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Wait, Kyrie wrote an essay? On instagram? Resembling a screed?

And to think we were worried that his ego would be unaffected by the events of the night.
 

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Very diplomatic of you, Jaylen. Let us handle the venting and getting under the opponent's skin.

Jesus. I think most players, regardless of how they felt, would shrug it off and pretend that it didn't bother them.

And then there's Kyrie's IG post.
 

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Reading that post from Kyrie explains a lot, and also why him and Durant are close friends. I'm sure being an NBA player isn't easy and it is hard to be booed for what you view as a business decision, but it also seems detached from reality. How much money has Kyrie made from playing basketball? Every single dollar he, or anyone else in the NBA, has ever made has been because fans feel passionate enough about the game to spend hours watching games on TV, and hundreds if not thousands of dollars each year on tickets and merchandise. You can't sign a $141 million contract for playing basketball and then whine about it on Instagram when some of that passion turns negative.

I don't believe that just because a fan pays money for something they have the right to say or do anything, and if someone really wishes physical harm on another player who says something particularly vulgar, that isn't cool. But fans chanting "Where is Kyrie?" and a guy dressing up as Waldo and holding a "Where is Kyrie?" sign is all fair game and part of the fun of rooting for a team.

Someone said earlier what it must have been like for an actually intelligent and thoughtful person having like Jaylen having to listen to Kyrie's musings for two years and damn it if that isn't truth.
 

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Honestly, before I saw that Instagram screed, I didn't think that Kyrie was intentionally ducking Boston.

Now? Wowzers.

I mean, jilted lovers send text messages that are concise in comparison.

If anyone is still in the "Kyrie is definitely a normal person who definitely wasn't a problem" camp, I'm now fine saying they're utter morons.
 

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Kyrie is an interesting, odd dude. He reminds me of this bit of psychological insight I once read: If you want to understand someone's motivations, it doesn't matter so much who they are, it's who they think they are. Obviously Kyrie thinks he's some kind of truth teller, peace bringer, connector to higher motivations and spirituality: The Bringer of The Way. He doesn't seem to have a grip on the part of himself that's petty, temperamental, surly, thin-skinned, and withdrawn. There is something genuinely and tragically naive about him.

Anyway, I love the way Danny, Jaylen et al are taking the high road on all things Kyrie. This time, the fans will be more than happy to clean up the boards. ;)
 

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I can’t believe there are only like 10 posts about this.

Kyrie is clearly next level crazy, and we are lucky to be rid of him.
 

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Kyrie’s next move, 100%, will be to try to get sympathy for the state of his mental health. He’s unable to handle not being the hero of a story. It’s really sad.

I genuinely hope gets the help he clearly needs and can step out of the spotlight for awhile. It’s not a good place for him.
 

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Am I the only one to find it unseemly that he has to trot out "my grandfather died" over and over again? Plenty of people foster on after a death in their family, many times a death less expected than the passing of a grandparent.

The guy reneged on a promise he made to Celtics fans and the Celtics organization. He submarined what should have been a season where the team could have made a run at a championship. He then punked out on showing up with his Nets team in Boston when injured, although I can't imagine that travelling a 70 minute flight with a shoulder issue would be much of a problem. I guess when you can't bother when injured to show up to an ECF game 7 against your own team, where maybe one or two insights might help, or maybe when your moral support of young teammates in their most pressured situations might be helpful, not showing up to support your teammates in an early season game is no big deal. (and I'm not buying the excuse that he couldn't attend that game due to an operation on his nose).

Kyrie will be persona non grata in Boston for the rest of his career, mostly because the fan base sees him as a selfish diva. If a lunch pail type like Marcus Smart ever leaves as a FA, he would probably be greeted warmly. The reaction to Al Horford's return will be interesting. I will be there and will not be booing. I wouldn't be surprised to hear a "Kyrie Sucks" chant at the Garden even when the Nets aren't playing. It would be great to hear it when AL is announced, just to get the point across that the fans aren't mad about him leaving.
 

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Despite his considerable on-court ability, he is on the verge of becoming radioactive.
I'll never think of potassium iodide the same way.

Kyrie’s next move, 100%, will be to try to get sympathy for the state of his mental health. He’s unable to handle not being the hero of a story. It’s really sad.
I genuinely hope gets the help he clearly needs and can step out of the spotlight for awhile. It’s not a good place for him.
But ultimately, this. And if thereare mental health issues at play, he does deserve something other than abuse.

Am I the only one to find it unseemly that he has to trot out "my grandfather died" over and over again? Plenty of people foster on after a death in their family, many times a death less expected than the passing of a grandparent.
Plenty of people don't.
 

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Despite his considerable on-court ability, he is on the verge of becoming radioactive.
I'll never think of potassium iodide the same way.


But ultimately, this. And if thereare mental health issues at play, he does deserve something other than abuse.


Plenty of people don't.
It’s true. No doubt. But losing grandparents once you hit your mid 20s should be expected. Literally everyone has this happen to them. We aren’t talking about an IT situation here. To be clear are you saying plenty of people don’t get over unexpected deaths? If so I agree. But if you are saying plenty of people don’t get over losing their grandparents in their mid 20s... that’s a bridge too far IMO.
 

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Kyrie is/was OVERRATED in every aspect. Attitude. Leadership. and Play....yes on-court play.

Basketball is a team sport, and as a PG he was unable to get the best out of his teammates.

He only won big with Bron, otherwise, he's a great scorer, not a great player. NOT top 20 IMO.

On Thanksgiving Day I'm giving thanks to having Kemba at PG, Smart leading this team, Brad back to coaching, Brown/Tatum leaping, all the new Rookies and glad to move on from the diva.
 
