23yrs).

I can probably say that had I not taken HGH as a child (and just let my body grow on its own) I would still be below average height wise which I'm kind of glad I'm not.
Having a son who has consistently been below the 5th percentile (if on the chart at all) I have read extensively on HGH use on adolescents. While I am happy you grew to a decent height, studies have shown that use of HGH only adds 1" of height to genetic height. It does accelerate the growth process so that natural height is achieved earlier. Delayed or slow growth is not a clinical reason for HGH. The only clinical reason is for children with a measurable deficiency in natural HGH. I am actually shocked that you were prescribed HGH pre-puberty, that would be typically not recommended based on our discussions with several endocrinologists. My recommendation to you is to make sure you obtain your pediatric records should you have children in the future. Understanding if you had actual HGH deficiencies or just simply delayed growth will help you make decisions for them.
 

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Tomorrow we will find out there was another employee there with the exact same name at that time.

Somewhere in the world, Heather at the Guyer Clinic is about to become neighbors with the woman at NFL HQ who received the Ray Rice video.
 

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So instead of just starting a new thread yourself with a more focused discussion you'd rather demand that everyone move to a new thread so you can talk about what you want to here?
There is a very simple solution here.
You do see the irony of you posting chastising me about posting about a new topic, right?
 

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Poor Mort, this was supposed to be his triumphant return to glory, but he got it wrong again :(
 

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From the perspective of someone who's not a NE fan, of course he doesn't.

The media treatment angle is huge for those of us that're unabashed Brady fans. If you're neutral, I can absolutely understand why you wouldn't care.
As a fan of New England and Brady it's fucking embarrassing. You people are fucking ruining it for the rest of us who want to be fans of the team and retain a smidgen of credibility.

The media treatment angle is the Hawk Harrelson of takes. It is so blindly and wantonly silly that even Tommy Heinsohn thinks it is over the top. The constant and never-ending whining about everything being anti-Patriot has become so fucking tiresome.

That a poster with years of quality posts is given a "he's not in our laundry" dismissal is par for the fucking course. Good job on turning what-once-was a good place to talk football into a swamp at the base of the wall where most of the content is bullshit about how the "Pats got screwed" or "Brady was treated worse". Fucking bang up job, everyone.
 

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As a fan of New England and Brady it's fucking embarrassing. You people are fucking ruining it for the rest of us who want to be fans of the team and retain a smidgen of credibility.

The media treatment angle is the Hawk Harrelson of takes. It is so blindly and wantonly silly that even Tommy Heinsohn thinks it is over the top. The constant and never-ending whining about everything being anti-Patriot has become so fucking tiresome.

That a poster with years of quality posts is given a "he's not in our laundry" dismissal is par for the fucking course. Good job on turning what-once-was a good place to talk football into a swamp at the base of the wall where most of the content is bullshit about how the "Pats got screwed" or "Brady was treated worse". Fucking bang up job, everyone.
If only there was a way to fold it into the threads about who we're scared to play.
 

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As a fan of New England and Brady it's fucking embarrassing. You people are fucking ruining it for the rest of us who want to be fans of the team and retain a smidgen of credibility.

The media treatment angle is the Hawk Harrelson of takes. It is so blindly and wantonly silly that even Tommy Heinsohn thinks it is over the top. The constant and never-ending whining about everything being anti-Patriot has become so fucking tiresome.

That a poster with years of quality posts is given a "he's not in our laundry" dismissal is par for the fucking course. Good job on turning what-once-was a good place to talk football into a swamp at the base of the wall where most of the content is bullshit about how the "Pats got screwed" or "Brady was treated worse". Fucking bang up job, everyone.
What's fucking embarrassing is this mentality.

Like it or not, Brady DID get a raw deal. A federal judge agreed.

Why so aggressive? Why are you allowed to be so aggressive and insulting? Because we're supposed to just shrug over that our team got a sheer straight up buttfucking from the media and the NFL itself, and it's interesting that another high-profile player's problems aren't addressed equally? Or do we hum and just not acknowledge it at all? What is the purpose of that? What do we gain?

Can we not point out that a Seattle fan's mentality might be slightly different than a NE fan's without making out one side to be petty and juvenile?

Christ. Everything about this post is what's wrong with this forum. It's aggressive, it lacks perspective, and it doesn't fucking help. It's sophomoric bullshit.
 

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As a fan of New England and Brady it's fucking embarrassing. You people are fucking ruining it for the rest of us who want to be fans of the team and retain a smidgen of credibility.

The media treatment angle is the Hawk Harrelson of takes. It is so blindly and wantonly silly that even Tommy Heinsohn thinks it is over the top. The constant and never-ending whining about everything being anti-Patriot has become so fucking tiresome.

That a poster with years of quality posts is given a "he's not in our laundry" dismissal is par for the fucking course. Good job on turning what-once-was a good place to talk football into a swamp at the base of the wall where most of the content is bullshit about how the "Pats got screwed" or "Brady was treated worse". Fucking bang up job, everyone.
What do you mean, you people?

Also, this post is ridiculous. I have to give you credit, when you go down a path of rage and righteousness, you go down deep.
 

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As a fan of New England and Brady it's fucking embarrassing. You people are fucking ruining it for the rest of us who want to be fans of the team and retain a smidgen of credibility.

The media treatment angle is the Hawk Harrelson of takes. It is so blindly and wantonly silly that even Tommy Heinsohn thinks it is over the top. The constant and never-ending whining about everything being anti-Patriot has become so fucking tiresome.

That a poster with years of quality posts is given a "he's not in our laundry" dismissal is par for the fucking course. Good job on turning what-once-was a good place to talk football into a swamp at the base of the wall where most of the content is bullshit about how the "Pats got screwed" or "Brady was treated worse". Fucking bang up job, everyone.
Over the top arrogant mods are what turned this place to shit. Good job!
 

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Alright, enough. Let's focus on Peyton and his HGH use in this thread and if people want to discuss the media's comparison of Brady and Manning and their respective -gates, start a thread please.