Miami Game Goat (Mayo and who Else?)
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they allowed 193 yards rushing at 4.7 per rush. If the Dolphins had any semblance of a competent QB or special teams, they would have won by 20. Gonzalez played well. The rest of the D was pretty bad
Eliot Wolf
His off-season signings - Okorafor (quit), Watts (waived injured), Takitaki (yet to play), Osborn (healthy scratch), Gibson (useful), Brissett (as expected, he sucks), Hawkins (JAG), Leverett (JAG), Hooper (JAG/adequate backup)
draft class has basically nothing because the OL and QB have been so bad.
Kraft for anointing Mayo without a real search and Wolf without a real search.
Coaching is bad, roster is bad. No improvement from last year. Rebuilds take time but year 1 shouldn’t be a total punt other than taking a QB in the first.
His off-season signings - Okorafor (quit), Watts (waived injured), Takitaki (yet to play), Osborn (healthy scratch), Gibson (useful), Brissett (as expected, he sucks), Hawkins (JAG), Leverett (JAG), Hooper (JAG/adequate backup)
draft class has basically nothing because the OL and QB have been so bad.
Kraft for anointing Mayo without a real search and Wolf without a real search.
Coaching is bad, roster is bad. No improvement from last year. Rebuilds take time but year 1 shouldn’t be a total punt other than taking a QB in the first.
The line sucks so bad that there's nothing the offense can do even average. Any gains we're immediately eliminated by penalties. Shrug and know it.
I won’t disagree but this defense played without Barmore, Bentley, Dugger, and Peppers. That is a lot of attrition.
The offense feels like completing a pass is a herculean task. Not NFL football.
This team has a few good skill players - Gonzo, Gibson, Douglas etc but is pretty devoid of talent at Q and OL. I don't see even Vince Lombardi winning with this squad.
The Patriots writ large are my goats.
The Patriots writ large are my goats.
Today they actually could run it, but they went away from that at every opportunity.
Jacoby Brissett for the inability to complete an accurate pass beyond 5 yards. It’s the same old shit
When your offense has scored 13 PPG, it wont
allowing 15 to a team which has averaged 11 PPG isn’t exactly a great effort
How many runs were recalled by holds/procedure penalties? I will go through this later, but I'm guessing 5. That likely means lots of those decent runs were just uncalled holds. A decent line doesn't have to hold this much. I get it, they're street guys and rookies and injured and Vedarian Lowe, but this is the root of all evil, much as it was last year.
The rule that causes Polk’s catch to be ruled an incompletion is the dumbest fucking rule in the sport.
I do agree that it wasn’t a great throw but still think Polk should have got the second foot down.
i always thought that 20 years was credit due me for what I saw in my youth and middle age. Because right now, the Patriots I'm seeing remind me of the Patriots I saw then. For those of you whom are too young to know, this is what most Patriot teams were like for a long time.
This is it but you can clearly see that some folks didn't think it would ever have to be paid. But its really the most objective take.
And by paid, it isn't just facing a team with a lack of talent. They also had to rebuild a FO from the ground up given how the prior regime was run. We may have to live with games like this one for a while
Kraft.
He should’ve ate the $10 million and spent some money to get a competent GM & coach with some experience in here.
As always, you get what you pay for.
Hopefully they get Maye in here so these guys can hurry up and get fired when they can’t develop him properly.
He should’ve ate the $10 million and spent some money to get a competent GM & coach with some experience in here.
As always, you get what you pay for.
Hopefully they get Maye in here so these guys can hurry up and get fired when they can’t develop him properly.
They already paid in 2020-2023 though. This is rebuild attempt #2. What really set them back was the 2021 offseason - the failed spending spree, and the Jones pick. So 2024 is rebuild attempt #2. Rebuild attempt #3 likely in spring 2026-2027, sadly.
This is the NFL. There is no excuse to be bad for more than 3-4 years in a row before turning it around and making the playoffs.
On the plus side, the new dark ages have thus far avoided cocaine related arrests, guys whipping out their junk at woman reporters, toilets overflowing en masse, bankruptcy and relocation talk and discussions of Donald Trump buying the team only to be denied by the commissioner because of Trump’s casino and gambling influence
The late 80’s and early 90’s were a wild ride. More interesting than this current train wreck.
Oh man--was I having flashbacks today! I'm still happy to give Mayo some time--but they are a grimly unwatchable team on offense.
