Mets Continuing To Mets
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I get it. But it’s been reported that the Sox have been in on lots of guys so far this off-season- even been reported that they made offers to a few, just hadn’t heard anything about Escobar and Canha, who seemed on paper, to be decent fits. Possible they were interested and made offers, were interested and didn’t, or weren’t interested.
Not a big deal - my comment should have been “wonder if the Sox were in on those guys” as opposed to “why weren’t they”. But, let’s get back to making fun of the Mets.
Not a big deal - my comment should have been “wonder if the Sox were in on those guys” as opposed to “why weren’t they”. But, let’s get back to making fun of the Mets.
As mentioned in the Red Sox off season thread, Marte is a guy that I thought would have fit in nicely for the Sox. Leave Kike' as your primary CF with occasional starts at 2B, Marte is your primary LF with Verdugo and Renfroe getting plenty of ABs in a five man rotation that includes Arroyo. I saw it strengthening the OF defense as well as the batting order and eliminating the want/need/desire to have both JDM and Schwarber on the roster. Not sure if Chaim kicked the tires there, but IMO 4 years 78 M would have been too much for a 33 year old guy whose legs are a big part of his all around game.
And if you believe those reports about all those guys, I’ve got a lefty named Finch I think you’d be interested in. Agents float this BS all the time to make it look like their guys have more interest than they really have.
Mets may not be done this weekend.
“After agreeing to terms with Mark Canha and Eduardo Escobar on Wednesday, and Starling Marte on Friday, the Mets have turned their attention to starting pitching with the expectation of signing more free agents as soon as Saturday or Sunday.
Two league sources pointed to Kevin Gausman as a primary target for the Mets, saying the team was “in hard” on Gausman and hoping to close a deal Saturday or Sunday.
The other source cautioned that, while Gausman is indeed a priority, the Mets are still talking to other pitchers, including Jon Gray and Max Scherzer. The Mets are not overly optimistic about signing Scherzer, but talks continue.”
https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-mets-pitching-kevin-gausman-others-martino
“After agreeing to terms with Mark Canha and Eduardo Escobar on Wednesday, and Starling Marte on Friday, the Mets have turned their attention to starting pitching with the expectation of signing more free agents as soon as Saturday or Sunday.
Two league sources pointed to Kevin Gausman as a primary target for the Mets, saying the team was “in hard” on Gausman and hoping to close a deal Saturday or Sunday.
The other source cautioned that, while Gausman is indeed a priority, the Mets are still talking to other pitchers, including Jon Gray and Max Scherzer. The Mets are not overly optimistic about signing Scherzer, but talks continue.”
https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-mets-pitching-kevin-gausman-others-martino
This is fun:
View: https://twitter.com/STR0/status/1464440811450298373
(EDIT: the “squad” in question is the Mets in case it isn’t clear - the first tweet was in response to a Mets fan asking him to come back.)
View: https://twitter.com/STR0/status/1464440811450298373
(EDIT: the “squad” in question is the Mets in case it isn’t clear - the first tweet was in response to a Mets fan asking him to come back.)
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Y'know, having players moment on team interest seems as though it should have happened long ago. I hope Stroman is the start of a new trend; would love to see this become the norm.
I wonder if some of this flurry of activity from the Mets is Cohen over-compensating for the Matz thing by being extra aggressive with offers. Like he doesn't want to be sniped (in his mind) again, so he's outbidding himself to head off a guy shopping around for just a bit more.
Possibly but they also now finally have a GM and there’s going to be a lockout in a few days so there’s an increased desire to get things done asap
Yup.
It's the Marte deal that really feels that way. He's coming off a really good year, but he's 33. Feels like they went four years just to make sure no one else topped them. I was expecting he'd get 3 years and a slightly higher AAV.
Agreed, the 4th year for Marte was one more than I thought he would be offered. I was thinking 3 years at somewhere between 57-63M. Hoping that Cohen doesn't set the tone for the FA market because he missed out on Matz.
Andy Martino on SNY: Growing expectations is that Scherzer is going to the Mets. Scherzer, his family, Boras, and Steve Cohen are negotiating this. Money is more than $40 million per year. Not a done deal yet. The only thing standing in the way is Scherzer deciding to take less to go somewhere else.
Their payroll will be up to the $270M range if they sign Scherzer and they still would have a very thin pitching staff after their two aces. But more importantly, it’s the Mets, so it’s not a question of whether it will fall apart, it’s ‘how will it fall apart this time?’.
https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/mets
That metric values past performances in the context of future salaries, which means it's a sloppy and often glaringly inaccurate approximation of what will happen on the field. (Especially for older players.)
That said, you are absolutely correct in terms of how Mets fans will view this.
He’s clearly giving the Dodgers, etc. a chance to respond. I won’t say this to my Mets fan friends but it’d be hilarious if Cohen gets publicly rebuffed like this twice in one week.
This reminds me so much of the Yankees getting Randy Johnson. I don't blame the Mets but anyone can see the very obvious downside here. With that, Scherzer has pitched a remarkable number of innings in his career and is a horse. Maybe he bucks the trend but between him and Verlander, there seems to be some Tom Brady-ish optimism that for some reason they will be aces until they are 45. Guess we'll see.
There is downside but they have the clear cut best pitcher in baseball, if healthy. You build for a 92 win team and if the stars align health-wise you have a 1-2 of DeGrom and Max in the playoffs.
Teams like the Mets should be taking risks like this. This isn’t the time to go for the systematic approach.
Teams like the Mets should be taking risks like this. This isn’t the time to go for the systematic approach.
When Mom and Dad ignore the doctor and take everyone out for ice cream, no one is happier than the kid with diabetes.
And maybe that kid won’t develop complications, but that doesn’t make it a smart choice.
And maybe that kid won’t develop complications, but that doesn’t make it a smart choice.
It's too much money (and I certainly wouldn't go 4 years), but if anyone thought Scherzer was going to settle for a 1 or 2 year deal they were being delusional.
Scherzer is getting paid for the right to finish his career with a franchise he never had any interest in playing for. As part of that, I can almost guarantee Cohen is promising to surround him with win-at-all cost talent and I would believe Cohen.
Perhaps, but the three signings the other day were all 33 and got multiple years which, with Scherzer, would seem to create a short window. Maybe it will work, but we've all seen the throw-money-at-the-wall approach go up in flames before
The Mets can spend their wads of cash however they want obviously but it seems odd to me for them to target Scherzer given that they already had a very good rotation last year even with deGrom’s injury. Scherzer seems like a luxury signing for a team on the cusp to get that last piece for a true WS run, and it doesn’t feel like the Mets are that close yet.
But who knows, presumably they aren’t done spending even after this signing.
But who knows, presumably they aren’t done spending even after this signing.
Does it matter if it has no impact on their ability to develop their farm? They really don’t have a lot on the payroll post 2023, they have a middling farm system. This is basically the time to go for it, before all of their stars age out. I mean, how good will DeGrom be in three years? Spend cash, build a bridge for when your next group of prospects graduate. The Mets are funnily enough in pretty much the same position as the Yankees and Red Sox are in. All three teams have stars aging out of their primes and have farm systems that are at least two years away from graduating multiple high-quality prospects.
Just scanning through the last hour or so of posts here, it's hysterical seeing the AAV climb 40-42-43-43.3...
Wonder why they skipped 41M/year?