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6. Justin Fields (Traded 15, 46, 109 and a 2022 2nd, got back a PHI 2022 6th)
90. Tyson Campbell (Traded 96, 188, 242)
120. Aaron Banks
125 Caden Sterns (traded 122 and a 2022 7th for 125 and MIN 2022 6th)
139 Kylin Hill
197 Jonathan Marshall
203- Jalen Camp (traded 177 for 203 and LV 2022 6th)
90. Tyson Campbell (Traded 96, 188, 242)
120. Aaron Banks
125 Caden Sterns (traded 122 and a 2022 7th for 125 and MIN 2022 6th)
139 Kylin Hill
197 Jonathan Marshall
203- Jalen Camp (traded 177 for 203 and LV 2022 6th)
7. Trey Lance- QB (Traded 15, 96, 177 & '22 2nd)
37. Kadarius Toney- WR (Traded up: 37 for 46, 188, 197)
65. Creed Humphries C/G (Traded up: 120, 139, '22 5th for 65)
122. Bobby Brown III- DT
242. Tony Fields II- LB
Consolidated the picks to get guys I liked at QB, WR, OL then added some defense at the end. Probably a bit too aggressive. That '22 2nd for Lance probably needs to be a 1st and I'm not sure that deal to get to 65 is realistic.
37. Kadarius Toney- WR (Traded up: 37 for 46, 188, 197)
65. Creed Humphries C/G (Traded up: 120, 139, '22 5th for 65)
122. Bobby Brown III- DT
242. Tony Fields II- LB
Consolidated the picks to get guys I liked at QB, WR, OL then added some defense at the end. Probably a bit too aggressive. That '22 2nd for Lance probably needs to be a 1st and I'm not sure that deal to get to 65 is realistic.
Here is my "no trade up" draft. We now own 2022 R3, although if I remember correctly the last time the Pats owned R3, it didn't work out very well.
15 - Patrick Surtain II, CB, Alabama
47 - Jackson Carman, T, Clemson
99 - Trade to Cowboys for 191, 2022 R3
120 - Kellen Mond, QB, Texas A&M
121 - Trade to Denver for 2022 R3
140 - Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson
181 - Reed Blankenship, S, Middle Tennessee
187 - Jaret Patterson, HB, Buffalo
191 - (from Cowboys) Trade with 242 to Saints for 2022 R3
199 - Shane Buechele, QB, SMU
15 - Patrick Surtain II, CB, Alabama
47 - Jackson Carman, T, Clemson
99 - Trade to Cowboys for 191, 2022 R3
120 - Kellen Mond, QB, Texas A&M
121 - Trade to Denver for 2022 R3
140 - Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson
181 - Reed Blankenship, S, Middle Tennessee
187 - Jaret Patterson, HB, Buffalo
191 - (from Cowboys) Trade with 242 to Saints for 2022 R3
199 - Shane Buechele, QB, SMU
Here is my "trade up" draft. I gave up a lot more for 4 than the simulator would have settled for to try to keep it realistic. Tried to throw in Harry too but the Falcons asked for a bag of balls instead.
Trade up to 4 with Falcons for 15, 99, 121, 181, 2022 R1, 2022 R3, Bag of balls.
4 - Zach Wilson, QB, BYU
47 - Walker Little, OT, Stanford
120 - Bobby Brown III, DT, Texas A&M
140 - Traded to Lions with 242 for 2022 R3
187 - Damar Hamlin, S, Pittsburgh
199 - Traded to WFT for 2022 R5
Trade up to 4 with Falcons for 15, 99, 121, 181, 2022 R1, 2022 R3, Bag of balls.
4 - Zach Wilson, QB, BYU
47 - Walker Little, OT, Stanford
120 - Bobby Brown III, DT, Texas A&M
140 - Traded to Lions with 242 for 2022 R3
187 - Damar Hamlin, S, Pittsburgh
199 - Traded to WFT for 2022 R5
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Absolutely no idea what I’m doing... Traded next year‘s first (and more) to get Fields. I would’ve liked a pass catching back in the 3rd or 4th, but no idea who that would be.
4.
Justin Fields
QB Ohio State
96.
Talanoa Hufanga
S USC
109.
Hamilcar Rashed Jr.
EDGE Oregon State
120.
Demetric Felton
WR UCLA
122.
Brady Christensen
OT BYU
182.
Tre McKitty
TE Georgia
188.
Janarius Robinson
EDGE Florida State
197.
Aashari Crosswell
S Arizona State
219.
