Mike'd Up: The Mike Francesa Show

[God's Cop]

QUOTE (vtred @ Oct 27 2009, 05:02 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2651540
only those of you who are regular listeners will appreciate this:

is that actually MiM?

 

[vtred]

yes it is...

 

[StuckOnYouk]

QUOTE (God's Cop @ Oct 26 2009, 01:18 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2649880
"The ghosts of 2004 ALCS have been scattered away forever."

Are you shitting me?

It truly is the most shocking postseason choke in the history of American sports and it's hard to believe that any sports fan will witness such an incredible collapse in the playoffs of any of the 4 major american sport leagues again in our lifetimes.

And he's saying that the ALCS win over the Angels--a series in which NY was at one point a 9/5 favorite in Vegas--just scattered the ghosts of 2004 away forever? Now I don't think there are any "ghosts" to worry about in a baseball game, but still his comment is ludicrous.

I actually like Mike and think he's fairly objective with things like this, but he sounded like a nutbag caller with that comparison.

Mike must sharing some Crystal Meth with Agassi at about 12:55pm.

 

[Doctor G]

QUOTE (StuckOnYouk @ Oct 27 2009, 10:39 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2652210
It truly is the most shocking postseason choke in the history of American sports and it's hard to believe that any sports fan will witness such an incredible collapse in the playoffs of any of the 4 major american sport leagues again in our lifetimes.

And he's saying that the ALCS win over the Angels--a series in which NY was at one point a 9/5 favorite in Vegas--just scattered the ghosts of 2004 away forever? Now I don't think there are any "ghosts" to worry about in a baseball game, but still his comment is ludicrous.

I actually like Mike and think he's fairly objective with things like this, but he sounded like a nutbag caller with that comparison.

Mike must sharing some Crystal Meth with Agassi at about 12:55pm.


All this speaks to is how worried Mike was that the Yankees would spit the bit again. He is far too pompous to admit this and instead goes to the opposite extreme of saying they will never choke again.

 

[vtred]

he's already been talking about how us Mets fans are going to deal with having to endure a Yankee victory parade...

 

[bankshot1]

The greatest side benefit from 2004, and I posted this at the time, is the fact that 2004 is the gift that keeps on giving.

Every time a team is down 0-3, the media always reference 2004, as the most impossible of comebacks and the most unlikeliest of chokes.

It won't go away. It can't.

2004 is permanently etched in baseball and sporting lore.

 

[Zupcic Fan]

Not to belabor the point, but I still don't think Mike is wrong about those ghosts of 2004 going away by the win over the Angels. To me, all he was saying is that the Yankees, for the first time since then, are back in the World Series---and if they win it, certainly their fans will forget awfully quickly about 2004 and celebrate big time. What do you want them to do, say something like "man, we just beat the Angels, but I don't want to feel to good about it---I mean hell, we choked away 2004"

It's the equivalent of saying that 2004 for the Red Sox fans helped to erase 1) all that curse crap, and 2) the awfukl memories of the horrible collapse in 1986.
and there's no doubt it did do that. I don't see how any Red Sox fan could not feel somewhat differently about all that stuff because of the two World Series wins. It doesn't erase the enormity of the feelings that Sox fans felt in 86, but it sure must make it feel different. Nobody talks about the curse any more. Every Sox playoff game does not begin with a video of Buckner's play.

I just get the sense that people like to pounce and make more of all these statements that sports talk show guys and announcers make----it's like "oh boy listen to what mike just said---gotta run to the computer and shit on him for it"

The Yankees choked in 2004. It was a big choke. Their fans were upset about it. Now, for the fist time since then they are dominant and are heading to the series. It probably helps them to forget that awful loss and focus on this great season. Doesn't sound like such a ridiculous conclusion to me.

ps: Now if it's Mike's wording that you're criticizing and think he exaggerrated the enormity of the Angels win a bit, I agree with you, but I think that's such a little thing that i don't see why it would upset anyone particulrly Bottom line---2004 they were close to the Series and lost horribly---this time they beat a pretty good team and are back where their fans expect them to be in late October. That's all. Not really a big deal. Mike has said far worse than that.

 

[Doug Beerabelli]

Well Zup, that's like comparing a spoonful of Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup to a blowjob from Jessica Alba, but if that spoonful of soup makes Yankee fans feel better about what happened in the 2004 ALCS, then good for them.

