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Lockett just made a catch near the sidelines and he landed with both feet quite near to the OB line but got the entirety of both his feet in bounds. So it was a catch. No toe taps involved. But it was a catch because his feet were in bounds.

Because great receivers know how to handle the sidelines.
 
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This team has a lot of holes to fill.
Getting the best draft pick possible and trading down to pick up those extra early round picks is the best plan.
Losing while painful is unfortunately the best way forward.
Assuming you can get a good enough offer to move down and assuming Wolf nails a lot of the picks (which is highly questionable)
 

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Which Tom Brady, 47 year old Tom Brady or prime Tom Brady?

Because, yes, prime Tom Brady would have any team near 500. But he is also the best QB in NFL history.
Last year of Brady’s career Tom Brady has them at 3-2.
 

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What? They just lost at home to a beat up dolphins team on their 3rd string QB because the Patriots OL is historically bad, they have no real threats on offense, and the defense has taken too many injuries to overcome how frequently the offense puts them on the field.

This team isn't sniffing 3-2 even with prime Brady because the majority of the roster is awful.
Brady gets them 17 points minimum today. Brady wins against Seattle. No doubt they’d be 3-2 right now.
 

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I found out today I hate having Jacoby Brissett as the QB for a rebuilding team with zero aspirations. They should have signed Jameis Winston as a bridge QB, a guy who'll give the young receivers a chance in order to develop them and make them a more entertaining on field product. I honestly couldn't give half a shit about interceptions for a team built like this one.
This is right. They aren’t only bad they are boring. Best case scenario for exciting football with Brissett under center is they break out the wild cat in a game.
 

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I mean, we don't want to win. Plan is progressing. There is not a single thing surprising and then you add on a few injuries and we're a bad team.

We're are supposed to be a bad team. We want to be a bad team. Let Mayo learn and take his lumps. They are 1-4 and deserve to be, although with a little luck they could be 3-2. And that would be the worst thing for this team.
 

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i always thought that 20 years was credit due me for what I saw in my youth and middle age. Because right now, the Patriots I'm seeing remind me of the Patriots I saw then. For those of you whom are too young to know, this is what most Patriot teams were like for a long time.
As fans, we were the laughing stock of the league basically from the mid 1960's through 2000, we had flashes in 1976, 1985, 1996, then 2001 changed all of that.

I know when it comes to sports, nothing lasts forever, but I also thought Kraft was a good owner/smart business man and would never let this team completely bottom out; after all, as he yammers all the time "he was one of us in the stands".

Well, he has.

This organization is once again a complete laughing stock.

They are terrible from top to bottom, quite a feat.

Football is no longer fun in Foxboro; they are boring on top of being terrible.
 

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I don't disagree. But Tom Brady is the best QB in NFL history. You rarely end up with players like that.
Obviously. Last year Tom Brady wasn’t the GOAT at that point though. We wouldn’t need peak TB12. Last year of his career TB12 would have them 3-2. The roster isn’t great but a good QB has them with a winning record right now.
 

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Just watch the TD Arizona just had, with the guy making sure to get both of his entire feet in bounds to understand why Polk fucked up.
 

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If the toe tap/foot rule allowed you to be in bounds if the initial part of your foot was in bounds as people here are suggesting it would be impossible to officiate. If you jump in the air and land with your whole foot you usually land on the ball of your foot first. If your foot was half OOB refs would be trying to tell if the player had contacted the ball of his foot first and going back and forth between like two frames of video. Usually it is quicker than Polks catch.

I prefer NCAA where just one foot needs to be down but the NFL rule is fine and perfectly clear.
 

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If the toe tap/foot rule allowed you to be in bounds if the initial part of your foot was in bounds as people here are suggesting it would be impossible to officiate. If you jump in the air and land with your whole foot you usually land on the ball of your foot first. If your foot was half OOB refs would be trying to tell if the player had contacted the ball of his foot first and going back and forth between like two frames of video. Usually it is quicker than Polks catch.

I prefer NCAA where just one foot needs to be down but the NFL rule is fine and perfectly clear.
Well a poster named "toe nash" should probably have the final say on this topic.
 

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These losses aren't terrible. They're competitive. They're not being embarrassed. The more incompetent the oline is the more I want Brissett to just do his best out there. They're a lot closer to average than they are to 0-17.

That said I'm not confident they figure it out next year. Mayo has been ordinary, and I didn't like Wolf at any point from the signing until now. They badly need OL and by the time they get it they're going to need RB TE as well.
 

