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@ZachAbolverdi: .@FootballScoop reports former #Broncos coach and current #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels is being "vetted" by #Gators AD Jeremy Foley.
https://twitter.com/zachabolverdi/status/539436140538114050


I'd be shocked if he went to college. Seems like a step back from what his potential is in the NFL unless he's going the Bill Obrian path.

In a year or two I think he'd be back inline for a pro job if he does well, which they are, and shows some maturity.

Then again Florida, will pay him a truck load.
 

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Florida is also one of those college football schools that has an inflated sense of their own worth.  They may see McDaniels as a candidate for their job much much much more then McDaniels sees himself as a candidate for their job.  
 

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I am not sure being an SEC HC is that much of a step down from being an NFL coach.  It certainly is a massive step up from being NFL Coordinator.
 
He will probably make more at Florida than he would getting another NFL team. The average NFL coach makes $4.86 million while the average SEC coach makes $3.64 million (not counting Vandy who does not make the head coaching Salary public).  That said McDaniel's is far more likely to be on the high end of SEC having NFL coaching experience while he would probably be on the low end if he got another NFL job.  Probably makes about 4 million a year as Florida HC while the Raiders would only pay about 3 million.
 

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Florida is also one of those college football schools that has an inflated sense of their own worth.  They may see McDaniels as a candidate for their job much much much more then McDaniels sees himself as a candidate for their job.  
Not sure I agree with this. They've had a few bumps in the road, but have easily been among the most successful college teams over the past 25 years. They're in the premiere conference in college football, and in prime recruiting territory. As pointed out above, McD has to like his chances of succeeding at Florida a lot better than with a bottom-rung NFL team. It's a pretty nice job.
 

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College coaches are making huge money. Bo Pelini was making around ~$3 million, he is still owed $7.9 million. Charlie Weis was making $2.5 million at Kansas and is still owed $7 million. Even if you suck, you can make a ton of money at a lame school. You have to believe the Florida SEC job merits at least $4 million a year. It's better than making coordinator money with the Pats.
 

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Not sure I agree with this. They've had a few bumps in the road, but have easily been among the most successful college teams over the past 25 years. They're in the premiere conference in college football, and in prime recruiting territory. As pointed out above, McD has to like his chances of succeeding at Florida a lot better than with a bottom-rung NFL team. It's a pretty nice job.
 
I don't know if I made my point well.  What I was saying is that it wouldn't surprise me if a school like Florida just assumed that McDaniels would want to make the jump to college football without first speaking to McDaniels or his people because Florida and the SEC.  Who knows what McDaniels wants, he might want nothing to do with coaching college athletes and all that is involved with recruiting, etc...  But a school like Florida has enough hubris to assume that anyone would be stupid to not want to coach there (which based on the $s being thrown around in this thread may be true for a lot of people).  
 

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Vanderbilt has to report the highest salaries for its officers and employees on its annual federal tax return (Form 990).  In FY 2013 (7/12-6/13), it paid James Franklin, then the football coach, $2.713 million in base salary and $2.917 million in total compensation.  (He was the highest-paid individual at Vanderbilt that year; numbers two and three--the order depends on whether you look at base salary or total compensation--were the men's and women's basketball coaches.)  Full tax return (salaries are on page 267) is at http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2013/620/476/2013-620476822-0a6cd925-9.pdf (requires free registration).
 

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I am not sure being an SEC HC is that much of a step down from being an NFL coach.  It certainly is a massive step up from being NFL Coordinator.
 
He will probably make more at Florida than he would getting another NFL team. The average NFL coach makes $4.86 million while the average SEC coach makes $3.64 million (not counting Vandy who does not make the head coaching Salary public).  That said McDaniel's is far more likely to be on the high end of SEC having NFL coaching experience while he would probably be on the low end if he got another NFL job.  Probably makes about 4 million a year as Florida HC while the Raiders would only pay about 3 million.
 
I'd imagine a whole lot depends on whether he wants to jump into the whole recruiting world and everything that entails.
 