That spending spree wasn’t really that bad. Judon and Henry worked out. Agoholor was about as expected, got paid low end 2 money and produced #3 results but on short years not really an issue. Jonnu Smith was a disaster of course but hardly a roster busting problem
Jones failing, the brain drain in the front office and coaching staff and the entire core getting old/expensive/injured within 2-3 years was the real killer.
No GM could have drafted well enough to make up for the loss and degradation of talent the Pats had after the 2018 Super Bowl.
the rule that your foot has to be inbounds? The rule that has been in place for 100 years?
if that’s the dumbest rule in the sport, im surprised it isn’t talked about all the time. Seems like most people are fine with the idea that you need to get your feet inbounds for the catch to count.
I get this but there's no real reason why it had to be the case. Where they are now is the result of bad management. The middling years from 2020-2022 I can see as a cycle. Now it's just a shitshow that they've brought on themselves and are inflicting on the fanbase.
Eh...maybe? Plenty of GMs have been dealt a hand of middling sophomore QB and succeeded, by drafting OL and WR help that work with said QB. Instead, no OT, overdraft OG, bad WRs. BB made his bed, and we're still lying in it.
This is what I was trying to articulate. There's no reason to be bad more than 3-4 years in a row in the NFL. Look at the Texans.
It is ludicrous that a receiver can drag his tie along the ground in bounds, or tap his toe on the ground in bounds, and those both count as a foot down in bounds. But if the receiver taps his toe on the ground in bounds but then plants the back half of his foot out, it does not count at a foot down. Completely stupid. A receiver should either need to get the whole foot down or not.
Jets, Giants, Indy, Jacksonville, Raiders, Chargers, Miami, Denver, Commanders, Arizona, New Orleans, and Atlanta have all been piss poor for a while. Well over 3-4 years. And that's off the top of my head.
Yeah, this. They have one of the worst rosters in football and don’t seem to be able to improve it either via the draft or FA.
seriously. It's first point of contact by the foot, everywhere EXCEPT the end zone? What kind of coked-up lawyer thought THAT one up?!
I agree with Eddie on this one. He got 2 feet in before the heel hit so why isn't it a catch. If 2 toes count dragging them ob, why the hell doesn't it count if you get 2 toes in before the heel hits. It seems ridiculous to me.
They lost Chung, McCourty, Edelman, Brady (of course), Hightower, Gilmore, Gronk to age related decline, retirement or going elsewhere
And yeah whiffing on Strange (thus far) and Harry (et al) is bad he still got Uche, Jennings, Gonzalez, Barmore, Keion White, Onwenu, Stevenson and Dugger which isn’t a terrible haul. Sow, Baringer, and some others have some promise
Sure, the drafting wasn’t good enough to replace the core but they needed to replace legit NFL HOF talents and a few Patriots HOF level guys in a short period while using one of their 1sts on the QB of the future (which failed)
And honestly, if drafting and personnel moves was the reason to dump BB, keeping Groh and Wolf makes no sense especially since Wolf hasn’t spent any money except on trash veterans and retaining BB draft picks.
Well yeah when you keep fucking up you keep ending up in 3-4 year cycles. Which the Pats are in now.
that’s not the rule
If the entire bottom of the foot hits the ground during the catching process, the entire foot has to be in bounds.
it’s been that way for 100 years just about. Why are people so confused about this? The entire foot has to be in bounds, it’s NFL rules 101
You said there's no excuse to be bad for more than 3-4 years. There are plenty of excuses and examples.
I agree. Man, I am Person Number 1 when it comes to excoriating the refs but this one is so easy to understand. A toe tap is a toe TAP.
A foot coming down is a foot coming down. If the foot comes down, and it is NOT a toe tap, the whole foot has to be in. Pretty simple.
Yeah the point is that if you rebuild the correct way you can get good again in 3-4 years max. If you don’t do it correctly you start over.
He didn’t get two feet in. He got one and a half. The second foot was clearly half in and half out. If the heel didn’t hit the ground as part of the catch, it would have been a TD.
Literally always been the rule. “Toe tap” means the toe hits as part of the catch but the rest of the foot does not hit the ground as part of the catching process.
Yes that's the rule and obviously the refs got it right but it is a stupid rule. See Insta's explanation above
Wolf
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Brissett
Realistically, BB the GM should be #1 in these threads every week, he royally fucked up this roster over the preceding five seasons.
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Brissett
Realistically, BB the GM should be #1 in these threads every week, he royally fucked up this roster over the preceding five seasons.