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These losses aren't terrible. They're competitive. They're not being embarrassed. The more incompetent the oline is the more I want Brissett to just do his best out there. They're a lot closer to average than they are to 0-17.

That said I'm not confident they figure it out next year. Mayo has been ordinary, and I didn't like Wolf at any point from the signing until now. They badly need OL and by the time they get it they're going to need RB TE as well.
I thought today was kind of embarrassing despite it being close and competitive. Miami without Tua is awful, and the Patriots looked totally inept.
 

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I thought today was kind of embarrassing despite it being close and competitive. Miami without Tua is awful, and the Patriots looked totally inept.
Yea but I look at it as the defense did what you would hope, same for special teams outside the miss. The offense being bad was what everyone predicted. I saw the starters on the OL and am not even sure I recognized more than 2 of them. Every guy on the OL outside of Onwenu is at or near the bottom of the league
 

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These losses aren't terrible. They're competitive. They're not being embarrassed. The more incompetent the oline is the more I want Brissett to just do his best out there. They're a lot closer to average than they are to 0-17.

That said I'm not confident they figure it out next year. Mayo has been ordinary, and I didn't like Wolf at any point from the signing until now. They badly need OL and by the time they get it they're going to need RB TE as well.
RB are free, which is why the Rham extension is my least favorite move of the offseason.
 

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that’s not the rule

If the entire bottom of the foot hits the ground during the catching process, the entire foot has to be in bounds.

it’s been that way for 100 years just about. Why are people so confused about this? The entire foot has to be in bounds, it’s NFL rules 101
I agree. Man, I am Person Number 1 when it comes to excoriating the refs but this one is so easy to understand. A toe tap is a toe TAP.

A foot coming down is a foot coming down. If the foot comes down, and it is NOT a toe tap, the whole foot has to be in. Pretty simple.
That's not correct, tho.

If that same play happens on the sideline, (toe hits inbounds and then the heel OB) the pass would be incomplete. The end zone has nothing to do with it.
Lot of discussion on this topic. I’d love to add more but you all said it well. It’s the rule and I am disappointed he couldn’t make a nice catch. Good receivers make hard catches. Polk might be putting up decent separation numbers but he’s 9 of 19 for 74 yards and 1 TD. He was 1 of 6 today and not on the same page with JB. It’s not all his fault and he has had some nice moments but he’s not a game changer or show up like a game changer so far in his very young career.

Mayo, AVP, Brissett, Leverett are my goats. They manage the end of the half like a bunch of donkeys. Again.
 

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RB are free, which is why the Rham extension is my least favorite move of the offseason.
It's just irrelevant. He's a fine player but yea it makes no sense. But whoever is the RB the next time this team is competitive is probably not on the current roster.
 

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HM: Brissett is a tough bastard but he still stinks out loud. His processing is worse than a 40 year old computer and his windup is slower than most pitchers.

Ultimately draft position is what matters this year but it’s still painful to watch this team try to play offense. Yikes.
 

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I mean, we don't want to win. Plan is progressing. There is not a single thing surprising and then you add on a few injuries and we're a bad team.

We're are supposed to be a bad team. We want to be a bad team. Let Mayo learn and take his lumps. They are 1-4 and deserve to be, although with a little luck they could be 3-2. And that would be the worst thing for this team.
These losses aren't terrible. They're competitive. They're not being embarrassed. The more incompetent the oline is the more I want Brissett to just do his best out there. They're a lot closer to average than they are to 0-17.

That said I'm not confident they figure it out next year. Mayo has been ordinary, and I didn't like Wolf at any point from the signing until now. They badly need OL and by the time they get it they're going to need RB TE as well.
They are EPA, DVOA, raw stats wise all about 26th worst on offense and defense and just lost 15-10 to an awful Fins team with a backup QB who hasn’t had a lead in 4 games. You should and they should want to win. The fact that they are averaging 12.4 PPG, worse than last year, and the defense has taken a step back is alarming. They won the turnover margin 2-0 and lost. Something like 84-89% of teams who win the turnover margin by 2+ win the game. We failed to. You want them to play with more discipline too. It’s hard to see how culture is being built early on. Way too many bad penalties and shitty situation football. Not to mention the awful end of half management.
 

