Yeah the more I think about it the more I just stay at 34 and draft him.AD Mitchell. Ideal X receiver. Pairing him with Maye would be an outstanding one-two punch of a draft class.
I have heard more than enough talk about culture and medicals to give me pause about AD, particularly with Coleman, McConkey, and Franklin available too.AD Mitchell. Ideal X receiver. Pairing him with Maye would be an outstanding one-two punch of a draft class.
Yup. But I have feeling Buf ruins my dream.AD Mitchell. Ideal X receiver. Pairing him with Maye would be an outstanding one-two punch of a draft class.
Isn’t he a major concussion risk?Powers-Johnson should be under consideration. I think he's my pick at 34.
The lack of production with that athletic profile worries me a lot. But then again, I also think Quinn Ewers sucks, so I'm torn.Yeah the more I think about it the more I just stay at 34 and draft him.
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I think Buffalo is going DeJean or trading pick to someone that wants him. But if they go WR, I think they might go McConkey.Yup. But I have feeling Buf ruins my dream.
Is he? I'm not sure. I'd just like to see them lock down the C position and he seems like he could be a 10-year starter. Feels like a safe pick.Isn’t he a major concussion risk?
Mitchell then Coleman for me.
+1, Andrews is on the back 9 and JPJ could start day one if necessary.Powers-Johnson should be under consideration. I think he's my pick at 34.
edit: just saw this. Agree completely. Can still target OT in the 40s and get a bonus pick somewhere from someone who's desperate somewhere else. Being at the top of day 2 is pretty awesome. Bet the phone has been ringing non-stop for hours now.My ultimate preference would be trading back a few spots and snagging Suamataia.
I don't really like Mitchell (production and work ethic concerns), and I don't know that I want to spend 34 on a slot (Coleman, McConkey)... Troy Franklin would probably be my WR pick early 2nd.
going away from those positions... Newton, DeJean and JPJ are probably BPA to me.
Reports are that Powers-Johnson has had multiple serious concussions during his career. I'd pass.Isn’t he a major concussion risk?
Just looked at his game log and YIKES. Only 3 games out of 14 with more than 3 catches. 47% of his yards came in 21% of his games. The "good" news is those 3 games were all against ranked teams. But Big 12 where they don't play defense.The lack of production with that athletic profile worries me a lot. But then again, I also think Quinn Ewers sucks, so I'm torn.
He had worst in college football level yards per route run. But from the admitedly little I watched of him, he didn't seem like a bad route runner, so who knows what caused it (aside from the QB who struggles hitting the broad side of a barn past 10 yards).Just looked at his game log and YIKES. Only 3 games out of 14 with more than 3 catches. 47% of his yards came in 21% of his games. The "good" news is those 3 games were all against ranked teams. But Big 12 where they don't play defense.
I think the King is the right pick here, but not sure you can go back and still get him or Paul. None of the other tackles have the physical & athletic profile of these two. Other teams are going to be aggressive.My ultimate preference would be trading back a few spots and snagging Suamataia.
I don't really like Mitchell (production and work ethic concerns), and I don't know that I want to spend 34 on a slot (Coleman, McConkey)... Troy Franklin would probably be my WR pick early 2nd.
going away from those positions... Newton, DeJean and JPJ are probably BPA to me.
yeah I can definitely see the argument that Suamataia won't last. 41 is the spot I was looking at for tradedown as well.I think the King is the right pick here, but not sure you can go back and still get him or Paul. None of the other tackles have the physical & athletic profile of these two. Other teams are going to be aggressive.
Hot take - the Pats do move down to 41, pick up 126 and 202 from the Packers, then draft Kneeland.
Yes. I'd have to call my doctor in 4 hours if it works out this way.Sumataia/Wilson would be a good 2/3 to me.
I was going to ask which Wilson. Kingsley and Johnny Wilson would be great. Roman is too similar to what we already have. Has to be a tackle at 34. There will be receiving options at 68 plus theres still the trade for a receiver option (as much as I'm not sold on Aiyuk it's being floated.)Sumataia/Wilson would be a good 2/3 to me.
Kinda wish they'd traded up into the late first, one of Worthy/Guyton/Pearsall/Legette would look awfully good.
My thoughts exactly. And if they trade down too far and somebody jumps them for Suamataia, Paul would be a perfectly fine substitute.My ultimate preference would be trading back a few spots and snagging Suamataia.
I don't really like Mitchell (production and work ethic concerns), and I don't know that I want to spend 34 on a slot (Coleman, McConkey)... Troy Franklin would probably be my WR pick early 2nd.
going away from those positions... Newton, DeJean and JPJ are probably BPA to me.
The depth at key positions helps the Patriots to me.... like most years Suamataia probably goes in the 20s, same for some of the WRs.It is frustrating that the Patriots have a top of the round pick for the first time in forever but have a draft year that has been mostly offense. Their three positions of need were 19 of the first round picks. Seven WRs and six OTs off the board. The only outsized value now arguably is defense.
Is one of the tackles left a plug and play? Doesn’t seem like it.
Trading seems like the move if we can find someone who really wants DeJean or one of the other guys enough to pony up. I guess I would be moderately hopeful/excited about Mitchell.
Do any of the teams that drafted OTs have serviceable vets that now might be available for trade?
