He's going on and on about 'no SB in 10 years!!!!'
He's not really making an actual point, though.
He's not really making an actual point, though.
Mike'd Up: The Mike Francesa Show
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Among the definitions of Original Sin:
BB surpassing Parcells in the coaching pantheon and, even worse, doing so after very publicly breaking with Parcells and a NY team and winning with a Boston team no less.
In Mike's mind, nobody is sending his only begotten son to redeem this one.
This renders everything clear. Even if Mike has had his falling out with Parcells, this was still in the family. BB left the family.
BB surpassing Parcells in the coaching pantheon and, even worse, doing so after very publicly breaking with Parcells and a NY team and winning with a Boston team no less.
In Mike's mind, nobody is sending his only begotten son to redeem this one.
This renders everything clear. Even if Mike has had his falling out with Parcells, this was still in the family. BB left the family.
As Pat fans we are disappointed that they've not won a SB since 2004. But FF going on about how they've been in the post-season every year for 10 years and haven't won anything ('losing in every imaginable way") seems to miss the point.
That they have been in a position for the better part of 15 years to win a championship every fucking year is pretty amazing. And with a little luck, they might have had 3 more titles.
His disdain for them is so thick and obvious, but its his show.
That they have been in a position for the better part of 15 years to win a championship every fucking year is pretty amazing. And with a little luck, they might have had 3 more titles.
His disdain for them is so thick and obvious, but its his show.
He's playing you, priming pump for next 2 weeks. If Pats lose, he brings dirt and shovels Monday. If they win, he trolls until SB. Trolls Pats fans, who feed the beast by calling in against better judgment. Trolls NYers by feeding their reflexive sense of resentment.
We are the fools for playing.
We are the fools for playing.
You're right.
And even if the Pats beat SEA in the Bowl, he would be able to parlay that into trolling Jets fans for months and months. He kind of can't lose in the sense that he can re-frame the conversation or go after a different audience no matter the result.
And even if the Pats beat SEA in the Bowl, he would be able to parlay that into trolling Jets fans for months and months. He kind of can't lose in the sense that he can re-frame the conversation or go after a different audience no matter the result.
Its fun, we know the drill and his biases.
Pretty soon he's going to be talking about the Rangers and Islanders, so he has to throw some red-meat out to the Boston-haters.
Pretty soon he's going to be talking about the Rangers and Islanders, so he has to throw some red-meat out to the Boston-haters.
someone should ask his thoughts on Tom Landry and the Cowboys of the 70s and early 80s. Because they had a similar run to the Patriots of the last 13 years and they became America's Team. But 9 AFC Championships, 5 Super Bowls and 3 Super Bowl wins is apparently chump change in this salary cap erabankshot1 said:
As pathetic as Mike has ever been. The vitriol and resentment has totally clouded whatever logical thinking he once had.
Mike has turned the TV off in anger and has retreated to his conservatory for a brandy and knife sharpening. Two weeks of Seattle Fan #1 coming up.
as he should. The Patriots game wasn't close. The Packers-Seahawks game is a better talk topicDahabenzapple2 said:
redsoxcentury said:
The other ones I always think about in this regard are Chuck Noll and Don Shula. Noll coached the Steelers for 23 years and won his fourth Super Bowl with them in year 11; Shula coached the Dolphins for 26 seasons and won his last Super Bowl in his FOURTH season with the team. Did those droughts diminish their legacies? Did it make them any less "IMMOARTLL"?
In his mind, Walsh is better than Belichick because Walsh went to three Super Bowls and never lost one. The fact that Belichick is taking his sixth team to the Super Bowl actually weighs against him because two of them didn't win the final game.
It's spoiled MFY thinking through and through in which the only measure of a successful season is a championship. More reasonable people understand that a sustained period of annually being in competition for championships is something to be celebrated, and getting to a Super Bowl is better than not getting there regardless of the outcome of the game.
Rema, one other little tidbit is that Parcells never made a Super Bowl appearance without Belichick by his side. I'm a Parcells guy but am still disappointed that the Giants went with Ray Handley over Belichick after the 1990 Super Bowl. Belichick will be making his 9th Super Bowl appearance as a DC or HC.
That is totally wrong. BB left for Cleveland after the Super Bowl. Parcells did not immediately step down and Handley was hired in May of 1991. BB was not going to wait for Parcells surprise resignation.Montana Fan said:
jsinger121 said:
You are correct on the timing. All else is memory but there was speculation during the season that Parcells would not come back due to health issues.