 

[JBill]

QUOTE
Not to belabor the point, but I still don't think Mike is wrong about those ghosts of 2004 going away by the win over the Angels. To me, all he was saying is that the Yankees, for the first time since then, are back in the World Series---and if they win it, certainly their fans will forget awfully quickly about 2004 and celebrate big time. What do you want them to do, say something like "man, we just beat the Angels, but I don't want to feel to good about it---I mean hell, we choked away 2004"
I have no idea how most Yankee fans will feel about '04 if they win this year, but as a comparison, maybe it would be like the Pats losing the perfect season SB. Just a historic, epic loss. The Pats will never have that chance ever again, no matter how many championships they win, because it wasn't a run of the mill SB loss. If the Pats win it all this year, will it help me forget? It's not like I'm still distraught about it, or that I would be anything but really happy with a championship, but I can't say anything would ever make 'the SB loss feel better because it was such a unique event. I think the '04 ALCS is in the same category.

 

[Foulkey Reese]

QUOTE (Doug Beerabelli @ Oct 28 2009, 12:37 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2652659
Well Zup, that's like comparing a spoonful of Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup to a blowjob from Jessica Alba, but if that spoonful of soup makes Yankee fans feel better about what happened in the 2004 ALCS, then good for them.

This is great.

 

[Zupcic Fan]

I just don't get you guys! (even you Beerabelli--although I certainly praise the analogy, flawed as it is! good Lafayetee English Dept training))

1. If I won a game like the game 7 in 2003 when my opponent had such a classic and destructive meltdown at the end of game 7, I would find it a hell of a lot easier to accept 2004's debacle and certainly would not dwell on it that long. That's baseball. We have had a whole bunch of epic great wins---now we had an awful loss, one year after such a great win. And if we have a great win over the Phillies, 2004 would never even enter my mind. Big deal. That's over.

2. Now I wasn't a Sox fan in 1986 so I guess I don't know for sure, but are you actually saying that 2004 and even the 2007 series wins did not help to ease that pain somewhat? That would astonish me. Cetainly in my case it would do that. Even as a kid, when the Didgers finally won in 1955, I sure as hell was not gonna think about any previous losses.

3. I'm not a Pats fan either, but if they did win the Super Bowl that sure would help lessen my pain about the undefeated season---but I'm also not the kind of fan who cares much about records, undefeated seasons, "greatest come back ever" kind of stuff. I never think about all that. If I were a yankee fan, that loss in 2004 would not feel any worse than the one where Edgar martinez hit the double, or the one where a rookie Josh Beckett closed it out in Yankee stadium, or when mariano couldn't nail down a World Series that had symbolic value cause of 9/11, or whatever, and certainly it wouldn't feel worse because it was the "greatest choke ever" big deal. I can only hope that in the next 10 years the Sox win 3-4 World Series, even if they lose one in an excruciating way.

I think it's really an example of wishful thinking to believe that the yankee fans are agonizing over the way that loss went down given all the wins they have had.

 

[TheoShmeo]

QUOTE (Zupcic Fan @ Oct 28 2009, 03:07 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2652834
I think it's really an example of wishful thinking to believe that the yankee fans are agonizing over the way that loss went down given all the wins they have had.

Except that many of us know Yankees fans who tell us that 04 still bothers them for the reason I mentioned above: That the Sox winning in 04 converted a perpetual Charlie Brown into something more than that.

 

[God's Cop]

Mike taking the Pedro press conference right now discussing the Zimmer altercation "He said a few bad words about my Mom"

 

[Leather]

Today should be interesting. Please post highlights.

 

[ifmanis5]

QUOTE (drleather2001 @ Oct 29 2009, 09:08 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655113
Today should be interesting. Please post highlights.

I dunno, he may just tip his cap to Lee and brush it off arrogantly. That's what Ordway would do. We'll see.
If I get home in time I'll set up a UStream for the 1st 30 minutes if there's a demand for it.

 

[Deweys New Stance]

QUOTE (ifmanis5 @ Oct 29 2009, 09:13 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655124
I dunno, he may just tip his cap to Lee and brush it off arrogantly. That's what Ordway would do. We'll see.
If I get home in time I'll set up a UStream for the 1st 30 minutes if there's a demand for it.


He'll certainly tip his cap to Lee, but I suspect he'll have criticism for the Yankee pen, especially Hughes for losing his cool, and I imagine he'll call tonight a must-win.

 

[ifmanis5]

Webcasting this now. Find it here: http://www.justin.tv/hulkhands2004


Mike pretty calm so far. Lots of technical problems too.



EDIT--
Archived here for your pleasure: http://www.justin.tv/clip/3a2f5867f81b0130 (1pm) and http://www.justin.tv/clip/f59fbde38b261a11 (1:25pm)

To be honest, not much there, he went the tip your cap and move on direction.

 

[Plantiers Wart]

He actually said game 2 is not a must win - that teams have come back from 2-0, 3-1....to win"

What he left out was that a team has come back from 3-0 to win.....


He says Lee is the only pitcher the Phillies have, that he foresaw the Yanks losing game 1, and that they will win it in 7.

