Maye-day Every Day
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Footwork is key. Some was pass rush induced some was just on him. Ball goes where you point your toe.
There it is. He just off the cuff talked about how no one in his family is going to want to talk about how it was special he started, they’re all going to want to talk about how they lost. Seemed like a genuine comment, not something a PR firm prepped him on.
I don’t think QB is going to be a problem moving forward for this team. The kid has it.
Now let’s fill the other numerous holes on the team.
I don’t think QB is going to be a problem moving forward for this team. The kid has it.
Now let’s fill the other numerous holes on the team.
Yeah it should come as no surprise that the last Pats QB to rush for 38+ yards was Cam Newton. Adjusting for the opponent (Texans had allowed the 3rd fewest passing yards per game entering today), it's hard to be disappointed.
Apparently Maye told his teammates that they should expect some jitters and then he'll settle down. You sail throws when you're nervous and that was what he did early.
This thread was expecting 13/23 150 yards type of lines. Maye is a dude. He's going for 300+ in London.
This thread was expecting 13/23 150 yards type of lines. Maye is a dude. He's going for 300+ in London.
That Boutte touchdown was the most excited I have been watching a Patriots game in years. I am really excited to see what this kid can do next week to that shit Jacksonville defense.
He was really good today all things considered, especially considering the Texans D. Color me excited.
The thing I take from those 4 QBs is that every other one of them has much more to work with than drake maye.
Daniels and Nix are in good situations as far as coaching goes (Kingsbury as OC and Payton). I think that, more than surrounding talent, is key.
Trying to ignore the rest of the game today and would love to read detailed breakdowns of Maye's performance today.
Will try to post the links I find in here.
Edit:
Bourne was a fan.
Will try to post the links I find in here.
Edit:
Bourne was a fan.
https://africa.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41778914/rookie-qb-drake-maye-impresses-first-career-start-patriots-loss
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I think he'll improve against some lesser talent these next few weeks, as the game slows down for him a little he'll make fewer mistakes and know which chances he can take. The TD tosses to Douglas and Boutte were awesome. Lots to like. Hopefully they come out the next game and also don't step on their own dicks. Keep it competitive and see what the kid can do.
Our of curiosity, does anyone think he was ruined by starting today? Was his progress slowed? There were a lot of people concerned about letting him play at all this year, especially against a very good defense. Were opinions changed by his performance or do a lot of people still want him on the bench?
Well he did get up really slowly after one hit so his season seemed like it could have been ruined.
Pats YouTube channel has a Maye highlight reel for fans like myself unable to watch the game.
View: https://youtu.be/Vso7pNyLhn4?si=tLI8P6kgzq9EPZxL
There's some real good football in here, and some mistakes. Get him a pocket that holds and he can show us some things
View: https://youtu.be/Vso7pNyLhn4?si=tLI8P6kgzq9EPZxL
There's some real good football in here, and some mistakes. Get him a pocket that holds and he can show us some things
Today got me extremely excited about the kid. He wasn’t perfect, but he flashed so much talent. Something that gets me really excited is that Pop and Boutte look like ENTIRELY different players with Maye than with last year’s detritus or Brissett. I’m now extremely optimistic that the Pats have potentially found a franchise QB, and also that we might actually have some playmakers in the receiving corp.
I am taking nothing away for this throw because it was incredible but that was insanely dumb coverage from Houston. Playing aggressive with the coverage and to only have 1 safety over the top with 16 second left. Fairly stupid.
Observations from watching that segment:
1.) The OL is probably worst in the NFL bad. And there is a long way to go to even sniff being 31st in the league. Houston is a tough test, but if Maye has to face that every week he's not going to last the season.
2.) Still say this is a bottom 5 unit in terms of WR talent. But a game breaking WR is not going to break very many defenses given that line.
3.) Only saw maybe 2 or 3 bad throws: the very first one, the first INT, another one where he seemed to be way off target. There was one where he probably should have been picked off, but the refs missed an obvious DPI or hold on the same play, and it fell incomplete. Two deflections, so maybe something for him to work on, but that seems coachable.
4.) Hearing Myles Bryant name get called brought back memories.
Wrt the bolded, if it was the pass over the middle to Henry, it was tipped at the line which is why it was off target and why no pi was called
I wonder if he can get anything out of Thornton? Doubtful, I know. But he throws a nice deep ball. There has to be some way to utilize that speed.
Watching that video, Maye was great. The Polk drops were pathetic, every drop hit him in the hands.