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Without knowing much about it, being a big-time college HC seems like the best job in football. Huge salary, fewer games, a few cream puffs on the schedule, etc.

Not sure if McDaniels has any interest, though.
There is a ton more to the job in terms of recruiting, dealing with boosters, etc. Some guys love that side of the job but I'm not sure that would be the case with McDaniels.

As long as he stays with team as OC (and keeps his focus on the team) through the playoffs, I don't really care. I think McDaniels is a decent OC who gets too much flack at times but I don't see him as a critical piece of the organization. For a while now I've suspected that Matty P. might be the true heir apparent (if there is an internal heir at all) and I'm pretty comfortable with that situation.
 

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dynomite said:
Without knowing much about it, being a big-time college HC seems like the best job in football. Huge salary, fewer games, a few cream puffs on the schedule, etc.

Not sure if McDaniels has any interest, though.
And you know, too, that 9 and 3 to 10 and 2 every year in FL is not going to cut it?

Realistic or not, even in the hyper-competitive shark tank of its conference, with the Sabans, Miles and so forth, not regularly being among the final four will be deemed unacceptable -- until perceptions there change, which will take a long time (Urban Meyer was not that long ago). They'll just eat your healthy salary and cut your ass.

Now there are two ways of looking at this. One is, go ahead and fire me and owe me $15 MM or so. Just don't think you're jumping from that "failure" to a head coaching gig in the NFL, which is what I suspect Josh wants.
 

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Another factor for McDaniels has to be the situation in Atlanta. I don't know if Mike Smith's job is truly in jeopardy but if he gets the axe than McDaniels seems likely to be one of the top candidates given his longtime connection with Dimitroff. That's an attractive job too with the QB situation settled and the division so crappy (and only getting crappier as Brees ages/retires).
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Another factor for McDaniels has to be the situation in Atlanta. I don't know if Mike Smith's job is truly in jeopardy but if he gets the axe than McDaniels seems likely to be one of the top candidates given his longtime connection with Dimitroff. That's an attractive job too with the QB situation settled and the division so crappy (and only getting crappier as Brees ages/retires).
Excellent point. And with Dimitroff there, there is a governor on Josh thinking he's the smartest guy this side of the nearest black hole. I do not believe his next pro gig, if there is one, would come with last say personnel control. Nor should it.
 

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The Charlie Weis plan is outstanding from a dollars standpoint.
 
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dynomite said:
Without knowing much about it, being a big-time college HC seems like the best job in football. Huge salary, fewer games, a few cream puffs on the schedule, etc.

Not sure if McDaniels has any interest, though.
You're missing the #2 and #2a reasons.
 
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The most egregious thing on this map is obviously law school dean (hey Maine).
Best part of the map is CT. And I am saying that as a huge detractor of everything about the history of that athletic department, save Sue.
 

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The Charlie Weis plan is outstanding from a dollars standpoint.
 
No shit. He's getting paid $4.6 million a year between Notre Dame and Kansas not to coach in 2014 and 2015. Seems like a great deal to me.
 

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No shit. He's getting paid $4.6 million a year between Notre Dame and Kansas not to coach in 2014 and 2015. Seems like a great deal to me.
 
 
I'm available at 3.0 MM if they're looking for another jamoke to put out on the street.
 

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dynomite said:
Without knowing much about it, being a big-time college HC seems like the best job in football. Huge salary, fewer games, a few cream puffs on the schedule, etc.

Not sure if McDaniels has any interest, though.
 
Being a big college football fan, to me it seems horrible.
 
Not only do you have to log the same amount of utterly insane hours as an NFL coach, but you get the added joy of having to kiss the ass of dozens of high school kids, and their parents, coaches, and other assorted hangers on.
 
Plus there is the pleasure of dealing with overzealous boosters, who think donating a few grand to dear ol' state U makes them qualified to be offensive coordinator.
 
Oh, annnnd, you get to babysit a hundred or so 18-22 year old guys.  Each of whom could make your life hell from doing anything from skipping class to rampaging through town during a drunken Saturday night.
 