Marlon Williams
WR UCF
edit - lol, I guess Felton isn‘t even a WR? But by pure luck, that’s the kind of guy I’m hoping for around that spot.
4.
Justin Fields
QB Ohio State
96.
Talanoa Hufanga
S USC
109.
Hamilcar Rashed Jr.
EDGE Oregon State
120.
Demetric Felton
WR UCLA
122.
Brady Christensen
OT BYU
182.
Tre McKitty
TE Georgia
188.
Janarius Robinson
EDGE Florida State
197.
Aashari Crosswell
S Arizona State
219.
Marlon Williams
WR UCF
edit - lol, I guess Felton isn‘t even a WR? But by pure luck, that’s the kind of guy I’m hoping for around that spot.
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PFF's own mock draft has New England taking Lance at #4
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-two-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-san-francisco-49ers-justin-fields-kyle-pitts-joe-burrow-cincinnati-bengals
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-two-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-san-francisco-49ers-justin-fields-kyle-pitts-joe-burrow-cincinnati-bengals
Seems like PFF has updated their board and there are lots of changes regarding who they think are the top players at a bunch of different positions. They also have 5 QBs in the top 13 now.
McShay did a two round mock and had Fields sliding to 11 where the Pats moved up in a trade with the Giants. Interesting.
My thoughts exactly - if there are QBs available at 8-9, Carolina and Denver are taking them IMO
I still think that's too low for any of the QBs. I don't think any of them make it to double-digits
He has the Panthers taking Lance, so it's just DEN passing on Fields. Not impossible at all, if DEN isn't high on Fields (and some teams aren't) they might stick with Lock.
Maybe, but we say that every year about QBs and someone inevitably falls. Partly I think because we over-estimate the willingness of teams in the top 10 to trade out and get the 3rd or 4th position player on their list instead of 1 or 2.
Edit- looking through, if we believe the rumors and SF takes Jones at 3, what are we looking at to see a QB slide out of the top 10?
ATL may go non-QB, Ryan is there a few more years
CIN is set at QB
MIA has Tua
DET- wild card, may want a QB, may be willing to see what they have in Goff
CAR- want a QB
DEN- presumably want a QB, but may not have all 5 guys as worth that pick given they may still believe in Lock
DAL- Just signed DAK
Then there are the trade-up candidates:
PHI- specifically traded out when they decided they couldn't get Wilson
CHI- can they get up from 20? Do they want to? Is anyone willing to go that deep in the 1st on a trade-down
WAS- bit of a win now feel, might be willing to move up though. same concerns as CHI.
PIT- do they have the goods to move up? Does anyone in the top 10 want to move that far down.
NO- Can they afford to not have the cheap salaries that come with draft picks? all the above concerns.
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True, but it does seem as though teams who could take a QB are pretty well bunched in the single digits this year.
Yeah, I edited to spell out the picks. I think ATL stays and goes non-QB. That means you have 3 more teams in the top 10 that might go QB. If you're the Patriots I think the move is to trade with DET if you can. It's the spot most likely to get you one of the top 5 QBs at the lowest cost on draft night. However I don't think it's crazy that a QB could be on the board at 10. 4-7 all taking non-QBs is reasonable, and CAR taking a QB with DEN not liking the last one left enough isn't a terrible bet.
Just did a TDN mock. No trades for me. 5 QBs taken in top 8 picks.
15. Jaycee Horn CB
46. Rondale Moore WR
96. Tyler Shelvin DT
120. Trey Sermon RB
122. Dayo Odeyingbo EDGE
130. Ambry Thomas CB
177. Jamie Newman QB
188. Cade Johnson WR
197. Brenden Jaimes OT
242. Racey McGrath WR
15. Jaycee Horn CB
46. Rondale Moore WR
96. Tyler Shelvin DT
120. Trey Sermon RB
122. Dayo Odeyingbo EDGE
130. Ambry Thomas CB
177. Jamie Newman QB
188. Cade Johnson WR
197. Brenden Jaimes OT
242. Racey McGrath WR
I agree with trading up to the Detroit spot, even if not for the QB, because I just think this will be an outlier draft for the Patriots to have a chance to move that high for a premier player.
I do think, though, that ATL could go QB, especially if next year's crop is as much of a downgrade as early indications have painted it. Although the Falcons could set their sights on one of the second-tier quarterbacks, since Ryan should still have 2-3 productive years left.