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Jets, Giants, Indy, Jacksonville, Raiders, Chargers, Miami, Denver, Commanders, Arizona, New Orleans, and Atlanta have all been piss poor for a while. Well over 3-4 years. And that's off the top of my head.
Yeah there is no rule or recipe that teams can follow to guarantee instant rebuilds except drafting a stud rookie QB. People saying that this team should be competing right now feel like they were expecting the exception. Typically NFL limbo lasts a while...
 

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Also, game goat to the damn blue on blue uniforms. I had hope that our long regional nightmare was over when they went with the silver pants earlier this season but alas, the worst combo has returned
 

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Fuck draft position. Tanking sucks. Losing locker rooms are full of loser players who get used to losing.

Shitty teams get into this death spiral and draft high every year and never get better. That’s a fucking stupid way to build a franchise. They have a shitty roster but they played a game today that was embarrassing for a pop warner team in terms of penalties. They lost to an awful football team at home today, there’s nothing good about that and draft position rationalization sucks.
 

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Yeah there is no rule or recipe that teams can follow to guarantee instant rebuilds except drafting a stud rookie QB. People saying that this team should be competing right now feel like they were expecting the exception. Typically NFL limbo lasts a while...
Yeah, the Patriots made the playoffs in 2021... that's not even Limbo by NFL standards.
 

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He didn’t get two feet in. He got one and a half. The second foot was clearly half in and half out. If the heel didn’t hit the ground as part of the catch, it would have been a TD.

Literally always been the rule. “Toe tap” means the toe hits as part of the catch but the rest of the foot does not hit the ground as part of the catching process.
As soon as the tap hits, it should be a touchdown. It doesn’t make sense.
 

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Keep finding edge cases.
I'm agreeing with you, the Patriots being bad for 3,4, 5 years is to be expected in the NFL, they've been bad for 2 seasons tops coming into this one. People who expected the team to just never be bad, or only for 1 year weren't being reasonable, probably because the Patriots had a 20 year streak that is basically unrivaled in NFL history.
 

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I'm agreeing with you, the Patriots being bad for 3,4, 5 years is to be expected in the NFL, they've been bad for 2 seasons tops coming into this one. People who expected the team to just never be bad, or only for 1 year weren't being reasonable, probably because the Patriots had a 20 year streak that is basically unrivaled in NFL history.
Apologies.

I don't think it has to be that way but between cap and how coaching regimes work, it feels like if a team finds their young QB they can rebuild in a few seasons but the finding the QB part is hard obviously.

If you don't get your Q it feels like you can be waiting for a lot longer.
 

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Bo Nix out there winning NFL games. Could've traded down for him and picked up an OT along the way. We have a guy who can't get on the field, instead.
 

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Presumably they are withholding him from the field because the offensive roster is trash, like, way more trash than Denver (and miles behind Washington). Look at it position by position.
 

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Presumably they are withholding him from the field because the offensive roster is trash, like, way more trash than Denver (and miles behind Washington). Look at it position by position.
Don't buy that at all. It's a trash roster but a QB can elevate players. Brissett has zero ability to do that. He's cooked. It's time to play Maye and if I am Mayo I'm telling to Van Pelt to get Maye ready for next week or find another job elsewhere.
 

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This isn't high school. If Maye is just 10% better than JB, they're 3-2 right now and tied for first.
 

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Some have argued that Polk failed to get the second foot in bounds, but a good NFL received would have done so. I've watched the replay a number of times, and it seems to me that basic physics prevents him -- or anyone else -- from doing so.

Polk is high in the air and moving backwards, toward the back of the end zone, when he catches the ball. His body is falling backwards. His buttocks and back are going to land out of bounds, and there's nothing he can do to prevent that.

He swings the left foot down, so that it strikes the grass inside the end zone. At this moment, his right leg is high in the air, above the level of his rear end. There are two ways he might cause the right foot to strike the ground while still in bounds:
a) bend his right leg sharply so that it comes down quickly, and hits the ground before his rear end
b) leave the right leg up in the air ("dead leg it"), which will cause it to hit the ground AFTER his rear end

In situation b, the right foot might indeed hit the ground in-bounds, but before it does so, his rear end will land out of bands, and it will be ruled "no catch." As far as I can tell, his only chance was to do what he did: bend the right leg so that it reaches the ground before his body. Unfortunately, he just wasn't able to do so. It's not clear to me that any person could have done so; certainly it was easy, or routine, in any way.

I'm defending Polks' effort on this catch only, not making any larger statements about his quality as a receiver.
 

