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Salva135

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If BB likes Mayo enough to keep him then he needs to be rewarded with the DC title. If Mayo wants to move up in this league I would not accept BB's flighty handling of his assistants. If I had to wager a guess I'd say they get poached more often than prepped for success in this league.
 

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If BB likes Mayo enough to keep him then he needs to be rewarded with the DC title. If Mayo wants to move up in this league I would not accept BB's flighty handling of his assistants. If I had to wager a guess I'd say they get poached more often than prepped for success in this league.
Mayo seems to be the best person to determine what he needs title and responsibility-wise to stay with New England. If they reach a deal, presumably he got comfortable with the role.

In other words, its possible that Mayo is happy to stay in NE without any of these conditions you are citing.
 

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I think he has three kids. It seems highly likely he is getting a significant raise. Given that, not wanting to pick up and move the family makes a ton of sense to me.
 

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I think he has three kids. It seems highly likely he is getting a significant raise. Given that, not wanting to pick up and move the family makes a ton of sense to me.
In addition, he's got a younger brother on the coaching staff with him too.
 

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Got to be title involved. Mayo still has to answer ‘so what do you do?’ In interviews and media, which limits his career. I think that’s a BB ‘feature’ to limit mobility but he may have to cough up an official job here.
If it's a limiting mobility strategy it sure sucks considering Bill has probably lost more staff to other jobs than anyone short of maybe McVay. I think it's as simple as he thinks it's a dumb title, and he doesn't want to have to go through a formal interview process before giving responsibility to the guys he has on staff.
 

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You think BB tries to limit mobility of his coaches? His long history of success and the related coaching turnover strongly suggests otherwise.
If it's a limiting mobility strategy it sure sucks considering Bill has probably lost more staff to other jobs than anyone short of maybe McVay. I think it's as simple as he thinks it's a dumb title, and he doesn't want to have to go through a formal interview process before giving responsibility to the guys he has on staff.
I concede he’s just an opaque guy, but I do think it’s part of the reason, yes. I also think it’s developed in part in response to getting repeatedly raided, so the failure of the policy doesn’t weight too heavily for me here.

BB does not think titles are dumb and if anything knows the power of titles as weapons from his brief tenure as HC of the NYJ. He essentially only gave Mangini the DC title to keep him from the job he wanted with Crennel, for example.

I’m not sanctimonious about it, Bill gonna Bill, and it’s also part of why we don’t know what Steve or Mayo or Matt or anyone else actually does. Yes I think the opacity could help limit Mayo and perhaps others attractiveness by design. Then again, he was seemingly more than happy for Judge to run the Giants, so as ever what the hell do I know.
 

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I concede he’s just an opaque guy, but I do think it’s part of the reason, yes. I also think it’s developed in part in response to getting repeatedly raided, so the failure of the policy doesn’t weight too heavily for me here.

BB does not think titles are dumb and if anything knows the power of titles as weapons from his brief tenure as HC of the NYJ. He essentially only gave Mangini the DC title to keep him from the job he wanted with Crennel, for example.

I’m not sanctimonious about it, Bill gonna Bill, and it’s also part of why we don’t know what Steve or Mayo or Matt or anyone else actually does. Yes I think the opacity could help limit Mayo and perhaps others attractiveness by design. Then again, he was seemingly more than happy for Judge to run the Giants, so as ever what the hell do I know.
See, I think Mayo has gotten job interviews in the past 2 years in part because he's not the LB coach under Steve's DC. If you're opaque about who does what but credit everyone which is what Bill does and you involve guys in a lot of things which he also does, it makes them MORE attractive for HC or coordinator spots. Sure in the past (Mangini is 17 years ago) he might have given guys titles to keep them, and maybe he still will, but I don't really see any indication from recent past seasons that not naming coordinators is about preventing guys from leaving, especially since it makes it EASIER for guys to leave. If he named Mayo a DC last year for example... he can block him from any interview but HC, same with a bunch of other past guys. He chose not to, which really gives them more mobility not less.
 

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I concede he’s just an opaque guy, but I do think it’s part of the reason, yes. I also think it’s developed in part in response to getting repeatedly raided, so the failure of the policy doesn’t weight too heavily for me here.

BB does not think titles are dumb and if anything knows the power of titles as weapons from his brief tenure as HC of the NYJ. He essentially only gave Mangini the DC title to keep him from the job he wanted with Crennel, for example.

