Nadia and Nastia’s Nest, 2020 Summer Olympics Gymnastics

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Currently sitting through a full replay of the men's gymnastics qualifying round, and watching Artur Dalaloyan is not fun at all. He ruptured his Achilles in April and is competing despite not being medically cleared and is clearly uncomfortable. Every landing has me holding my breath. I was looking forward to watching him and Nikita Nagornyy in the all-around final but it feels more like waiting for Kerri Strug's second vault. The man is crazy.
 

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The women’s gymnastics team might be in trouble. Russia finished a full point ahead in qualifying - that’s a pretty huge upset. It’s not the finals, but they’re behind the 8 ball going in.
 

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The women’s gymnastics team might be in trouble. Russia finished a full point ahead in qualifying - that’s a pretty huge upset. It’s not the finals, but they’re behind the 8 ball going in.
Simone Biles's penalties for landing out of bounds were responsible for 0.6 of that on their own. It's certainly added a layer of intrigue to the final.

The men's team competition is going to be a barn burner up at the top. Japan, China, and Russia all finished within 0.3 of each other, followed by a huge 5-point gulf down to the US at #4. I can't wait.
 

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Thanks, MOD, for putting previous 3 posts in here.
 
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I'll transfer my thoughts from the other thread. The men's team final should be an incredible battle. There was a total gap of only 0.3 marks between Japan in 1st and Russia in 3rd in the qualifying round, with a veritable chasm to the US at #4. This kind of echoes how it's been at the last 2 World Championships, the only difference being which of the Japan/China/Russia trio earns which podium place.

I can't even begin to guess what will happen. But it should be fantastic
 

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The women’s gymnastics team might be in trouble. Russia finished a full point ahead in qualifying - that’s a pretty huge upset. It’s not the finals, but they’re behind the 8 ball going in.
The scores don’t carry over and Simone qualified for all four individual finals so they should be ok. But yes I think they are a bit full of themselves after all the worship they are getting in the media. Hard not to think you are unbeatable when you haven’t been beaten in a decade and everyone tells you that you are unbeatable.
 

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I don’t get that score for Jade Carey on the balance beam.
Agreed, absolutely shocking. If that had been for a medal and it was the US losing out on the Bronze because of that score, then it would be a huge media controversy, but here where the preferred American beat the person outside the main 4, there was no follow up at all. I really feel for Carey
 

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I don’t get that score for Jade Carey on the balance beam.
I agree, that was amazingly low, as if she fell off the damn thing. Like how can you go below 75% (7.5) on execution for that routine. Carey must certainly be in favor of the judges' execution.
 

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Where are the full replays? I have the NBC app but cannot find them.
There’s like an eight hour delay. I am having trouble with the streaming and went to peacock and says the gymnastics replay is at 6am. On physical tv I think it’s at 2:05am for the prime time show
 

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Edit: Adding to the chorus, Jade got screwed on the beam score. I'm so angry.

Big Mike on point.
 

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Having to follow the updating scores on the computer at work is no way to watch gymnastics. Still managed to be a nail biter even with that format, though. What a competition. Can’t wait to see the replay.

Barring absolute disaster for the top three, the US was never going to medal. But they really should have finished fourth if not for Mikulak’s horror show on floor. He is so maddeningly inconsistent; it’s always something, in every competition. And Dalaloyan is certifiable for doing all 6 events on that bad leg but it sure paid off for Russia.
 

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Them not medaling would be one of the biggest upsets in sports history, wouldn’t it?
Not if Biles isn't competing. I mean the team is still good, but she's the superest of superstars and not having her makes it pretty hard for Team USA.
 

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Sweet statement by the coach—mental health is health, dipshit.
You won't find many people who are bigger advocates than me that we shouldn't stigmatize mental health, and I am a huge proponent of mental health being treated as what it should be - HEALTH.

But I think the coach pretty clearly meant that she wasn't experiencing a physical issue like a sprained ankle or whatever. He used the term "injury", which in common parlance means things like broken bones, ligament damage, joint pain, what have you. I don't think he's wrong for phrasing it this way.
 
