Nava DFA
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Not surprising, the way Farrell refused to play him.
I guess this means Holt is the backup 1st baseman (the Ortiz experiment has ended?) and Rutledge goes in to 2B if Holt is at first?
I guess this means Holt is the backup 1st baseman (the Ortiz experiment has ended?) and Rutledge goes in to 2B if Holt is at first?
It's a shame about Nava. The only shred of sense I'm trying to hang on to in re Breslow is that they're trying to trade him.
I guess they have enough confidence that they'll be able to keep Nava that they're willing to chance losing him to get something that probably won't be any better than him.
I guess they have enough confidence that they'll be able to keep Nava that they're willing to chance losing him to get something that probably won't be any better than him.
I'll bet someone claims him. He could be a useful backup somewhere. The Sox have no room for him in the OF right now.
rembrat said:
Exactly. Nava got a reward contract of $1.85 million for 2015, and he'll be riding the shuttle from Pawtucket as long as he wants to.
When he's too decrepit to play in the minors anymore, he'll be moved to public relations.
My money is on the A's. Billy Beane will get his value back up and deal him next year, just to piss off SOSH.
rembrat said:
Even if he gets through waivers, he has the right to elect free agency instead of reporting to a Red Sox farm team. He's gone. Someone will jump on him for the pro-rated minimum wage.
Hee Sox Choi said:
Yup. He will go to a team like the A's that will focus on what he can do instead of what he can't, and maybe he'll have a manager that understands even perennial all-stars occasionally go 6 for 40 with 16 K's.
But, the Red Sox have a lot of people like Daniel Nava now, and they can't keep them all. Holt plays all the same positions, gets on base just as much, and has more speed. De Aza plays left and rightfield and could fill in centerfield with more power and less OBP. Bradley and Castillo need at bats. There's just no room. I hope he goes to a contender and gets another playoff payday. He deserves it.
Tyrone Biggums said:
Breslow with the Sox:
2012: 2.70 era, 159 era+, 2.70 fip, 1.15 whip
2013: 1.81 era, 229 era+, 3.60 fip, 1.12 whip
2014: 5.96 era, 66 era+, 5.34 fip, 1.86 whip
2015: 3.38 era, 121 era+, 5.20 fip, 1.33 whip
Over his tenure with Boston, he's actually been pretty decent. The last two fip numbers are awful, but his actual production on the field (whether by skill or dumb luck) has been solid. But I don't know how because he doesn't really seem to throw anything hitters can't actually hit.
But Nava....good job while you were here.
rembrat said:
Lesser players have opted out of minor league contracts mid-season in search of other opportunities. We're not talking about Jeff Bianchi here, we're talking about a guy who put up a 100 OPS+ as recently as last season. There's a team out there that will take him on the off-chance he'll re-discover his stroke this year.
TomRicardo said:
In one of the recent seasons, didn't a Sox player get DFA'd and then resurrected onto the roster mere days later? Maybe Napoli goes and Nava comes back.
A dollar doesn't go as far as it used to. Did you guys happen to know that Nava hit a grand slam in his first at bat?
Cherington: "Daniel, please see me in my office."
Nava: "Sure thing boss. What's up?"
Cherington: "We've known each other for so long so I just want to tell you how I'm dealing. You know, we just got Machi and we need to make space on the roster and so..."
Nava: "What are you saying boss?"
Cherington: "Don't tell me you're too blind to see (adopts unusually deep voice) Nava, gonna give you up."
Nava: "Sure thing boss. What's up?"
Cherington: "We've known each other for so long so I just want to tell you how I'm dealing. You know, we just got Machi and we need to make space on the roster and so..."
Nava: "What are you saying boss?"
Cherington: "Don't tell me you're too blind to see (adopts unusually deep voice) Nava, gonna give you up."
Lose Remerswaal said:
Why would you put the 6'1" Rutledge at 2B and the 5'10-on-a-good-day, defensively superior Holt at first?
Nava's always a guy you want to root for. Hopefully he catches on somewhere.
Also, re: "Nava, gonna give you up". That was amusing.
Also, re: "Nava, gonna give you up". That was amusing.
AB in DC said:
Isn't there a chance he clears waivers and gets re-signed to a minor league deal?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IqyIaXfH8Po
Nava's story is so unbelievable that if it was a movie, you'd think it was cheesy and unrealistic. He's honestly one of my favorite Red Sox players ever, and I'll be sad to see him go.
Nava's story is so unbelievable that if it was a movie, you'd think it was cheesy and unrealistic. He's honestly one of my favorite Red Sox players ever, and I'll be sad to see him go.
Eddie Jurak said:
Have to assume he did since she worked the 2013 ALCS and World Series for Fox.
Plympton91 said:
Being that: 1) the Sox are going nowhere this year; 2) De Aza is a FA after this season; 3) Nava can play 1st; and 4) Nava is under control through 2017, I find this move puzzling, at best.
ngruz25 said:
I first downloaded the Lahman baseball databases because I wanted to know what Nava's chances of sticking around in the majors would be. I was disappointed when I figured that players who made their debut at age 27 only have a career, on average, of about 6 years even if they made it through a single season:
I said "It may be realistic to hope for Nava to maintain his offensive effectiveness for a few more seasons, but a long career seems unlikely", so it's not a surprise to see him DFA'd, but it is sad.
Nava has talked about coaching after he retires, so I suppose there's still a chance that we'll see him again in the Sox organization.
iayork said:
Even that sounds high to me, since HOF-apparent Ichiro Suzuki must skew the results something fierce. Age 27 seems really late for anyone but a knuckleballer to break through and establish a long career in MLB.
Are any of the other players with significant longevity, likewise to Ichiro, imports from international baseball or from the Negro Leagues after Jackie Robinson broke the race barrier (at age 28)?
Yes, Hideki Matsui, Ichiro, Iguchi, Johjima, Taguchi, Fukudome, and Iwamura were all in there. Ichiro (15 years and counting) and Matsui (10 years) were the only two of those who seriously skewed the distribution, though, since the others had relatively short careers.Buzzkill Pauley said:
Davey Lopes is the biggest outlier, with a amazing 16-year career (99 stolen bases after he turned 40) following his debut at the age of 27.
Always felt like those kinds Of unconditional studies were not applicable to Nava's circumstances. It wasn't a case like Brian Daubach, who kicked around the minors for years in plain sight and then -ahem- blossomed into a power hitter during prime power years. Nava was overlooked due to his size, not his ability. But at this point it seems he's just a slow singles hitting corner OF with plate discipline. And that package is Not the trendy thing it was several years ago.
not happy, sort of wanted him to stay here or go to NLCorsi said:
You know he's going to hit a granny off some guy off our BP fire squad with an 8th inning pinch in his first at bat vs us
and it'll be devastating to watch the Sox hopes for the season crushed when that pushes them a full 20 games out of first place!Ale Xander said: