May 14 week gamethread

[SocrManiac]

Brentford seems to be questioning Richarlison’s PEN conversion. Watching live I though he stopped before slotting home.

I don’t think he stopped. I do think that nonsense needs to be legislated out. The kicker has all the advantages. Needing to push that further though trickery is too much.

They stopped keepers from coming off the line and touching the bar, it’s time to clean up the taker’s side.

 

[SocrManiac]

Yep ... If Pool are going to miss the league then it would be better to be by a margin that wouldn’t result in a cacophony of complaints about terrible VAR decisions that went City’s way.

Especially one that was so egregious that PMGOL actually apologized for it. That’s literally what separates the teams now.

 

[teddykgb]

Especially one that was so egregious that PMGOL actually apologized for it. That’s literally what separates the teams now.

Don’t do this to yourselves. Every team has had calls go their way and both Liverpool v City matches have had kind decisions go Liverpool’s way which is much more impactful. I’ll let an Everton fan vent as they really needed that match but this is pre sour grapes and there’s still plenty left to play for

 

[Bozo Texino]

Woof.

 

[CodPiece XL]

That was quick

 

[CodPiece XL]

Love that header

 

[shawnrbu]

Moment of madness from Rondon.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Rondon with a total mind cramp … see ya Solomon. That’s probably his last appearance for EFC?

 

[Catcher Block]

Salomon Rondon subbed on in the 84th minute.

Salomon Rondon shown straight red for the dumbest tackle I've seen in a long time in the 87th minute.

 

[CodPiece XL]

I’m always one for complaining the game has become too soft. But yeah.. that’s pretty idiotic.

 

[SocrManiac]

Am I biting on his actions and facial expressions too much? I genuinely think he didn’t intend to do that and accepted immediately he’d fucked up.

Doesn't excuse it, but I don’t think he went on the pitch intending to get sent off.

 

[allstonite]

Am I biting on his actions and facial expressions too much? I genuinely think he didn’t intend to do that and accepted immediately he’d fucked up.

Doesn't excuse it, but I don’t think he went on the pitch intending to get sent off.

I think you’re right. He got wrongfooted and panicked and just did the dumbest possible thing. It was very stupid and careless but I don’t think it was malicious

 

[OCST]

Not unhappy with how Everton played down a man. Third Brentford goal was a worldie header, goes in 1 time out of 20.

Depth at CB now a worry, Keane was sick and has been terrible this year, Branth has done well in limited duty snd is now out for the season, Mina not back til Arsenal if that.

Obviously have to worry about the spirit too. Beat Palace at home or Arsenal away and we’re safe. Anything else needs help.

 

[OCST]

Am I biting on his actions and facial expressions too much? I genuinely think he didn’t intend to do that and accepted immediately he’d fucked up.

Doesn't excuse it, but I don’t think he went on the pitch intending to get sent off.

Agree. Just trying too hard to rescue a lost cause.

 

[OCST]

View: https://twitter.com/AdHunter1984/status/1525868489625444353?s=20&t=jNkchyYhYp3CgYbuWw4oIg


This was less than a minute before Branthwaite got sent off (18’). They didn’t even send it to VAR.

Everton had a 1-0 lead already and had their tails up. Everyone was leaning forward but Branthwaite, really raw, didn’t pay proper attention to his defensive responsibilities and was way too far up the pitch. Brentford won the ball while Evertons attackers were still doing the WTF-ref-hands-raised thing, and right away just lumped it downfield and the attacker beat Branthwaite to it.One on one and easy call on the red for DOGSO, no doubt about it.

Wenger;

View: https://twitter.com/PatrickTimmons1/status/1153328564672114694?s=20&t=tbMrwILxX952QzWG5ODCeA


I love the kid, 6’5”, will be a good CB but geez, relegation scrap is a hell of a time for learning on the job.

 

[OCST]

Especially one that was so egregious that PMGOL actually apologized for it. That’s literally what separates the teams now.