I have a feeling Niners fans will be having a similar discussion 20 years from now since they just hired the 21st century version of Ray Handley.
But you're right that the whole Parcells versus Belichick/Kraft thing is the main reason why Francesa hates the Pats.
I wonder if he'll be on today. He usually doesn't work on MLK Day because the Knicks play an afternoon game on this day, but today they're playing the Pelicans at 5:30 so maybe they'll squeeze in a shortened version of his show. I expect we'll hear something about "Deflate-gate", but he'll dismiss it and say the Colts weren't going to win anyway.
But you're right that the whole Parcells versus Belichick/Kraft thing is the main reason why Francesa hates the Pats.
I wonder if he'll be on today. He usually doesn't work on MLK Day because the Knicks play an afternoon game on this day, but today they're playing the Pelicans at 5:30 so maybe they'll squeeze in a shortened version of his show. I expect we'll hear something about "Deflate-gate", but he'll dismiss it and say the Colts weren't going to win anyway.
In Mike's mind Eli's 2-for-2 is more impressive than Brady's x-for-6 because 'Eli's a winnah.'
This has always mystified me. Look, Montana went 4-0 in Super Bowls. We get it. Let's say the Pats win and Brady is 4-2 in Super Bowls. There are people who think that going 4-0 in Super Bowls is more impressive than going 4-2 because….unbeaten, blah blah blah. But all it really means is that Brady led his team to the Super Bowl two more times than Montana did. And *THAT* is more impressive, isn't it?
I mean, it's like the Marlins are 2-0 in the World Series. Say another team - the Cardinals - are 2-2 in the World Series over the same time span, are we supposed to think that the Marlins' 2-0 is more impressive than the Cardinals' 2-2? Why? After all, the Cardinals have won their league two more times than the Marlins did over the same span.
In Eli's non-SB-winning years, here's what he's done:
2005 - 11-5, lost WC (one and done)
2006 - 8-8, lost WC (one and done)
2008 - 12-4, lost Divisional (one and done)
2009 - 8-8, missed playoffs
2010 - 10-6, missed playoffs
2012 - 9-7, missed playoffs
2013 - 7-9, missed playoffs
2014 - 6-10, missed playoffs
So aside from two magical playoff runs, Eli has missed the playoffs 5 out of 8 years, and went one-and-done in the other three. Not saying he didn't come up big in those two SB runs, because he did, and that's a lot more than a lot of other NFL quarterbacks can claim. But my goodness.
I mean, it's like the Marlins are 2-0 in the World Series. Say another team - the Cardinals - are 2-2 in the World Series over the same time span, are we supposed to think that the Marlins' 2-0 is more impressive than the Cardinals' 2-2? Why? After all, the Cardinals have won their league two more times than the Marlins did over the same span.
In Eli's non-SB-winning years, here's what he's done:
2005 - 11-5, lost WC (one and done)
2006 - 8-8, lost WC (one and done)
2008 - 12-4, lost Divisional (one and done)
2009 - 8-8, missed playoffs
2010 - 10-6, missed playoffs
2012 - 9-7, missed playoffs
2013 - 7-9, missed playoffs
2014 - 6-10, missed playoffs
So aside from two magical playoff runs, Eli has missed the playoffs 5 out of 8 years, and went one-and-done in the other three. Not saying he didn't come up big in those two SB runs, because he did, and that's a lot more than a lot of other NFL quarterbacks can claim. But my goodness.
"This was the worst of the three Colts teams of the three years"
"They didn't belong in this game"
"The only thing that came out of this game is another accusation against the Pats"
He is nothing if not thoroughly predictable
"They didn't belong in this game"
"The only thing that came out of this game is another accusation against the Pats"
He is nothing if not thoroughly predictable
"Very balanced, very good game. Vaunted Seahaws defense plus Marshawn Lynch versus Tom Brady and their cornerback."
"How come in a league with a zillion matchups that when there's an accusation it's the Patriots? How does it follow them every game? Coincidence? Think for yourselves."
What a piece of shit he is.
(paraphrase)
How come the Pats are the only team in the league to be accused of cheating?
Is it a coincidence?
think about it?
(paraphrase)
How come the Pats are the only team in the league to be accused of cheating?
Is it a coincidence?
think about it?
Mike is complaining about the legal 4 OL formations the Patriots are using as a factor in the "cheating" following them around.