Honestly, I don't know why anyone sane would want to be a big time college football head coach.
 
And I don't think too many of them are totally right in the head.
 

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All a part of the master plan. McDaniels goes to Florida for three years. He brings with him Tebow as his recruiting coordinator/assistant head coach. Brian Daboll becomes the new Pats OC, Belichick retires after 2018, McDaniels returns having won a National Championship, Tebow becomes HC of the FG. 
 
It's perfect.
 

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Interesting responses. You could definitely be right. But I still think for quality of life purposes it's probably better than being an NFL coach or coordinator, at least on paper.

In part I think the job security in the NFL is just so low. For example, by my count since the conclusion of the 2012 season 15 NFL teams have changed head coaches. And if you don't win the Super Bowl, you're sort of a failure.

In college, however, lots of coaches have longevity without necessarily being the top team in the nation. The internet says that Greg Schiano was earning $2.3 M to be the Rutgers head coach, leading the Scarlet Knights to a 68-67 record over 11 seasons and was considered a success, right?

Maybe I'm wrong. Is there as much turnover at the top levels of college as there is in the NFL?
 

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dynomite said:
Interesting responses. You could definitely be right. But I still think for quality of life purposes it's probably better than being an NFL coach or coordinator, at least on paper.

In part I think the job security in the NFL is just so low. For example, by my count since the conclusion of the 2012 season 15 NFL teams have changed head coaches. And if you don't win the Super Bowl, you're sort of a failure.

In college, however, lots of coaches have longevity without necessarily being the top team in the nation. The internet says that Greg Schiano was earning $2.3 M to be the Rutgers head coach, leading the Scarlet Knights to a 68-67 record over 11 seasons and was considered a success, right?

Maybe I'm wrong. Is there as much turnover at the top levels of college as there is in the NFL?
 
No, NFL has a much higher turnover.
 

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I don't know if I made my point well.  What I was saying is that it wouldn't surprise me if a school like Florida just assumed that McDaniels would want to make the jump to college football without first speaking to McDaniels or his people because Florida and the SEC.  Who knows what McDaniels wants, he might want nothing to do with coaching college athletes and all that is involved with recruiting, etc...  But a school like Florida has enough hubris to assume that anyone would be stupid to not want to coach there (which based on the $s being thrown around in this thread may be true for a lot of people).  
I did misunderstand your point, and I think you're right:

https://twitter.com/sinow/status/539525587183095808

https://twitter.com/sinow/status/539525587183095808

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McDaniels' agent found the one spot where having drafted Tebow is a positive not a negative. 
 
Chip Kelley seems like a pipedream to me, though I agree with those above who note that being a big-time college football coach is a pretty great gig. Steve Spurrier is living proof it's a much easier job than the NFL
 

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Spurrier does not face do or die in SC. In Florida again, he would. Kelly is too young for do or die, and McDaniels certainly is.

It is some conceit on FL's part to reach out to Kelly, who in his second year arguably is a top 5 NFL coach.
 

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Interesting responses. You could definitely be right. But I still think for quality of life purposes it's probably better than being an NFL coach or coordinator, at least on paper.

In part I think the job security in the NFL is just so low. For example, by my count since the conclusion of the 2012 season 15 NFL teams have changed head coaches. And if you don't win the Super Bowl, you're sort of a failure.

In college, however, lots of coaches have longevity without necessarily being the top team in the nation. The internet says that Greg Schiano was earning $2.3 M to be the Rutgers head coach, leading the Scarlet Knights to a 68-67 record over 11 seasons and was considered a success, right?

Maybe I'm wrong. Is there as much turnover at the top levels of college as there is in the NFL?
Depends on the job.

The whole reason the Florida job is open is because they are running Muschamp out of town because he can't live up to the legend of Spurrier and Meyer.

Bo Pelini has won 9 games a year for 7 years but he's toast because he couldn't win his conference or get to a BCS bowl.

The leash tends to be longer in college, but it has an end at most big time schools. Just depends on how you define "big time". Rutgers is not, for example.
 