I'm curious, which non-QBs do you think would be worth trading up to the DET spot for? Conceivably, some of the top non-QBs (Pitts, Chase, Smith/Waddle, Sewell) would be available. But I'm not sure if I'd be willing to trade a future 1st or #46 for any of these guys with QB still a long-term question.
See this is exactly why they would / could never trade up for a non-QB. Until / unless they have a long term solution on the roster, they need to keep all future bullets available. Giving up either a pick next year or 46 this year would be a criminal offense if they're not getting a QB for their trouble. Otherwise keep accumulating assets until you are ready to strike.
I can be persuaded to this opinion. My reasoning is clearly in and of the moment, as opposed to long-term logistics.
The Falcons are better off with Pitts. Even leaving aside the fact that Ryan is there for a few more years, Pitts gives any ensuing QB a monster weapon. The fourth QB off the board may or may not be a good QB of the future, but Pitts makes any QB there better by default.
I did another mock with the updated PFF board:
15 - Jaycee Horn (CB)
46 - Dillon Radunz (T)
Traded 96 and 139 to Cowboys for 75
75 - Kenneth Gainwell (RB)
Traded 122 and 177 to Packers for 92
92 - Tay Gowan (CB)
122 - Cade Johnson (WR)
188 - Bobby Brown III (DL)
Traded 197 to Dallas for 2022 R5
242 - Sam Ehlinger (QB)
15 - Jaycee Horn (CB)
46 - Dillon Radunz (T)
Traded 96 and 139 to Cowboys for 75
75 - Kenneth Gainwell (RB)
Traded 122 and 177 to Packers for 92
92 - Tay Gowan (CB)
122 - Cade Johnson (WR)
188 - Bobby Brown III (DL)
Traded 197 to Dallas for 2022 R5
242 - Sam Ehlinger (QB)
https://www.pff.com/news/2021-nfl-mock-draft-49ers-take-qb-mac-jones-dolphins-land-te-kyle-pitts-and-washington-new-england-move-up-for-quarterbacks
PFF's latest is interesting. Based on the Mac Jones at 3 idea. WAS trades to 4 and takes Lance. Patriots trade up to 8 and grab Fields.
PFF's latest is interesting. Based on the Mac Jones at 3 idea. WAS trades to 4 and takes Lance. Patriots trade up to 8 and grab Fields.
Mocked the Bears, which is fun because they need help & depth in all areas. By punting on the QB this season, I reloaded the roster to provide a ton of flexibility next year with salary savings & getting aggressive with picks to target a QB in the draft.
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OK this one feels more realistic. Still prob should have traded a pick or two out into 2022.
Loved the first 6 picks. Also filled out some gaps in the 2022 draft cycle.
Not a fan of the Captain America pick, but my binkie Marable was gone.
Loved the first 6 picks. Also filled out some gaps in the 2022 draft cycle.
Not a fan of the Captain America pick, but my binkie Marable was gone.
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I think it's weird how PFF has Gowan ranked at 69, Davis at 63, and Sherwood 67, yet all three of them are usually available well after pick 100.
You gave up 96 to move up 2 spaces in the first and got an A. You got Washington to give you 74 to move down 5 spaces in the second and got a B. I don’t understand the trade values.
I think if you move up, it grades you on one of the points systems (or their own points system) and then grades your actual pick separately based on what the simulator would pick once at that spot. While if you trade back, it may harshly grade you if there was a player available at that spot that the simulator would have chosen over moving back. So in those cases, it's likely not just a straight points value at play. I could be wrong about that, but in any case the trade grades, however they do it, are quirky for sure.
Yeah In that instance I felt there was signfiicant value in trying to bridge the gap that opened up between 46 and 120 in moving up for Jones.
Frankly I was looking at Dickerson at 46 anyway so it worked out.
Connor Orr, SI ... Lance to SF, Jones to Broncos, Fields slides to NE
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04/13/nfl-mock-draft-san-francisco-49ers-trey-lance
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04/13/nfl-mock-draft-san-francisco-49ers-trey-lance
Some familiar binkies from my last draft. A couple things I have made my MO here...
- Again, traded up a few spots to get the QB I wanted. I question whether I would move up even 4 spots with just the 96.
- And again, because there wasn't a slam dunk I wanted at 46, traded BACK a few spots to get an extra pick before 120.
- Would be GIDDY to get Elijah Moore, an elite WR prospect, to pair with a rookie QB
- Otherwise, generally happy to full needs with good players at good value on the board
- I like Patterson, I don't care about this grade
- Bohanna was just taking what felt like the best interior DL left on the board
- Deliberately added a couple 2022's
- Again, traded up a few spots to get the QB I wanted. I question whether I would move up even 4 spots with just the 96.