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Some have argued that Polk failed to get the second foot in bounds, but a good NFL received would have done so. I've watched the replay a number of times, and it seems to me that basic physics prevents him -- or anyone else -- from doing so.

Polk is high in the air and moving backwards, toward the back of the end zone, when he catches the ball. His body is falling backwards. His buttocks and back are going to land out of bounds, and there's nothing he can do to prevent that.

He swings the left foot down, so that it strikes the grass inside the end zone. At this moment, his right leg is high in the air, above the level of his rear end. There are two ways he might cause the right foot to strike the ground while still in bounds:
a) bend his right leg sharply so that it comes down quickly, and hits the ground before his rear end
b) leave the right leg up in the air ("dead leg it"), which will cause it to hit the ground AFTER his rear end

In situation b, the right foot might indeed hit the ground in-bounds, but before it does so, his rear end will land out of bands, and it will be ruled "no catch." As far as I can tell, his only chance was to do what he did: bend the right leg so that it reaches the ground before his body. Unfortunately, he just wasn't able to do so. It's not clear to me that any person could have done so; certainly it was easy, or routine, in any way.

I'm defending Polks' effort on this catch only, not making any larger statements about his quality as a receiver.
SO the key really is before he even catches it, it's hard, but a lot of WRs what they would do is not take the big step backwards but instead go up with the legs closer together then straighten out so the feet hit first. Would have to be a really good catch though, throw was just too high.
 

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They are EPA, DVOA, raw stats wise all about 26th worst on offense and defense and just lost 15-10 to an awful Fins team with a backup QB who hasn’t had a lead in 4 games. You should and they should want to win. The fact that they are averaging 12.4 PPG, worse than last year, and the defense has taken a step back is alarming. They won the turnover margin 2-0 and lost. Something like 84-89% of teams who win the turnover margin by 2+ win the game. We failed to. You want them to play with more discipline too. It’s hard to see how culture is being built early on. Way too many bad penalties and shitty situation football. Not to mention the awful end of half management.
They're building a culture just fine: a losing culture. Losing is contagious and everyone on this team is catching it.
 

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How many runs were recalled by holds/procedure penalties? I will go through this later, but I'm guessing 5.
This was a bad guess, just 2 runs killed by penalties, but in total, there were 7 penalties accepted that screwed up drives, including the two cited on run plays. Grouped together by drives:

(14:55 - 2nd) J.Brissett pass short middle to A.Gibson to NE 36 for 5 yards (J.Brooks) [B.Jones]. PENALTY on NE-D.Jacobs, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NE 31 - No Play. - 1st and 10 at the NE 33, pushes them back to 1st and 20
(13:46 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) PENALTY on NE-N.Leverett, False Start, 4 yards, enforced at NE 40 - No Play. - 3rd and 1, after two decent pass plays to get close, false start pushes them back, eventually leads to a 3-and-out

(9:42 - 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Brissett pass short right to H.Henry to MIA 15 for 4 yards (E.Ogbah). PENALTY on NE-R.Stevenson, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at MIA 19 - No Play. - 1st and 10, this didn't end up killing the drive, hooray!
(8:43 - 2nd) Z.Thomas reported in as eligible. R.Stevenson left tackle to MIA 7 for 4 yards (A.Walker). PENALTY on NE-N.Leverett, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at MIA 10. - 1st and goal at the MIA 10, pushed them back to the 20, and eventually lead to the (missed 33 yard) FG. This killed a very deep drive.

(13:58 - 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Brissett pass short left to D.Douglas to MIA 45 for 7 yards (S.Duck). PENALTY on NE-J.Polk, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NE 48 - No Play. - 1st and 10, did not kill the drive, but pushed em back, and had Ramsey not committed his ridiculously dumb smack across Brissett's facemask on the very next play, this probably does kill the drive.

(2:15 - 4th) (No Huddle) A.Gibson left end pushed ob at MIA 33 for no gain (J.Brooks). PENALTY on NE-V.Lowe, Offensive Holding, 11 yards, enforced at MIA 33 - No Play. - 1st and 10, did not kill the drive, but going for a TD to take back the lead late, this forced heroics. Also, a Henry false start penalty on the next play was declined.
(1:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) PENALTY on NE-H.Henry, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at MIA 12 - No Play. - ...and then Henry decided to false start again on 4th and 10.

All in all, some really lousy penalties throughout that drastically decreased end zone chances on two drives, and killed another.
 