Um, we might go down because of that.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

The Richarlison situation is particularly ridiculous because the egregious shirt pull clearly helps the defender contest and eventually win the ball, so that his teammate can quickly launch it up the pitch. Its all part of the same sequence of play.

I'm not actually sure whether VAR is allowed to overturn a DOGSO red card due to an earlier foul in the sequence (like it would overturn a goal due to a foul in the buildup) but it certainly feels like that should be possible. In this case, I suspect that if it were possible they might have done it if Richarlison was outside the box. But since overturning the red card would mean granting a penalty in the other direction, that is too controversial.

Far too many matches turn on these essentially arbitrary and inconsistent decisions that transform a non-chance into an .8 xg penalty or represent a coin flip whether you're going to play with 10 or 11 men.

 

[OCST]

The Richarlison situation is particularly ridiculous because the egregious shirt pull clearly helps the defender contest and eventually win the ball, so that his teammate can quickly launch it up the pitch. Its all part of the same sequence of play.

I'm not actually sure whether VAR is allowed to overturn a DOGSO red card due to an earlier foul in the sequence (like it would overturn a goal due to a foul in the buildup) but it certainly feels like that should be possible. In this case, I suspect that if it were possible they might have done it if Richarlison was outside the box. But since overturning the red card would mean granting a penalty in the other direction, that is too controversial.

Far too many matches turn on these essentially arbitrary and inconsistent decisions that transform a non-chance into an .8 xg penalty or represent a coin flip whether you're going to play with 10 or 11 men.

I'm pretty sure that if the pen is given on the Richarlison shirt-pull on VAR review, then the play is dead at that point and the Branthwaite red card play is deemed not to have happened.

Can't find the tweet again, but at that juncture (18') the xG was something like 1.87 - 0.05 Everton. We were absolutely killing them and if that sequence went as it should we almost certainly win that game, and probably by 2+ goals.

The inexcusable thing is that VAR never even looked at it.

Edit: there was also the incident where Richarlison was given a penalty at the end of the first half. Sorensen, who committed the foul, was already on a yellow. A second yellow and it's 10 v 10.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

I'm pretty sure that if the pen is given on the Richarlison shirt-pull on VAR review, then the play is dead at that point and the Branthwaite red card play is deemed not to have happened.

Can't find the tweet again, but at that juncture (18') the xG was something like 1.87 - 0.05 Everton. We were absolutely killing them and if that sequence went as it should we almost certainly win that game, and probably by 2+ goals.

The inexcusable thing is that VAR never even looked at it.

Edit: there was also the incident where Richarlison was given a penalty at the end of the first half. Sorensen, who committed the foul, was already on a yellow. A second yellow and it's 10 v 10.

Its another example where the total lack of transparency and accountability is particularly ridiculous. If the referees are not going to judge that to be a foul on Richarlison or the VAR doesn't think it was an obvious enough error to take a look, they should actually explain their rationale after the match. And the obvious reason they won't do it is because they don't want to be put in the position of trying to defend the indefensible.

De facto, instead of instituting practices that would actually promote transparency, accountability, and consistency, what the PL relies on is a sycophantic group of media commentators who will defend almost any decision combined with antipathy between fanbases that will lead all the supporters benefiting for the moment from a bad decision to shit all over whoever happens to be complaining at the time. There are some uncomfortable parallels to the dysfunction of highly polarized politics. Institutions don't work but the media will defend them anyway out of self-interest and regular people are happy to look the other way if it allows them to own the other side.

 

[OCST]

ICYMI:

View: https://twitter.com/Formbyblue/status/1525922313325391872?s=20&t=umrtGSdOChMVz4iNCjVzcA


That gets awarded, it's 2-0 Everton at 19', the Branthwaite red never happens, and I'm convinced that Everton win something like 4-1, 1, looking at the energy in the park and on the pitch, and we're safe.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

That response from the PL just underlines what a joke the "clear and obvious error" standard has become in practice. I guess that shirt pull was a little too subtle, just not quite clear and obvious enough for a review.