I think this is what they try and do. I know a lot of people like AM, but his production/efficiency stats seem like giant red flags.My ultimate preference would be trading back a few spots and snagging Suamataia.
I don't really like Mitchell (production and work ethic concerns), and I don't know that I want to spend 34 on a slot (Coleman, McConkey)... Troy Franklin would probably be my WR pick early 2nd.
going away from those positions
I don't know, but looking at the guys taken, the only one I saw usually available to NE in mock drafts was Morgan, and he profiles more as a OG. So, it looks like the OT market in the draft is about what could be expected.Is one of the tackles left a plug and play? Doesn’t seem like it.
Well if Sum is really an arguable first round talent, I guess you don’t screw around and maybe just take him. We have receivers — such as they are — and with cap space can probably find someone somehow when the dust settles. LTs don’t grow on trees and we can’t start the year with what we have.The depth at key positions helps the Patriots to me.... like most years Suamataia probably goes in the 20s, same for some of the WRs.
I really like DeJean as a matchup piece they could play all over, if there's still a lot of Bill in the defensive philosophy and coaching he'll be under heavy consideration at 34. Wouldn't mind it either, though I'd rather a receiver.I think the Pats still could use another elite corner, and wouldn't be stunned if they picked DeJean if he's still there at 34. Stopping all these great WRs is still pretty important. It would give them a really nice group of corners.
I remember when the Pats dragged Ras Dowling at the top of round 2 and a reporter asked BB about some of the player’s question marks and injury history. Bill’s response, to paraphrase, was that if a player has no question marks, he’s probably the first pick in the draft. It’s all about risk, reward, and coaching up - more and more as the rounds go by. I’m in favor of staying put to get Kingsley or Paul, guys with the tools to be high quality tackles. They’re the last 2 who profile like that.It is frustrating that the Patriots have a top of the round pick for the first time in forever but have a draft year that has been mostly offense. Their three positions of need were 19 of the first round picks. Seven WRs and six OTs off the board. The only outsized value now arguably is defense.
Is one of the tackles left a plug and play? Doesn’t seem like it.
Trading seems like the move if we can find someone who really wants DeJean or one of the other guys enough to pony up. I guess I would be moderately hopeful/excited about Mitchell.
Do any of the teams that drafted OTs have serviceable vets that now might be available for trade?
That to me sounded like sour grapes that they couldn't move up. There are lots of trades now, I think what has gone away is the idea of a shared set value for picks, like I think the charts are basically done now.One of the interesting things about the Belichick coverage last night was when Payton was on and said he missed having guys like Belichick around on draft day, because it is nice to have guys you can rely on to give you a straight fair trade deal quickly. He seemed to be saying that the younger guys hand wring and are not decisive. Having the overnight is good after round one for teams to really see where they are and to have longer conversations, but it seemed like Payton was saying nobody wants to wheel and deal any more.
Yeah, I think guys are operating under completely different parameters regarding the value of draft picks and Payton probably misses people who spoke his language and made deals easier.That to me sounded like sour grapes that they couldn't move up. There are lots of trades now, I think what has gone away is the idea of a shared set value for picks, like I think the charts are basically done now.
I was thinking Roman, but I'd double dip on Wilson's and go Johnny in the 4th.I was going to ask which Wilson. Kingsley and Johnny Wilson would be great. Roman is too similar to what we already have. Has to be a tackle at 34. There will be receiving options at 68 plus theres still the trade for a receiver option (as much as I'm not sold on Aiyuk it's being floated.)
I think you can also throw some later round darts at WRs. Guys like Corley, A. Smith, McCaffrey, Thrash, McMillan, Washington, Means...I'd rather they prioritized the line.Well if Sum is really an arguable first round talent, I guess you don’t screw around and maybe just take him. We have receivers — such as they are — and with cap space can probably find someone somehow when the dust settles. LTs don’t grow on trees and we can’t start the year with what we have.
Word. There will be real Xs at the top of the third and even some college Xs/pro Zs that can get deep too. Hell, even a truly dynamic slot would improve this offense materially, though I'm biased towards getting a guy who can stretch the field and improve the opportunities for the flotsam we already have. We were far too easy to defend last year.I think you can also throw some later round darts at WRs. Guys like Corley, A. Smith, McCaffrey, Thrash, McMillan, Washington, Means...I'd rather they prioritized the line.
So here is to an extent my concern about WR.... a lot of the best guys left are slots... McConkey is a slot, I think Coleman (despite his size) is a slot OR they have significant concerns/similarities to guys they have... Mitchell has effort, attitude, production and medical concerns, Troy Franklin is built like Tyquan Thornton and has iffy hands.There's a lot of talent at WR and it's a key need so that's what they should do at 34. The way y'all are talking about it though, are those high 2nd round picks not as valuable as they used to be? I remember BB saying he used to consider them the best value in the draft.
That said, if they feel DeJean, Newton, or Koolaid is the beez neez then I won't be too upset.
There's no OT graded high enough to take at 34 and even if they trade down how much draft capital are they really gonna get in return?
HOMER ALERT: But if they want to get help protecting the edges, they could take a look at AJ Barner (or more generally inline TE prospects with +run blocking) later on.
TL;DR - Take a WR. There's lots of good ones left and good scouting should yield a productive starter.