- And again, because there wasn't a slam dunk I wanted at 46, traded BACK a few spots to get an extra pick before 120.
- Would be GIDDY to get Elijah Moore, an elite WR prospect, to pair with a rookie QB
- Otherwise, generally happy to full needs with good players at good value on the board
- I like Patterson, I don't care about this grade
- Bohanna was just taking what felt like the best interior DL left on the board
- Deliberately added a couple 2022's
One thing I've noticed for both PFN and PFF on the mock draft simulators.... they do not at all buy the Mac Jones to SF rumors. I simmed a bunch out of curiosity... I'd say the top 3 was Lawrence, Wilson Fields 75% of the time, and Lawrence, Wilson, Lance the other 25%.
Yeah, I don't see this as possible. The sim isn't great for trades, it's too easy. Yesterday Kiper had a two round mock where he had the Pats trading up to 10th (Dallas) and giving up their 2022 first rounder. I think to get to 10-11 you are either talking 46 or 2022 first, which to me have somewhat comparable value due to the discounting factor of a year later.
Yeah, I think 15/46 is the price for 10. Maybe you can squeeze a mid round pick out of them as well but that’s pretty much the deal. I don’t think Dallas will be overly motivated to trade back if Surtain is there unless they are confident Horn may be there at 15. They really need a corner.
Agree all around with this.
I'd be willing to part with the 2022 first round pick if the Pats could get something like 75 back in this year's draft to bridge the 46-96 gap. 15 + 2022 first for 10 + 75. Can throw one of the 120-122-139 picks as a sweetener if necessary.
Yeah, that's pretty fair although my guess is that BB would rather trade 15/46 vs. 15/2022 1st. The gap between 46 and 96 is kind of annoying but not a huge issue for me in a year where there really aren't that many available roster spots. And they could easily trade back from 46 to pick up a 3rd, if that pick isn't used to trade up for a QB.
in fairness I probably could have GOTTEN slightly more back for my 2nd trade. May not have completely evened out but closed gap a bit
Would he rather trade 15/46? Then you are talking about taking a QB at (7, 8, 10, 11, whatever) and not having another pick until the very end of the 3rd round. That would be an even tougher gap to bridge. It's not like they don't need more help at the OL, CB, and WR positions.
Probably depends on how bullish he is on the team in 2021. With the FA signings and potential (incremental) Cam improvement, maybe he is comfortable that 2022 1st would be in the 20-30 range and would rather defer the cost a bit. I'm generally very protective of 1st round picks and I'm not giving up a 2022 1st unless I am 100% sure that there is a QB worth spending it on. Assuming there is, then maybe BB would be cool with 15/2022 1st because he'd have his potential franchise QB already in place and would rather add more talent to the current year team.
Right, plus if they do trade up to draft a QB, they won't be drafting a QB next year, so it's not like they 100% need to hang on to the pick for that reason. We're all protective of first round picks but since the 2012 double team of DH and Chandler Jones, their first round picks have not been good (Easley-Brown-Wynn-Michel-Harry). Actually they've been horrible.
True, but that was with TB12 at the helm and not a QB who kills worms with passes. Easley was #29. Brown was #32 (and reasonably serviceable). Wynn was #23 and is good when healthy. Michel was #31 and at least had a very good 1st season with a bounce back last year. Harry was #32 and has been terrible. I know these all have the "first round pick" label but they were all basically early 2nds. In the rare occasions when BB has first round picks below #28 or so, he almost always nails it. Guys like Jones, Hightower, Solder, Mayo, Wilfork, Warren, Graham, Seymour, etc. Only Maroney at #21 was a bit of a miss and even he had some value. So, that's the potential value that we're giving up here and not the Easley/Brown/Michel group, IMO. This year is a perfect example - there will be significant value at #15 so trading away this pick last year instead of a 2nd would have sucked unless you're getting a foundational piece like a Fields/Lance.
Right, I get that this is one of their rare opportunities to pick better than 28th or whatever it has been for the last decade. But as is being discussed in the Pats QB Options thread, the value of a franchise QB is so great that it's worth taking multiple shots at (i.e., using up multiple first rounders).
Yeah, to be clear, I have no issues dealing 15/46 or 15/2022 1st (and more) for a Fields/Lance move. Just would probably prefer dealing 46 vs. 2022 1st but that's just me. Depends who's there at 46, I suppose.
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