I was hoping for that today, was a bit disappointed to see him inactive. Our receiving corp has been decried as one of the worst in the league, and that may be true, but guys like Douglas, Boutte, and Thornton have never caught a pass from a real qb until today. It wouldnt shock me at all to see multiple we thought were total busts to break out a bit
Maybe not completely bad, but he had several off target throws in the short game. A few that the WRs salvaged for completions.
That doesn’t worry me, he should be able to fix that up. But he was inaccurate more than we’ll want to see going forward.
Baller is exactly right.
Dude's got grit. Not afraid to take a hit in the pocket or rushing for the extra yard. Not afraid to make the tackle after a pick. Throws dimes into tight coverage. And given the final score, not satisfied with any of it.
It's all so familiar.
Lazar had him with 7 plus plays and 5 minus. Seems about right. The Boutte and Douglas TD's were high end offensive plays. Flashes like this mean far more to me than the negatives for a young player in his first start. He'll get better.
There were times when he sprayed throws, leading to negative or missed plays, especially on his first-quarter interception on a pass intended for Pop Douglas. The ball also could've come out a beat earlier on a third-quarter strip sack. We'll watch the film to get a definitive answer, but it felt like accuracy was more to blame for his minus plays than bad reads.
Returning to the positives, the most encouraging thing about Maye's performance was how he grew within the game. After missing Douglas high on a crosser that led to his first interception, the Pats came back to it later in the game. This time, Maye hit Douglas in stride for a 35-yard touchdown. Rookie QBs need a short memory, and Maye seems to have that.
https://www.patriots.com/news/game-observations-eight-takeaways-as-the-maye-era-begins-with-a-loss-to-the-texans-in-week-6
There were times when he sprayed throws, leading to negative or missed plays, especially on his first-quarter interception on a pass intended for Pop Douglas. The ball also could've come out a beat earlier on a third-quarter strip sack. We'll watch the film to get a definitive answer, but it felt like accuracy was more to blame for his minus plays than bad reads.
Returning to the positives, the most encouraging thing about Maye's performance was how he grew within the game. After missing Douglas high on a crosser that led to his first interception, the Pats came back to it later in the game. This time, Maye hit Douglas in stride for a 35-yard touchdown. Rookie QBs need a short memory, and Maye seems to have that.
https://www.patriots.com/news/game-observations-eight-takeaways-as-the-maye-era-begins-with-a-loss-to-the-texans-in-week-6
Early returns are promising and he showed some of the attributes that people liked about his game. It will be interesting to see what sort of leash he is given going forward.
He's a rookie so he is likely to be up and down but today he showed he belongs in the league. He clearly has a lot to prove but if this is game one of a very distinguished career including rings, I wouldn't be shocked. And I know full well that he is more likely to see a career as a backup or stop gap guy or even selling cars.
He's a rookie so he is likely to be up and down but today he showed he belongs in the league. He clearly has a lot to prove but if this is game one of a very distinguished career including rings, I wouldn't be shocked. And I know full well that he is more likely to see a career as a backup or stop gap guy or even selling cars.
I guess at the very least we can agree the whole "the kid will literally die if you get him out on the field too soon with these stiffs, especially against Houston" stuff was probably a bit overstated.
To be fair, he did get pummeled quite a bit, and was fortunate not to get seriously injured when he got taken down with his arm in that awkward position mid throw. That’s recipe for broken ribs or a collarbone.
The three most impressive plays I saw from Maye were:
His second throw of the game. Evaded pressure and made an off platform on the move looks absolutely effortless. That’s nice.
The bomb to Boutte. Saw single coverage and took his shot. Dropped it in the bread basket. Gorgeous. They run the ball and kick a FG if Jacoby is in the game
4th and 5 in the 4th quarter with 2 mins left, he stepped up in the pocket, shook a guy in the open field and dove for the first. He has some dawg in him.
Some inaccurate passes, which was something he was getting dinged on coming out of UNC. Didn’t seem rattled and didn’t seem to get happy feet in the pocket despite facing a lot of pressure.
Surprised there was no read option or RPOs in the offense at all. Or really any effort to weaponize his mobility by design. Rollouts or bootlegs. Hopefully those get added in as they tailor the offense to Maye. Also, Pats skill players, make a damn play for your QB, JFC.
I mean he obviously looked ready. I don't think it necessarily follows from that that he was ready in Week 1 or whatever. He didn't hit throws like the Boutte TD in the preseason.
What is frustrating, beyond the personnel issues on the offensive line, is the injuries.
Vederian Lowe has been their best LT, for whatever that is worth, but he has missed 2 games completely because of injury and he had to leave 2 other games because of injury.
