NBA Finals Game 6--Resiliency

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We read a lot about how Draymond was washed. He may be but he was a difference maker tonight. Him and Wiggins were essentially the delta here in terms of their D etc.

Myers deserves props for the Wiggins trade - at the time Wiggins was viewed as one of the most inefficient players in the league. Now he is a great wing on a championship team.
 

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Six months ago I was fairly almost convinced that they needed to break up Tatum and Brown. But I figured they’re still way too young to do that yet. Didn’t expect a Finals run in any way. Fun run, despite the ending.
 

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The core of this team has played together for a long time now and had multiple deep playoff runs that have fallen short. I think it's perfectly fine to wonder if some tweaks are needed in order for them to break through
Certainly agreed on tweaks, although not an overhaul. While I think the Jays are integral, Marcus and a number of other pieces certainly played like frontrunners in the playoffs. Horford as the 36 y.o. veteran presence may certainly still work as a 20-ish minute bench piece, but I think we'll need a bigger veteran contributor closer to 30 who has the endurance as well as calmness and brains to help the younger core for this next postseason run.
 

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This team may have a bright future, but I just have a hard time seeing them get this close again for a long time. The league would have anointed Tatum if he'd won, but I suspect they'll move back to Giannis and the other "sexier" names. I think this team had a chance to be akin to the Pistons team that interrupted the steady stream of title wins for LA and San Antonio in the first decade of the new millennium. They won on defense and team play, the hallmarks of this team. Unfortunately, this team just did not have the same ability to play four complete quarters against the Dubs (and against other teams at times, which is part of the reason why they lost this series) in any one game and were outclassed by a team that knew how to close and how to play their game instead of their opponent's. Ime is going to learn a hard, hard lesson in this series: you can't keep letting your playmakers play braindead ball for large stretches of time, which means timlier timeouts and getting some run from the guys at the end of the bench. The Big Three Celtics that won a title in 2008 had PJ Brown, Leon Powe, and Scott Pollard coming off the bench, and all of them contributed to the title win (especially Brown). By not giving a couple of minutes to the "other" bench guys, who were fresher, he wore down guys who were already fatigued. You have to dance with the one(s) that brought you, including the one with the club foot for at least one spin around the dance floor.

But those Pistons never got back to the title game. I'm very concerned that this might be it for another 5-10 years.
That Pistons team went back to the Finals the year after they won the title and lost in 7 to the Spurs. I get your point and it's hard to make it to the Finals, but if this core stays together I'd be surprised if they don't get to another one in the next 3-4 years. If this roster is healthy and Brad adds a legitimate rotation wing the O/U is probably 55 wins next year.
 

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But those Pistons never got back to the title game. I'm very concerned that this might be it for another 5-10 years.
I kind of get your overall point but you’re missing some pretty important context here. That Pistons team was incredibly old and veteran laden. It was basically a collection of guys where it was clear that they had a 1-2 year window. And, as you know, this Celtics team is pretty much the opposite of that

they may share some of the same DNA but I think it ends at both being team oriented and great at defense.
 

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Meh. These guys aren’t the Blues or Giants. Very very tolerable. Honestly if it couldn’t be us, they’re not a team I mind by any means. I enjoy watching how they play. Kind of how I felt like seeing Barcelona for so many years

Although I still can’t stand Green in the role of Busquets.



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That Pistons team went back to the Finals the year after they won the title and lost in 7 to the Spurs. I get your point and it's hard to make it to the Finals, but if this core stays together I'd be surprised if they don't get to another one in the next 3-4 years. If this roster is healthy and Brad adds a legitimate rotation wing the O/U is probably 55 wins next year.
I forgot they went back the next year. Shame on me for that.
 

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Some guys came up small in this series but I'd think long and hard before trading off key players on a young team running on fumes and band-aids and with no bench that beat the Nets, Bucks Heat and lost in G6 in the Finals.

They got to get tougher and learn from this. I think they will.

Congrats Celts on a really good season.
 

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It’s not so much that they blew a small lead, it’s how it happened. They could make no baskets for a long stretch. They played very good D and just could not make a shot. It was a tough loss.
Oh, I don’t disagree…it just kind of feels like that’s basketball and it wasn’t some epic collapse. Frustrating but kind of how it goes.
 

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Tough loss, tough week, great season, and tons of hot takes in the game thread

The good thing is most of the moronic commentary stays here
 

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Some guys came up small in this series but I'd think long and hard before trading off key players on a young team running on fumes and band-aids and with no bench that beat the Nets, Bucks Heat and lost in G6 in the Finals.