I’m not sanctimonious about it, Bill gonna Bill, and it’s also part of why we don’t know what Steve or Mayo or Matt or anyone else actually does. Yes I think the opacity could help limit Mayo and perhaps others attractiveness by design. Then again, he was seemingly more than happy for Judge to run the Giants, so as ever what the hell do I know.
Mangini could have still went to Cleveland, but decided to stay with the Pats once he got the title. Because he interviewed w/ the Browns before he got the title, he still could have jumped.

Belichick also gave Brian Daboll a strong endorsement to go with the Giants. Brian Flores landed the Dolphins HC job despite not having officially been given the official DC title.

Anyway, Mayo is not dumb. If he took the job that the Pats offered, I'm sure he did so with full knowledge of the ins and outs of whatever responsibilities and titles he would be given. He willingly declined to pursue at least one head coaching opportunity, so he's obviously satisfied with the outcome.
 

Salva135

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Titles are important in this league when it comes to interviewing and exposure, plain and simple. Anytime I think about these strange circumstances, I ask, why does BB do this kind of stuff? What other team in the league lacks an OC and a DC? Why does BB play fast and loose with titles in his org chart? What's his advantage over 31 teams who do things more traditionally?
 

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Titles are important in this league when it comes to interviewing and exposure, plain and simple. Anytime I think about these strange circumstances, I ask, why does BB do this kind of stuff? What other team in the league lacks an OC and a DC? Why does BB play fast and loose with titles in his org chart? What's his advantage over 31 teams who do things more traditionally?
And then you jump to the conclusion that you want it to be despite it not making much logical sense and not fitting the facts in evidence
 

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Titles are important in this league when it comes to interviewing and exposure, plain and simple. Anytime I think about these strange circumstances, I ask, why does BB do this kind of stuff? What other team in the league lacks an OC and a DC? Why does BB play fast and loose with titles in his org chart? What's his advantage over 31 teams who do things more traditionally?
Because it works?

Flores and Judge both got HC gigs without ever having a coordinator title with the Pats. Almost every coordinator BB has ever named has gotten an HC job, Mangini, Josh, Romeo, Patricia, O'Brien, etc. with the possible exception of Dean Pees, but his lack of a shot may have been more of an age/desire thing.

I mean, he's taken both avenues, and had success with whatever he's doing. Whatever he's doing, hard to argue with the results.
 

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And yet despite all that they were 2 quarters from a winning record and playoffs. Kind of surreal.

Even with a dysfunctional team, he can still win in the league.
Win what? It's certainly not playoff games. I know that sounds Felger-y but this season shouldn't be celebrated and this is not in any way, shape or form a credit to BB's coaching prowess. This entire concept is contradictory because that dysfunction is entirely BB's doing.
 
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Titles are important in this league when it comes to interviewing and exposure, plain and simple. Anytime I think about these strange circumstances, I ask, why does BB do this kind of stuff? What other team in the league lacks an OC and a DC? Why does BB play fast and loose with titles in his org chart? What's his advantage over 31 teams who do things more traditionally?


Win what? It's certainly not playoff games. I know that sounds Felger-y but this season shouldn't be celebrated and this is not in any way, shape or form a credit to BB's coaching prowess. This entire concept is contradictory because that dysfunction is entirely BB's doing.
This sounds like a critique of a guy who just started coaching in 2020.
 

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If I remember correctly, someone leaked the news that JMcD received 5 million a year from RB, which kept him firmly grounded in NE for four years until the Raiders came knocking. These things happen.
 

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This was last week, but I didn't see it here...

Interesting. UIltimately the only thing that matters is if Mayo feels the Pats have adequately valued his contributions. Whether that's via pay, title, career path - or some combo of those - it doesn't really matter as long as Mayo is happy.
 

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Really nice article on Jerod Mayo in the Athletic: He’s Bill Belichick 2.0’: Could Jerod Mayo become the next Patriots coach?
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“They definitely know they have something here and don’t want to let him go,” Rob Ninkovich, a former teammate, said of Patriots ownership.

What they have is a man capable of leading a locker room of professional athletes and discussing investments with hedge-fund executives. Someone who hangs out with Harvard business professors, ballet composers and “Jeopardy!” winners in his free time. Someone who only five years ago was working with the board of a major healthcare company and still theorizes about how blockchain technology could solve the healthcare backlog.

But he’s also so good at the X’s and O’s of football that he has become one of Belichick’s most trusted assistants. A fierce former linebacker who was named the league’s Defensive Rookie of the Year in 2008 and an All-Pro two years later, with a Super Bowl ring from his playing days and a rapid ascension up the coaching ladder.

“Some people, I don’t know what it is, have that it factor. And he’s got it,” said Brandon Spikes, a former teammate. “He makes everyone around him better. He’s a perfect human being. If I had a son, I’d want him to be just like Jerod Mayo.”