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I didn’t watch. Do we have any idea what is wrong with her and the likelihood of her being able to continue with the individual events and be successful? (beyond what the vague official statement says)
 

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I didn’t watch. Do we have any idea what is wrong with her and the likelihood of her being able to continue with the individual events and be successful? (beyond what the vague official statement says)
Good question. And if she can’t go, can Skinner replace her in the individual events? I really have no idea how this works.
 

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So if Biles is out of overall, does Jade Carey get the spot she earned the other night? I'm sure they would just screw her again in the overall judging if it comes to that, but still was wondering
 

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USA gymnastics came out and reported that she's out due to a "medical issue" and would be evaluated every day to determine if she can compete in the individuals. There now seems to be a question about whether or not the reporter misheard the coach, who may have said "medical" and the reporter heard "mental." At least, that will likely be the CYA story that gets spun here. Either way, it sucks, Simone is one of the few athletes on Earth that everyone should be watching at every chance they get. She's unbelievable.
 

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USA gymnastics came out and reported that she's out due to a "medical issue" and would be evaluated every day to determine if she can compete in the individuals. There now seems to be a question about whether or not the reporter misheard the coach, who may have said "medical" and the reporter heard "mental." At least, that will likely be the CYA story that gets spun here. Either way, it sucks, Simone is one of the few athletes on Earth that everyone should be watching at every chance they get. She's unbelievable.
I agree. I think she's one of the world's greatest athletes and she's an epic performer, not just a great athlete. She was easily one of the people I was most looking forward to seeing. But her health comes first and foremost. Still...huge huge bummer.
 

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USA gymnastics came out and reported that she's out due to a "medical issue" and would be evaluated every day to determine if she can compete in the individuals. There now seems to be a question about whether or not the reporter misheard the coach, who may have said "medical" and the reporter heard "mental." At least, that will likely be the CYA story that gets spun here. Either way, it sucks, Simone is one of the few athletes on Earth that everyone should be watching at every chance they get. She's unbelievable.
Yeah that’s the vague statement I was referring to.

I suspect that whatever caused the announcer to say mental was perhaps misinformed, now that I’ve watched some of the video. She didn’t seem too sure about that vault. She may have been dealing with a minor injury and thought she could play through it. Also, apparently she came back out with her leg wrapped?
 

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Yeah that’s the vague statement I was referring to.

I suspect that whatever caused the announcer to say mental was perhaps misinformed, now that I’ve watched some of the video. She didn’t seem too sure about that vault. She may have been dealing with a minor injury and thought she could play through it. Also, apparently she came back out with her leg wrapped?
I thought she came back out with her wrists wrapped, which was for whatever her next routine was going to be (maybe uneven bars) and then left again. I didn't hear about a new leg wrap.
 

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All of those gymnasts are battling some type of injury, minor or otherwise. I will speculate, (sorry) but I expect she thought the team could do better without her considering her ability to prepare, evaluation of her performance. She spoke to her teammates, etc.
 

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I thought she came back out with her wrists wrapped, which was for whatever her next routine was going to be (maybe uneven bars) and then left again. I didn't hear about a new leg wrap.
I don’t know. It’s just what I read in several articles, including this one:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/simone-biles-olympics-gymnastics-injury/
She exited the competition floor with the team doctor and later returned with her right leg wrapped.
Okay, apparently it is mental, per Simone.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/27/simone-biles-backs-out-of-olympic-gymnastic-team-finals-medical-issue/
"I have to focus on my mental health and not jeopardize my health and well-being."
 
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Simone Biles has just given an astonishingly brave interview to a packed mixed zone, talking about mental health issues. ‘Even though it's so big, it's the Olympic games. But at the end of the day it's like we want to walk out of here, not be dragged out here on a stretcher’

"I just don't trust myself as much as I used to. And I don't know if it's age - I'm a little bit more nervous when I do gymnastics. I feel like I'm also not having as much fun and I know that."

Biles asked what's her goal for Olympics. "To focus on my well being. You know there's more to life than just gymnastics."

More Simone Biles on how Covid restrictions didn't help her. "It does suck when you do feel the weight of the world and you feel like there are no outlets for the amount of training that we do. We were totally prepared, but it just sucks when you're fighting with your own head mf

"Like, you want to do it for yourself but you're still too worried about what everybody else is going to say, on internet and stuff sometimes. So I just had to stay off of it for a past couple days."
 