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Yes, that throw gave him very little chance. It was a great effort.
The throw was awful and it's lucky that Polk came as close to catching it as he did. I'm usually hard on WR's, but that one was entirely on the QB.

What I don't understand is 19 rushing attempts versus 34 passes against a team that has a shitty run defense. That is an inarguable coaching fail from the top down.

Brissett is a goat - he sucked even when he made a couple of throws in that final drive. NFL QB's need to do better than make a couple of tough throws per game.
 

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The throw was awful and it's lucky that Polk came as close to catching it as he did. I'm usually hard on WR's, but that one was entirely on the QB.

What I don't understand is 19 rushing attempts versus 34 passes against a team that has a shitty run defense. That is an inarguable coaching fail from the top down.

Brissett is a goat - he sucked even when he made a couple of throws in that final drive. NFL QB's need to do better than make a couple of tough throws per game.
So looking through the PBP it isn't all that indefensible even without knowing when Brissett checked to pass:
1st- possesion.. 1 run, a sack, then 3rd and long have to throw.
2nd- pass/run/pass/run- TF
3rd- Holding... 1st and long pass, 2nd and long QB run, 3rd and short... penalty.. 3rd and long pass
4th- run, holding 2nd and long pass, holding, pass, pass, run missed FG
5. Under 2 minutes... run, pass, pass
6. 28 seconds left... pass, pass, pass
7. run, run/holding 2nd and long, convert via penalty, run, pass, pass, run, pass, run 2ndlong pass, 3rd long pass
8. run, run, pass
9. run, pass, pass, run 2nd long pass, 3rd long pass,
10. pass, pass, penalty, run, run run holding, 1st and 20+ with 2 minutes left, pass, pass, pass, 1st, pass, pass, pass, pass, penalty, pass, pass.

I would guess the neutral pass-rate doesn't look bad at all. They just had a lot of long yardage situations due to penalties and a 1-14 ratio at the very end of each half, so it was 18-20 if you exclude the 2 minute stuff, and even that was driven by a lot of long yardage situations.
 

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The coaching was truly horrible in every respect. I'm just going to list my 3 biggest coaching fails:

1. They had a running game but didn't use it.

Doug Kyed: It was first-and-10 at the 12-yard line with 1:13 on the clock, and the Patriots had three timeouts. They called four straight passing plays. The Patriots are averaging 7.9 yards per carry and 3.1 yards per dropback.

View: https://twitter.com/DougKyed/status/1843019529716437031


Four straight passing plays and turned the ball over on downs.

2. The mess at the end of the first half. They have the ball on their 5 with 1:43 left. Getting the ball to start the second half. The priority here should be not giving the ball back. Stevenson gains 8 yards on first down. Pats let the clock run. At 1:09, the run the next play, a clock-stopping incompetion on second and 2. Third and 2, 1:02, another Brissett incompletion. 4th and 2, 0:55 second left, and they have to kick it back, there is a decent return and Miami has the ball on the NE 44 with 55 second left and three timeouts. Just hideous decision making there, and evidence that they are not learning from past mistakes.

3. They put 12 men on the field on a punt return. What fucking guy was out there who did not know that he wasn't part of the punt return team?

Things I liked about this game:

1. They set a franchise record for rushing yards per carry at 7.9.
2. CG is real good.
3. I have to go much deeper here, but Keyshon Boutte did a couple of nice things.
 

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@Eddie Jurak - Baringer also had a big game again...51.7 yards per punt. Too many touchbacks for my liking but even so, the kid continues to blast the ball.

So that's good!

Also, yes the running game was bolstered by the 33-yarder, but even without that, they averaged 6.6 yards per carry. Their OL can't pass block for crap but they can move people in the running game. Why not use it at the end? Mystifying.
 

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that’s not the rule

If the entire bottom of the foot hits the ground during the catching process, the entire foot has to be in bounds.

it’s been that way for 100 years just about. Why are people so confused about this? The entire foot has to be in bounds, it’s NFL rules 101
Yes. And it's a stupid rule. I'm not sure why you are so confused about this. I'm equally unsure why you're hellbent on being an asshole about it.
 

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Don't buy that at all. It's a trash roster but a QB can elevate players. Brissett has zero ability to do that. He's cooked. It's time to play Maye and if I am Mayo I'm telling to Van Pelt to get Maye ready for next week or find another job elsewhere.
They know they’re all getting canned if Maye doesn’t play well. It’s job preservation at this point. Ownership has to demand it for it to happen. Enough of this shit.