Michael Jordan has been their best LG, but he has had to leave 2 games with injuries and missed another game completely.
David Andrews was their best C, but he was injured early in game 4 and has been out since.
Sidy Sow had a decent rookie year last year at G, but got hurt at the end of camp and looked rough in his first game back.
Their best OL, Onwenu, came in out of shape and played the first four games at T before shifting to his more natual position of G.
OL who have played for the Pats this year with percentage of offensive snaps - only Onwenu has played every snap:
Onwenu, 375
Jordan, 282 (missed 1 game and parts of 2 others with injury)
Robinson, 249
Jacobs, 204 (end of preseason waiver claim)
Andrews, 194 (injured and out for year early in game 4)
Lowe, 189 (missed 2 games and parts of 2 others with injury)
Leverett, 117
Thomas, 82 (end of preseason waiver claim)
Sow, 72 (injured at the end of preseason and didn't look ready in his first game back)
Wallace, 70 (injured in his one start and on IR; at least 1/4 of these snaps are as an extra TE)
Brown, 66 (waiver claim off of someone's practice squad midweek and straight into the lineup)
Okorofor, 12 (basically quit after 12 snaps of suck)
I think it is hard to say, given the line/QB issues. Douglas, at least, is a good player.
Our new LT, Zach Thomas, listed at G after we claimed him on waivers, was supposed to cut the guy who made the leaping deflection on the second pick, but he whiffed. So I would not fault Maye for that one.
He got hit, but not excessively and got back up and made throws in the face of the rush. He didn't get jittery or scared, he wasn't throwing the ball while flinching, he dealt with the rush because that's a reality of playing the position at this level. He was fine. Guys like these don't get scarred for life that easily.
Sure, but plays that exercise mobility, or a line that properly guards a pocket for 3 seconds, will reduce the frequency and severity of those hits. Maye had neither of these yesterday. That will likely be one of the toughest front 7s he faces all year though, so thrown into the fire, he came out merely singed.
I was responding to the comment that Maye should have been seriously injured on a hit.
Like, it was a normal NFL hit. QBs get hit all the time. A small amount of those hits result in injury.
I think for a first NFL game behind that line, Maye was generally pretty good. Some things he has to work on, some of which hopefully come with experience and time:
- His feet are all over the place right now. Probably the reason for the airmailed INT, and the inaccuracy on a number of throws (even some completions like to Pop over the middle).
- Ball security in the pocket is a problem. Not just on the strip sack, but there were a number of times in the 1st half where he got halfway into his windup, changed his mind, but still had the ball out there.
- Learn how to slide when you pick up positive yards running the football.
Maye's next eight opponents:
vs Jax (London)
vs NYJ
at Ten
at Chi
vs LAR
at Mia
vs Ind
at Ari
I think he has a real opportunity to do very well in these eight games. It's not exactly a murderer's row.
vs Jax (London)
vs NYJ
at Ten
at Chi
vs LAR
at Mia
vs Ind
at Ari
I think he has a real opportunity to do very well in these eight games. It's not exactly a murderer's row.
The schedule isn’t brutal after all — the Jaguars, Rams, and Dolphins are all much worse than expected. The Pats are a bad team, but if they continue to play the way they have, they’ll win a few games.
https://www.tankathon.com/nfl
If you rank the teams by record, worst to beat, you’ve got:
#3, 13, 6, 18, 5, 12, 19, 9
about the only bad teams missing in their schedule are the Browns and Panthers
Opposing defenses next eight games:
vs Jax (London) - #32 pass yards allowed, #29 pass comp % allowed, #30 pass rating allowed
vs NYJ - #1 pass yards allowed, #2 pass comp % allowed, #3 pass rating allowed
at Ten - #2 pass yards allowed, #4 pass comp % allowed, #11 pass rating allowed
at Chi - #6 pass yards allowed, #9 pass comp % allowed, #2 pass rating allowed
vs LAR - #18 pass yards allowed, #25 pass comp % allowed, #32 pass rating allowed
at Mia - #3 pass yards allowed, #10 pass comp % allowed, #7 pass rating allowed
vs Ind - #26 pass yards allowed, #28 pass comp % allowed, #25 pass rating allowed
at Ari - #22 pass yards allowed, #31 pass comp % allowed, #28 pass rating allowed
So some good pass defenses but also some pretty bad pass defenses in there.
