MLB and MLBPA have a deal

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As fans, this is the best we could have hoped for:

162 game season (barring some horrific new variant)
None of the gimmicky rules of the last two seasons
12-team playoffs instead of 14
Universal DH
Chance to a pitch clock in 2023
And, most importantly, five years before we have to worry about this again.

If the first week of April is cold and rainy in Boston, we'll be glad the opener got pushed back.
Yup, including the last one. Late March/early April is always bad. My ideal opening day is more like the old time154 game schedule which started closer to mid April.
 

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Am I the only one kinda upset at the end of pitchers batting?
Other than Zack Greinke, I never want to see a pitcher hit in an important spot. I mean, there are bright moments like Colon hitting a HR, or Rick Porcello with a double into the gap, but in general, it creates a lot of anticlimax in what could be big innings.

Plus, now we won't have to tie ourselves in knots trying to compare strike out totals for pitchers across leagues!
 

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Am I the only one kinda upset at the end of pitchers batting?
I'm there with you. It's a deeply unpopular opinion but I really liked the strategy of NL games and the imperative to actually use their bench hitters/pinch runners... especially since we didn't have to deal with it in the AL and got to enjoy Big Papi for a decade.

Other than Zack Greinke, I never want to see a pitcher hit in an important spot. I mean, there are bright moments like Colon hitting a HR, or Rick Porcello with a double into the gap, but in general, it creates a lot of anticlimax in what could be big innings.
But often you wouldn't, teams would just PH for the pitcher. Especially with most starters out of the game after the 5th inning these days I don't remember too many instances of this happening in games I watched recently.
 

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I wonder if they’ll tack on the Rays or O’s series at the end. Both currently end the season with two series on the road. I think I’d rather have double headers vs. O’s
 

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Wait---both Michael Kay and Alex Rodriguez are calling play-off games? I really hope that they have those alternate stats-oriented games so that I don't have to hear them, esp. Kay. Kay?
 

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I'll be interested to find out over the next few days what objections the MLBPA executive board had to the agreement when they voted 8-0 against it. What were they not satisfied with, what did they want to continue to negotiate? I certainly have my own opinions about that but wonder what theirs were.
 

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One interesting nugget in the new agreement: Starting in 2023, the schedule will feature fewer divisional games, and every team will play at least one series against every other opponent, including in the other league. The exact format is still being determined.
View: https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1502062106862137351


About damn time. (Looking at you AL central)
This should make things more balanced than they currently are.
 

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Hope these are worn for the home opener, if only for the color scheme:
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So NL teams need to start signing some sluggers. Who are the free agent mashers besides Schwarber and Nelson Cruz?
https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker
Am I the only one kinda upset at the end of pitchers batting?
Pitchers batting one of those things that I like in concept (harkens back to yesteryear, novelty, occasional hilarity, etc.), but sucks in practice. How many times does the 8 hitter work a walk to make it 1st and 2nd with 2 outs in the 3rd, only to be followed by the likes of a Nick Pivetta dragging a bat up to the plate? Good riddance.
A lot of baseball fans are older (as I am), and I bet they don't fit into that demographic. Maybe kids will like them?
Advertising in Baseball used to be a lot more repulsive, IMO.
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One interesting nugget in the new agreement: Starting in 2023, the schedule will feature fewer divisional games, and every team will play at least one series against every other opponent, including in the other league. The exact format is still being determined.
View: https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1502062106862137351


About damn time. (Looking at you AL central)
This should make things more balanced than they currently are.
Yes! Down with the unbalanced schedule.
 

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Playing every team in the league in at least one series is 87 games right there. So will be a lot less infra division games I’d assume? I think 18 or whatever they play now is too many but if they only play the Yankees 2-3 series, it feels like not enough. More games in different time zones might not be ideal for TV
 

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I guess this is how the CBA works but changing a million things at once seems to make it harder to figure out what ends up working and what doesn’t.
 

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Playing every team in the league in at least one series is 87 games right there. So will be a lot less infra division games I’d assume? I think 18 or whatever they play now is too many but if they only play the Yankees 2-3 series, it feels like not enough. More games in different time zones might not be ideal for TV
Going to be a few 2 game series. Already the Braves/Red Sox and the other fake geo rivalries do that.
 

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How late will this season go? Baseball on Veterans' Day doesn't seem a stretch now.
I think under the old playoff system, Game 7 of the World Series was going to fall before Halloween. Seems like with the make-up series added to the end and the new wildcard format, that's probably going to push the old schedule back a week. So I think they should be done before Veterans Day, but not by much.
 

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Playing every team in the league in at least one series is 87 games right there. So will be a lot less infra division games I’d assume? I think 18 or whatever they play now is too many but if they only play the Yankees 2-3 series, it feels like not enough. More games in different time zones might not be ideal for TV
48 games against opposite league. 60 against other divisions in your league. 54 against your own division. As an example. Lots of possible solutions that work and make sense.
 

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Pitchers batting one of those things that I like in concept (harkens back to yesteryear, novelty, occasional hilarity, etc.), but sucks in practice. How many times does the 8 hitter work a walk to make it 1st and 2nd with 2 outs in the 3rd, only to be followed by the likes of a Nick Pivetta dragging a bat up to the plate? Good riddance.
I mostly agree, but I kind of wish that Ohtani got to finish his career before the DH was extended. He had the possibility to be a unique advantage in a no-DH environment.
 

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We talked about this a little bit in the now-moot thread. Its a pool of $ that can be distributed to guys who aren't eligible for arbitration - the 78% of players that aren't eligible for Super 2 and below in service time.

I haven't seen any details but IIRC, the NFL has something like this so I imagine it will be based on metrics so that guys who play better will get something. It's good to bring up the salaries of the low service time players.
Ah, I’d missed that. Thank you.
 

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48 games against opposite league. 60 against other divisions in your league. 54 against your own division. As an example. Lots of possible solutions that work and make sense.
that sounds about right….12 games against each divisional opponent, 6 against other teams in your league, 3 against teams in the other league. Good luck to the schedule makers!
 

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Am I the only one kind of upset that the rank and file players relented?
No, but I tend to dig in and resist what I respond against to irrational extremes. (Edit: of course I say the MLBPA should’ve held the line to at least get more back from ownership and put them up against the deadline to refund RSNs for missed games from the comfort of my couch, rather than settling and getting back to what they want to do.)

Clearly I will be one of the first up against the wall of the revolution doesn’t go my way…
 
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One interesting nugget in the new agreement: Starting in 2023, the schedule will feature fewer divisional games, and every team will play at least one series against every other opponent, including in the other league. The exact format is still being determined.
View: https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1502062106862137351


About damn time. (Looking at you AL central)
This should make things more balanced than they currently are.
Nothing has annoyed me more than anyone (including pundits/ writers I like) complaining about diluting the sanctity of the 162 game season in determines who is the best, without acknowledging that hat the unbalanced schedule makes it a farce…
 

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That's what I said 40 years ago, but they instituted the DH anyway
I get it. But the reality is that the leagues should have the same rules, and there's no way the DH would go away.