Here is an article in the NYT explaining how Eli Manning has the equipment manager doctoring the footballs for him for the whole season by soaking them, scrubbing them, brushing them etc. It takes him months to prepare them to Manning's exact preference.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/sports/football/eli-mannings-footballs-are-months-in-making.html?_r=5
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/sports/football/eli-mannings-footballs-are-months-in-making.html?_r=5
"The Seahawks will have such an easy time with the Patriots' WR's that they will be able to come up with ways to stop Gronkowski"
Same station:
(I was in and out of the car, so I heard only snippets) Craig Carton was absolutely fellating the entire Pats organization this AM.
7-7:15AM was telling Jets fans to just shut up about Belicheat and Deflate-gate and all that, and that the Jets had the chance to keep the best coach in the history of the game and they let him get away. A caller pointed out that BB is kinda riding on TB's coattails, which Carton agreed is part of it, but then pointed out that BB went 11-6 when TB went down and went 16-0 when TB was healthy.
8:15 he was going over the players that the Pats were criticized for cutting/trading, and showing how it worked out for the Pats after all; and how knowing the rules inside and out and using them to your advantage (Ineligible-gate) isnt a sign of cheating, it's a sign of a winning coach who's better, smarter, and wants it more than everyone else in the league.
Thought I was listening to some yahoo calling in on EEI.
(I was in and out of the car, so I heard only snippets) Craig Carton was absolutely fellating the entire Pats organization this AM.
7-7:15AM was telling Jets fans to just shut up about Belicheat and Deflate-gate and all that, and that the Jets had the chance to keep the best coach in the history of the game and they let him get away. A caller pointed out that BB is kinda riding on TB's coattails, which Carton agreed is part of it, but then pointed out that BB went 11-6 when TB went down and went 16-0 when TB was healthy.
8:15 he was going over the players that the Pats were criticized for cutting/trading, and showing how it worked out for the Pats after all; and how knowing the rules inside and out and using them to your advantage (Ineligible-gate) isnt a sign of cheating, it's a sign of a winning coach who's better, smarter, and wants it more than everyone else in the league.
Thought I was listening to some yahoo calling in on EEI.
He already came to the conclusion that the Pats deflated the balls after they were approved and marked by the referee.
How he comes to that conclusion is never explained
How he comes to that conclusion is never explained
His MFYs rode A-Rod's shrunken balls to their last championship. Someone should ask him if he thinks that one is tainted.
Mike psychologically dissecting Belichick and calling for the hammer to drop while dismissing anyone that brings up a differing viewpoint is must listen radio. Best thing to come out of this.
Bad mistake for me listening to the Fat Fuck on the way home.
He has lost his mind.
None of the three Super Bowls mean anything as everything is under suspicion. Who knows what else they have done?
No other team has ever taped a walk through or practice of another team.
Completely false of course.
He has deep seated resentments and hatred for all things Belichick.
No opposing views welcome. He agreed with one called that Belichick should be banned for life.
He has lost his mind.
None of the three Super Bowls mean anything as everything is under suspicion. Who knows what else they have done?
No other team has ever taped a walk through or practice of another team.
Completely false of course.
He has deep seated resentments and hatred for all things Belichick.
No opposing views welcome. He agreed with one called that Belichick should be banned for life.
I had turn it off. He went off the rails today with his commentary. He is the Rush Limbaugh of sports talk. No dissenting views welcome.
The topic doesn't matter when it comes to taking calls and receiving viewpoints contrary to his own. I don't listen often but I usually get a good laugh out of it whenever somebody calls and says something like "Hey Mike, love the show, I just wanted to respond to what you said about X" and Mike just cuts him out and GOES OFF even though the caller doesn't even have the chance to refute, respond to, or agree with Mike's point. It's clear where he believes he stands in relation to just about everybody else.
I only ever listen when there's literally nothing else on in the car. I wouldn't go near it on a day like today when he has nothing to offer but his old-ass bitterness. My girlfriend's dad worships him. Can't wait to make him pay for the wedding.
I only ever listen when there's literally nothing else on in the car. I wouldn't go near it on a day like today when he has nothing to offer but his old-ass bitterness. My girlfriend's dad worships him. Can't wait to make him pay for the wedding.
Dahabenzapple2 said:
The MFY teams he worshipped growing up were led to championships by "The Chairman of the (Emery) Board" Whitey Ford, who used to doctor the baseball on his belt buckle or have Yogi Berra cut the ball on the sharpened buckle of his shin guard. Someone should ask him if he thinks all those MFY championships should be vacated and both Ford and Berra tossed out of the Hall of Fame.
That doctoring of the balls had a far more significant effect on the game than what the Pats may or may not have done with these balls.