 

[SocrManiac]

PMGOL is protesting VAR. The pride they took in covering a 120x80 yard pitch with three guys has been attacked and they're responding in the most passive aggressive way possible.

 

[Zososoxfan]

The ref in Newcastle-Arsenal is giving me strong Gary Sinise vibes. Never seen him before either. COYG (COME ON YOU GEORDIES)!!

 

[Zososoxfan]

Maximin just torching fools down that left flank. Great save from Ramsdale.

 

[OCST]

Maximin just torching fools down that left flank. Great save from Ramsdale.

He’s so good…. When he’s healthy

 

[Zososoxfan]

Tomiyasu off injured, Cedric to replace. That's a SIGNIFICANT downgrade. Cedric should feel free to give away another pen today

 

[Zososoxfan]

OG and Newcastle is up 1-0!

 

[coremiller]

Howay the lads!

 

[Zososoxfan]

Wilson just misses high on a tough one timer off of a terrific cross out of nothing from Guimaraes (sp.??)

 

[Zososoxfan]

Now Martinelli down for Arsenal (N.B. he came on as a sub)

 

[Zososoxfan]

Holy shit, now Laca bleeding out of the back of his head. Very on brand for football and life in general in Northern England

 

[Zososoxfan]

Ramsdale has been very good, but he's had a couple of crosses go through his hands and both have led to very dangerous situations. Now Targett coming up lame for Newcastle

 

[Zososoxfan]

A very simple team move by Newcastle beats all of Arsenal and a block by Gabriel pushes a Wilson shot just wide

 

[shawnrbu]

I can’t believe Arsenal bottled it.

 

[Zososoxfan]

Pepe on for Gabriel. Arsenal going for it big

 

[Zososoxfan]

Newcastle taking off both wingers for presumably more defensive replacements. Don't love it. Losing all threat going forward for the final 15 seems early.

 

[Zososoxfan]

That fast break was not textbook

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

That fast break was not textbook

First pass was too early … second was too late

 

[Zososoxfan]

Wilson just missed with that chip from 45m!

 

[Zososoxfan]

What a sequence of defense (!) there by Guimaraes!!

 

[Zososoxfan]

The man can do it all!!!!!

 

[Joe D Reid]

Bruno is legit. Although Dan Burn was somehow the most impactful of the guys they bought in January, because Bruno didn't get onto the field for a month or so.

 

[DJnVa]

Of note, this Arsenal season is being featured on the Amazon series All or Nothing.

 

[OCST]

Newcastle is a tough out at home. I expect them to challenge for a European spot and I don’t even think it will an influx of fancy oil-money signings. They’re just tough all throughout the side.

 

[Zososoxfan]

All I kept thinking during the match yesterday was how even if the Newcastle players weren't as skillful (Guimaraes excepted), they could at least all run thru a brick wall and smash a header 30 yards upfield. Things are just different in da norf

 

[teddykgb]

Hopefully the Soton players are excited for their tryout for the big club today

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Liverpool XI: Alisson; Gomez, Matip, Konate, Tsimikas; Milner, Elliott, Jones; Minamino, Firmino, Jota.

Subs: Kelleher, Thiago, Keita, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Diaz, Robertson, Origi, Williams.

 

[singaporesoxfan]

Bruno didn't get onto the field for a month or so.

We don't talk about that

 

[OCST]

Hopefully the Soton players are excited for their tryout for the big club today

Liverpool : Southampton :: NY Yankees : Kansas City A's

 

[OCST]

All I kept thinking during the match yesterday was how even if the Newcastle players weren't as skillful (Guimaraes excepted), they could at least all run thru a brick wall and smash a header 30 yards upfield. Things are just different in da norf

Yes - one of Lampard's first games in charge of Everton was at St. James'. 3-1 and it wasn't that close - the Everton goal was an OG by Lascelles. Trippier, Saint-Maximin, Joelinton, even Shelvey, were battering us all over the park and they were really enjoying themselves. That's going to be a very tough place to go if you need points, as Arsenal found out.