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Nice job KI, you just turned a mole hill into a volcano.

Sometimes you just have to let fans be fans and STFU.

If you want the adulation you also have to take the boos.

Its a yin/yang thing.

IF you ever man-up and decide to perform your art in Boston again there's a damn good chance your reception will be thunderous and covered by the entertainment folks that pay you millions of dollars.

So enjoy your Thanksgiving with family and friends, but lay-off the turkey, but you can eat all the crow you like.

I'm told it tastes like CHICKEN.
 

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Am I the only one to find it unseemly that he has to trot out "my grandfather died" over and over again? Plenty of people foster on after a death in their family, many times a death less expected than the passing of a grandparent.
And if he had brought it out when it happened he would have had a lot of sympathy and things may have progressed much differently. He may have still left but it would seem different.
 

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The thing that strikes me about this is how alone it seems that Kyrie is. Obviously his agent doesn’t have any sway in managing him or has given up. He has his dad obv. but he seems to be MIA on this stuff. He clearly misses his grandfather. And I’m not sure if Kyrie has a life partner. But everyone who’s anyone knows that posting an IG rant wasn’t the right way to handle things – and yet he went ahead and posted this anyway.

I’m not saying this really to sympathize with him – just as an observation. My experience with people struggling with addictions or mental health is that they tend to push away those closest to them so that even if they’re still in their lives, they don’t really have any influence. He also seems to be suggesting that he has some issues he’s wrestling with in this quote tho maybe I’m misreading it.
 

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His post has some aspects of the way AA or even some therapists would tell you to approach life and a job only its missing major pieces of the pie (appropriate for T-Day). Saying a spiritual life is more meaningful than entertainment or in this case his job is fine. However he is missing finding his own fault in the situation, making amends and moving on. ESPN quoted him saying, "I failed those guys," Irving said in September. "In terms of me being a leader in that environment and bringing everyone together, I failed." Perfect. He is talking about the locker room but he could easily have applied that to Boston Fans here as well. Then been there to cheer on his new teammates and not continuing the trend of failing younger guys as their leader.
 

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That screed is so poorly written (putting aside the substance - which is complete nonsense) that you can tell he did it himself. Anyone he showed it to would have been at a complete loss as to how to fix it. Can you imagine how hard his agent must have argued to not post that?

Also, please remember this the next time someone acts like a basketball player must be smart because he went to Duke.
 

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Yeah if Greenberg is the obsessed one for calling that ridiculous diatribe out with "big mad" then those guys truly are perfect for each other.
Yeah, literally the only other time you see text walls like this is from the losing party in a bad breakup.

Or from Dan Gilbert. (Same thing, I suppose)

It’s weird, creepy and off-putting to see a grown man in a non-sexual relationship doing it.
 

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I disown him as a Duke grad. I can't believe I like a UConn player roughly eleventy billion times more.

Edit: grad isn't 100% the correct term... he's not an alum either... insert shrug emoji
 

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1. Last night on his live roundup Wob said he refuses to make a joke out of the Kyrie thing because he thinks he's bipolar. He said he's known people in his own life and that the signs are there, but also somewhat cryptically referenced what he'd "heard" so maybe there's been a diagnosis and one of his sources within the Nets told him. Usually he makes a joke out of everything.

2. "Becoming the leader of your family" -- hopefully his dad has been building him up and saying things like this to him because if not this seems like a disrespectful thing to say with a parent still living. It is true that adult children become the "leaders" of their families once parents get older, retire, etc. and especially when you're an NBA-player-level breadwinner, but you don't say that publicly when you have a youngish, able-bodied, clearly supportive parent as his dad seems to be.

3. This is at best secondary to what's going on with Kyrie but I thought this was spot-on:

View: https://twitter.com/TheAgeofShoddy/status/1199911063451394048


Love that the Nets are hitching their wagon to the two guys in this league who least understand this. We can't be surprised if they both force their way out at some point.
 

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Yeah, literally the only other time you see text walls like this is from the losing party in a bad breakup.

Or from Dan Gilbert. (Same thing, I suppose)

It’s weird, creepy and off-putting to see a grown man in a non-sexual relationship doing it.
I'm very glad he's gone, and his post was terrible for many reasons, but I don't think this is one of them, at least not after a night where 15,000 people were chanting "Kyrie Sucks", and in a 7 page thread where some people, for some reason, would be happy to hear that same chant on Al Horford's return. If he is obsessed, it seems at least proportional. He is the one who actually went through it, after all. Dude's entitled to a couple of hundred words on the subject, even if they're ill-advised. I hope he can get well.
 

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I'm very glad he's gone, and his post was terrible for many reasons, but I don't think this is one of them, at least not after a night where 15,000 people were chanting "Kyrie Sucks", and in a 7 page thread where some people, for some reason, would be happy to hear that same chant on Al Horford's return. If he is obsessed, it seems at least proportional. He is the one who actually went through it, after all. Dude's entitled to a couple of hundred words on the subject, even if they're ill-advised. I hope he can get well.
If you’re not ready for “you suck” chants after you publicly renege on multiple promises, making large amounts of money as a professional athlete might not be the sport for you.
 

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If you’re not ready for “you suck” chants after you publicly renege on multiple promises, making large amounts of money as a professional athlete might not be the sport for you.
Agreed. Best thing he could have done to stop it would be to come play and let his game do the talking or at least just show up and take it if he’s really injured. This IG post is fucking weak.
 

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Agreed. Best thing he could have done to stop it would be to come play and let his game do the talking or at least just show up and take it if he’s really injured. This IG post is fucking weak.
I mean imagine being the Nets management. You’re privately a bit worried about Kyrie’s mental state and effect on team culture, and that you’re hitched to him for 4 years.

Then this.