 

[Deweys New Stance]

I hope some Phillie fan calls in and tells him that if he can dismiss Hamels, Pedro, Blanton and Happ that easily, then by the same standard Sabathia is the only pitcher the Yanks have.

 

[Mirabelli28]

As much as I'd like to see a Burnett meltdown tonight, what would be even sweeter is for "Andy" (as Fatso so smugly puts it when mentioning Pettitte) to lose Game 3 in Philly as he tries to steer the series the Yankees way and for Mike to have to explain that. He talks about PettiTTe like he's never lost a postseason game.

 

[Mirabelli28]

Can you imagine WFAN tomorrow if Pedro somehow summons up a gem tonight? (Which I doubt will happen) All of a sudden Jimmy Rollins ain't looking that crazy....

 

[jtn46]

QUOTE (Plantiers Wart @ Oct 29 2009, 01:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655530
He actually said game 2 is not a must win - that teams have come back from 2-0, 3-1....to win"

What he left out was that a team has come back from 3-0 to win.....


He says Lee is the only pitcher the Phillies have, that he foresaw the Yanks losing game 1, and that they will win it in 7.
Such crap. So the Yankees went out and got CC Sabathia, paid him more than any pitcher in the history of the sport, but went into Game 1 of the World Series at home knowing he would lose to Cliff Lee?


I just turned it on to catch Heyman lying through his teeth about the Teixeira situation (he signed because the Red Sox insulted Boras! That's not the story Jon has because he's BFF's with Boras, though...no way...) and about how the Sox offered 35 players for Roy Halladay.

 

[God's Cop]

All I;m hearing all day is that Hinske, HINSKE, is the fucking answer. Two days ago it was Robertson.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

I don't remember Francesa being so prone to self-delusion (or so outright disingenuous?) in the past. First the revelation that the ALCS win over LAA erases '04; now he's maintaining that he fucking expected the Yankees to lose Game 1 with Sabathia on the mound.

Horseshit.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

QUOTE (God's Cop @ Oct 29 2009, 03:38 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655676
All I;m hearing all day is that Hinske, HINSKE, is the fucking answer. Two days ago it was Robertson.

He's played in 3 straight World Series! He must be the answer!

 

[God's Cop]

Someone just called in saying that Girardi should have asked Gerry Davis to check the pine tar on CLiff Lee's hat! WTF?

 

[God's Cop]

QUOTE (Smiling Joe Hesketh @ Oct 29 2009, 03:41 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655683
He's played in 3 straight World Series! He must be the answer!


And he might have the opportunity to be the final out of the series for the second year in a row!

 

[Foulkey Reese]

QUOTE (God's Cop @ Oct 29 2009, 03:41 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655685
Someone just called in saying that Girardi should have asked Gerry Davis to check the pine tar on CLiff Lee's hat! WTF?

Well something had to cause the Yankees to lose. It couldn't just be that Cliff Lee out pitched them. Yankee fans at work today are enraged that Lee for that casual catch on the Damon pop up. They're obsessing over it.

 

[God's Cop]

QUOTE (Foulkey Reese @ Oct 29 2009, 03:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655693
Well something had to cause the Yankees to lose. It couldn't just be that Cliff Lee out pitched them. Yankee fans at work today are enraged that Lee for that casual catch on the Damon pop up. They're obsessing over it.

Totally. Also, it was clearly Rosin on his hat anyway.

 

[Foulkey Reese]

I loved that Utley's first HR was a classic Yankee Stadium cheapie.

 

[jtn46]

QUOTE (Foulkey Reese @ Oct 29 2009, 03:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655693
Well something had to cause the Yankees to lose. It couldn't just be that Cliff Lee out pitched them. Yankee fans at work today are enraged that Lee for that casual catch on the Damon pop up. They're obsessing over it.
I heard a Yankee caller on the way home from work this morning complaining because the umps reversed that call so they ultimately got it right, which he admitted. He would apparently prefer his team win games with help from the umpires.

 

[Mirabelli28]

Even after the disaster of 2004 Yankee fans are STILL conditioned to believe it is their birthright to win every year. It's like they learned NOTHING from that experience. Remember back then the familiar refrain was "well, even the Red Sox can get lucky once every 90 years." That's why 2007 proving it was no fluke was so important to Sox fans as well.

 

[NYCSox]

QUOTE (jtn46 @ Oct 29 2009, 03:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655700
I heard a Yankee caller on the way home from work this morning complaining because the umps reversed that call so they ultimately got it right, which he admitted. He would apparently prefer his team win games with help from the umpires.


You think?

 

[TheoShmeo]

QUOTE (Foulkey Reese @ Oct 29 2009, 03:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655698
I loved that Utley's first HR was a classic Yankee Stadium cheapie.

I've been chuckling about that all day.

And with all those lefties facing AJ tonight....