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dynomite said:
Interesting responses. You could definitely be right. But I still think for quality of life purposes it's probably better than being an NFL coach or coordinator, at least on paper.

In part I think the job security in the NFL is just so low. For example, by my count since the conclusion of the 2012 season 15 NFL teams have changed head coaches. And if you don't win the Super Bowl, you're sort of a failure.

In college, however, lots of coaches have longevity without necessarily being the top team in the nation. The internet says that Greg Schiano was earning $2.3 M to be the Rutgers head coach, leading the Scarlet Knights to a 68-67 record over 11 seasons and was considered a success, right?

Maybe I'm wrong. Is there as much turnover at the top levels of college as there is in the NFL?
 
There are different kinds of college jobs. At places like Rutgers, South Carolina, Iowa, Missouri, Oregon St, as long as you don't have more than 2 down years in a row, you are fine. People love you as long as you are making bowl games most years and competing for a conference title a time or two. If you are reasonably successful coaching at the top of the mid-majors, or middle to bottom of major conferences, you can ride that out for a long time. 
 
At places like Florida, Nebraska, Michigan, you have to win. Just making bowls isn't good enough. Bo Pelini just got fired after going 67-27, and reaching three conference title games. But no conference titles means see ya. Frank Solich went 58-19 and was fired from Nebraska. On the less freakish level, Muschamp and Zook were fired, each with winning records. I couple middling years at a big school and you can kiss NFL hopes goodbye. 
 

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All a part of the master plan. McDaniels goes to Florida for three years. He brings with him Tebow as his recruiting coordinator/assistant head coach. Brian Daboll becomes the new Pats OC, Belichick retires after 2018, McDaniels returns having won a National Championship, Tebow becomes HC of the FG. 
 
It's perfect.
Don't forget we open back up the Florida to New England pipeline.
 

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Seems like an awesomely sensible hire.  He turned Colo State on a dime and has the pedigree.  Well prepared for the job and is not a laughable overreach on the Gators' part
 

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McDaniels is the clear favorite to take over as Pats head coach when BB hangs it up IMO. I think he only leaves for a really attractive pro job.
 
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Seems like an awesomely sensible hire.  He turned Colo State on a dime and has the pedigree.  Well prepared for the job and is not a laughable overreach on the Gators' part
Florida got to see a lot of him in 2008-2009 when the Bama UF game basically decided back-to-back national champions.
 
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McDaniels is the clear favorite to take over as Pats head coach when BB hangs it up IMO. I think he only leaves for a really attractive pro job.
I firmly believe and hope that another Parcells disciple will take over for BB,
 
Sean Payton. 
Will also get the bump to GM and/or DPP
 

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Why do you think he's a significantly bigger favorite than Matt Patricia?
Big part gut feeling, partly because of my impression of the relationship between BB and McDaniels, partly because he has had some head coaching experience. I wouldnt try to defend it beyond being a personal opinion though. 
 

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Big part gut feeling, partly because of my impression of the relationship between BB and McDaniels, partly because he has had some head coaching experience. I wouldnt try to defend it beyond being a personal opinion though.
Fair enough. McDaniels is definitely the higher profile guy with the slightly longer track record with the organization and he obviously has the head coaching experience, for better or for worse. I think Patricia is kind of intriguing, however, because BB seems to really like him a ton and because he's a mini-Belichick in so many ways: More intellectual and analytical than most football guys, a huge film room junkie by most accounts, a small school OL who worked his way up from the very bottom to become a DC for a top coach, a somewhat reserved guy who loves football but doesn't really enjoy the spotlight that much. To be fair, you can say some of the same (or similar) things about McDaniels. But its hard for me to shake the notion that Belichick might view Patricia as a real protege and potential heir, although that may be just my own gut feeling.
 
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Without knowing much about it, being a big-time college HC seems like the best job in football. Huge salary, fewer games, a few cream puffs on the schedule, etc.

Not sure if McDaniels has any interest, though.
 
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
You're missing the #2 and #2a reasons.
 
Well?  Unless you're talking about the left and right tits of SEC girls, I'm not following.