vs Jax (London) - #32 pass yards allowed, #29 pass comp % allowed, #30 pass rating allowed
vs NYJ - #1 pass yards allowed, #2 pass comp % allowed, #3 pass rating allowed
at Ten - #2 pass yards allowed, #4 pass comp % allowed, #11 pass rating allowed
at Chi - #6 pass yards allowed, #9 pass comp % allowed, #2 pass rating allowed
vs LAR - #18 pass yards allowed, #25 pass comp % allowed, #32 pass rating allowed
at Mia - #3 pass yards allowed, #10 pass comp % allowed, #7 pass rating allowed
vs Ind - #26 pass yards allowed, #28 pass comp % allowed, #25 pass rating allowed
at Ari - #22 pass yards allowed, #31 pass comp % allowed, #28 pass rating allowed
So some good pass defenses but also some pretty bad pass defenses in there.
Jets, Tennessee, and Chicago is a gauntlet. But it will be a good test, because the Jets and Titans don't have an offense. The games should be interesting.
Eh, Jets offense just did what it wanted against this team a couple of weeks ago. I'm not anticipating a struggle for them this time around.
The way the Pats' defense looked yesterday, I'm not sure any offense will struggle to score against NE.
I suspect there will be a lot of 34-20 games (losses) in NE's future.
It will be interesting to see what kind of work he puts in on the mechanical issues. Brady was fanatical about his mechnics, Mac Jones started out subpar and regressed.
Sure QBs get hit all the time. That one specifically featured the RT getting the pants beat off of him instantly and the QB getting hit and driven to the ground in a very awkward fashion and lying on the turf afterwards.
No QB makes it to the NFL without some daring and toughness, but plenty of QBs get hit enough and eventually become gun shy.
Not saying that is going to happen here, but the hits pile up mentally and physically. Sometimes you get Josh Allen and sometimes you get David Carr.
A little breakdown of Maye yesterday.
First 5 possessions (almost a full half of football): 5-10 (50.0%), 36 yards, 3.6 y/a, 2 scrambles for 15 yards, 2 sacks for -12 yards, 1 INT, and one Inc that got nullified by an offensive penalty, 0 points scored
Last 9 possessions (just over a full half of football): 15-23 (65.2%), 207 yards, 9.0 y/a, 3 scrambles for 23 yards, 2 sacks for -22 yards, 1 int, 1 fumble, 3 TD, 21 points scored - would have scored more points if the Pats "tried" on their last possession
That's pretty significant improvement from one half of football to the next. And it wasn't true "garbage" time. Not that Houston was ever in trouble, but the Pats were hanging around. It was garbage time on their last possession, but on that drive he was 2-6 for 10 yards. So it wasn't like his stats were pumped up by garbage time play.
And the two turnovers during this "second half" included that ridiculous tipped interception and the strip sack when Maye had no chance.
Long story short...once he settled into the game, he was pretty damned good.
First 5 possessions (almost a full half of football): 5-10 (50.0%), 36 yards, 3.6 y/a, 2 scrambles for 15 yards, 2 sacks for -12 yards, 1 INT, and one Inc that got nullified by an offensive penalty, 0 points scored
Last 9 possessions (just over a full half of football): 15-23 (65.2%), 207 yards, 9.0 y/a, 3 scrambles for 23 yards, 2 sacks for -22 yards, 1 int, 1 fumble, 3 TD, 21 points scored - would have scored more points if the Pats "tried" on their last possession
That's pretty significant improvement from one half of football to the next. And it wasn't true "garbage" time. Not that Houston was ever in trouble, but the Pats were hanging around. It was garbage time on their last possession, but on that drive he was 2-6 for 10 yards. So it wasn't like his stats were pumped up by garbage time play.
And the two turnovers during this "second half" included that ridiculous tipped interception and the strip sack when Maye had no chance.
Long story short...once he settled into the game, he was pretty damned good.
Hadn't seen this posted here yet, but you can see they were working the right side heavily with the only looks left being at or behind the LOS aside from a couple. These are the things that will have to change as defenses start to hone in on what they're trying to do with Maye. Can he work the intermediate areas, and can he turn left?
He was far less successful throwing left but I read that chart as 9 balls to the left and 14 to the right, which isn't really that unbalanced. A good number of those balls to the right side were due to his propensity to scramble right and then throw in that area as well. I would not be surprised if throws from the pocket were pretty evenly distributed across the left, center, and right.
Hadn't seen this posted here yet, but you can see they were working the right side heavily with the only looks left being at or behind the LOS aside from a couple. These are the things that will have to change as defenses start to hone in on what they're trying to do with Maye. Can he work the intermediate areas, and can he turn left?