 

[Deweys New Stance]

QUOTE (jtn46 @ Oct 29 2009, 03:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655700
I heard a Yankee caller on the way home from work this morning complaining because the umps reversed that call so they ultimately got it right, which he admitted. He would apparently prefer his team win games with help from the umpires.


Have you ever heard an MFY fan express embarrassment over Jeffrey Maier?

 

[SteveCrawford]

QUOTE (jtn46 @ Oct 29 2009, 03:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655700
I heard a Yankee caller on the way home from work this morning complaining because the umps reversed that call so they ultimately got it right, which he admitted. He would apparently prefer his team win games with help from the umpires.

I heard this too at the end of Tony Paige's overnight show as I was waking up. I couldn't believe it and had to get up and fully listen and thought maybe the caller was kidding, but he wasn't. Caller was all c'mon if we had Cano on first with one out you never know what might happen. Whining 'the umps hadn't reversed any all playoffs why they do it tonight'. Paige should have crushed the guy but let him off easy.

 

[brs3]

I'm curious if Francessa has seen Pedro pitch at all this season. My money is on No. I don't think he has any idea. He claims Pedro has no out pitch. Though I think Petey's control on all his pitches is the difference this season.

 

[God's Cop]

QUOTE (brs3 @ Oct 29 2009, 04:35 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655766
I'm curious if Francessa has seen Pedro pitch at all this season. My money is on No. I don't think he has any idea. He claims Pedro has no out pitch. Though I think Petey's control on all his pitches is the difference this season.


All I ask is for Pedro to have a quick 1st inning. Give them no momentum at all.

 

[God's Cop]

Quality, articulate radio.

 

[mcpickl]

Holy hell that was awesome.

Did he forget he was on the air?

 

[Remagellan]

QUOTE (Mirabelli28 @ Oct 29 2009, 03:24 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655645
As much as I'd like to see a Burnett meltdown tonight, what would be even sweeter is for "Andy" (as Fatso so smugly puts it when mentioning Pettitte) to lose Game 3 in Philly as he tries to steer the series the Yankees way and for Mike to have to explain that. He talks about PettiTTe like he's never lost a postseason game.


Andy Pettitte's track record is pretty much one great playoff start followed by a disastrous playoff start. He was horrible in Game 6 of the 2003 ALCS, a game I feel is destined to be the most underrated Red Sox playoff victory in history because of what followed the next night. Untouchable aces do not put their teams in early holes as frequently as Pettitte has in his postseason career. He is far from an automatic.

We were privileged to watch an automatic when Schilling took the mound for us in the playoffs. Andy Pettitte is no Curt Schilling.

 

[ifmanis5]

Mike waxing poetic about Pedro's performance last night and killing knucklehead Yankee fans for booing him. Killed a caller "you know NOTHING about baseball" for knocking him. Good stuff.

 

[JimMonaghan]

QUOTE (ifmanis5 @ Oct 30 2009, 02:01 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2658373
Mike waxing poetic about Pedro's performance last night and killing knucklehead Yankee fans for booing him. Killed a caller "you know NOTHING about baseball" for knocking him. Good stuff.

That might have been as aggressive as I have ever heard Mike get with a caller. I kept waiting for the guy to call back and just start MF'ing Mike.

 

[cheekydave]

QUOTE (mcpickl @ Oct 29 2009, 06:13 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2655866
Holy hell that was awesome.

Did he forget he was on the air?


Do tell?

 

[Buster Olney the Lonely]

Did you guys see this video of Mike falling asleep on the air?

 

[rembrat]

That was awesome. "I understand, I think it's fair, I have no issue.."

You also have no idea what the caller was talking about.

 

[God's Cop]

"That Damon at bat will forever stand in Yankee lore"
:barf:

 

[cheekydave]

Worth flipping on now, apparently Mushnick called Mike anti-semitic, I don't know that whole story yet, but Mike is responding, good radio/tv.

 

[Dan Murfman]

QUOTE (cheekydave @ Nov 2 2009, 03:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2664191
Worth flipping on now, apparently Mushnick called Mike anti-semitic, I don't know that whole story yet, but Mike is responding, good radio/tv.

From Mushnick's column today:

Days after the 9/11 attacks, Francesa, global affairs expert (it's a gift), launched two bigoted, backwoods and facts-depraving commentaries blaming both Israel and American Jews for America's peril at the hands of terrorists.

Francesa also said the Jews he knows are disloyal Americans in that they would go to war to defend Israel but not the United States.

In the wake of an attack on the U.S. by Islamic lunatics, Francesa even called upon American Jews to prove their virtue as Americans, to choose between Israel, which he called "a failed experiment," and the U.S.

Mushnick vs Francessa

 

[God's Cop]

He was also going on about how the Yanks should pitch Gaudin tonight, because it's a "throw away game".