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This also highlights how well the rest of the team did to get silver. The team leader stepped back during the competition because she was (understandably!) worried that she was going to end up getting dragged out on a stretcher. It had to to be enormously difficult to keep those thoughts out of their own minds.
 

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She is? I see the opposite all over the internet so far. I mean, I’m sure there will be some. There are always some.
I sense the conservative mouthpieces picking this up and running wild. I hope to God I'm wrong, but I expect the worst.

She's the best athlete in, arguable, the world. I hope time away from the Olympic spotlight helps her tremendously.
 

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I'm not going to blast her, but shouldn't she have figured this out prior to the Olympics to give someone else a shot?
That's the only issue I have with this. I'm glad she has the wisdom and courage to withdraw and take care of herself, and I respect her decision immensely, but on the other hand I'd be pretty pissed if I was the the last person cut from the roster.
 

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She wasn't at her best, but she was still the team's best gymnast. It wasn't a case of her being too stubborn to acknowledge that she wasn't good enough.

More importantly, the timing of the moment when she finally has the realization that she's not right isn't within her control, but she has the power to make the decision when that moment comes. Good for her.
 

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What was she supposed to figure out? Mental health isn’t something that works like that I don’t think.
 

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NO. It. Doesn't. Work. That. Way. When it comes to mental health.
What was she supposed to figure out? Mental health isn’t something that works like that I don’t think.
She didn't have concerns about getting hurt and not having as much fun prior to getting on the plane? If that is the case, then I fully agree with you. It is entirely possible that the first time she encountered these feelings was in Tokyo. But the comments about realizing she isn't having as much fun seem like something that has been percolating for a while. That is based purely on me reading the tweets so I could absolutely be wrong.
 

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She didn't have concerns about getting hurt and not having as much fun prior to getting on the plane? If that is the case, then I fully agree with you. It is entirely possible that the first time she encountered these feelings was in Tokyo. But the comments about realizing she isn't having as much fun seem like something that has been percolating for a while. That is based purely on me reading the tweets so I could absolutely be wrong.
I know it’s not your intention, but It feels really unfair of you to not be giving her the benefit of the doubt. It’s not like it’s some trivial decision she just made on a whim.
 

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If you saw some of her interviews leading up to the Olympics this isn't surprising. She was so frustrated when 2020 was postponed because she couldn't wait for it to be over. She wasn't looking forward to it in any way.
 

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I know it’s not your intention, but It feels really unfair of you to not be giving her the benefit of the doubt. It’s not like it’s some trivial decision she just made on a whim.
I hear that, and I also absolutely understand that she must feel the weight of the world, the pressure to compete and win gold and live up to everyone’s standards. I fully understand why she would still have gotten on the plane even with her feelings. I think her decision is courageous and not easy. I wish for both her sake and for whoever would be next up that she had not gotten on the plane, but I can certainly understand why she did.

Again, not blasting her. More wishing she had come to this realization last week, for the sake of her health, etc.
 

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I sense the conservative mouthpieces picking this up and running wild. I hope to God I'm wrong, but I expect the worst.

She's the best athlete in, arguable, the world. I hope time away from the Olympic spotlight helps her tremendously.
Of course there are SOME assholes i.e. conservative mouthpieces who will give stupid takes. Clay Travis and Jason Whitlock exist, right?
 

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She didn't have concerns about getting hurt and not having as much fun prior to getting on the plane? If that is the case, then I fully agree with you. It is entirely possible that the first time she encountered these feelings was in Tokyo. But the comments about realizing she isn't having as much fun seem like something that has been percolating for a while. That is based purely on me reading the tweets so I could absolutely be wrong.
To do some guess work, I think that you might be right in that the "not having as much fun anymore" line suggests that she has been having doubts and struggles previous to Tokyo. That being said, as a top competitor and confidence that you are the best in the world, I can see it likely that she convinced herself that when she got to Tokyo it would be different, or that she could overcome any anxiety she was having through the spirit of the Olympics, and she would never give up her spot on the team. A big hurdle with anxiety is the need to push yourself, to put yourself in situations that make you uncomfortable to show that you can beat it. Biles I'm sure got on the plane to Tokyo with the belief that she could beat it; but during the competition realized that the mental strain she was putting herself under was not healthy.