They got to get tougher and learn from this. I think they will.

Congrats Celts on a really good season.
Them all being young was also a contributing factor. They're all coming back a year closer to their prime next year... or at least most of them. Don't trade the core.. but add veterans and shooters that can carry you at times when your other players are struggling.

edit: at the end of the day it's whatever continues the trend of playing unselfish, team basketball.
 

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A lot of speculation and excuse-making for Tatum based on an injury that happened nearly one month ago and honestly didn't look bad (except his reaction) at all, but half the board wants to ship out Smart when he actually looked like he'd never play another game in 2022 after destroying his ankle. I'm disappointed in how he played too, but the dude was legit playing on a sprained ankle.
 

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Can I just take a moment to mention that over 20 years ago (2001-02), Antoine Walker took more 3-point attempts than ALL BUT FOUR players this year? (Curry, Buddy Hield, Donovan Mitchell, Tatum). Man was ahead of his time...
 

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It’s not so much that they blew a small lead, it’s how it happened. They could make no baskets for a long stretch. They played very good D and just could not make a shot. It was a tough loss.
It's also that they had GS on their heels and had a ton of momentum.. until the very end of the third.. especially that banked three to end the quarter. They got stunned and couldn't get it back.
 

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A lot of speculation and excuse-making for Tatum based on an injury that happened nearly one month ago and honestly didn't look bad (except his reaction) at all, but half the board wants to ship out Smart when he actually looked like he'd never play another game in 2022 after destroying his ankle. I'm disappointed in how he played too, but the dude was legit playing on a sprained ankle.
Very true and very fair. You can’t talk about how brave Tatum is and his injuries were the sole factor for everything negative about his play and not give Smart the same grace….I mean, I think the Celtics (at least Ime in his press conferences seemed to act that way) thought Smart was more injured than Tatum
 

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People hate on Smart when things are going bad but he was kind of the key to turning this season around. I’d be really hesitant to move him. Is there a path to moving Horford, though? Love what he did for the team this year but feel like the games where he provides nothing are going to get more and more frequent.
 

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I will say that apart from the actual Celtics and their people, we here in the Bay Area are going to wear this loss harder than any other Cs fans.

Its Red Sox time and Stanley Cup Finals watching in Boston.

Meanwhile, we in SF+ are going to be subjected to lots of celebrating for the next few weeks, including people whose first NBA viewing experience all season was this series talking all sorts of crap. And all we can do is take it.
 

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As title losses go, in terms of my ability to sleep over the next month, this series is way behind all three Pats SB losses, the 2010 Finals, both Bruins SCF losses, and probably behind some non-title losses too (Pats 2006). It was just such a surprise to end up here.

That said, it wouldn’t have taken some bizarro-world stuff for them to win. After game 3 they looked like the overwhelming favorites. So, idk, it sucks, maybe just a little less than others because it just wasn’t quite as excruciating.
 

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It's also that they had GS on their heels and had a ton of momentum.. until the very end of the third.. especially that banked three to end the quarter. They got stunned and couldn't get it back.
I really think it’s a function of the tank hitting E more than any one play or momentum swing
 

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As title losses go, in terms of my ability to sleep over the next month, this series is way behind all three Pats SB losses, the 2010 Finals, both Bruins SCF losses, and probably behind some non-title losses too (Pats 2006). It was just such a surprise to end up here.

That said, it wouldn’t have taken some bizarro-world stuff for them to win. After game 3 they looked like the overwhelming favorites. So, idk, it sucks, maybe just a little less than others because it just wasn’t quite as excruciating.
Yeah, this isn’t close to 2010 for me. Maybe it’s because I fucking hated the Lakers, Kobe, and Pau or maybe it’s because that 2010 team was a lot older and the window was clearly shutting…I’m not sure but that one hurt a lot more than this one
 

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People hate on Smart when things are going bad but he was kind of the key to turning this season around. I’d be really hesitant to move him. Is there a path to moving Horford, though? Love what he did for the team this year but feel like the games where he provides nothing are going to get more and more frequent.
Horford is easy to move but you’re not getting anything for him. He’s filler. Smart is the guy you move if you’re making a big trade. It all depends on who’s available but Smart is absolutely not untouchable for me.
 

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Just can’t believe they lost three in a row after going up 2-1. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense considering I still don’t believe GS isn’t an overwhelmingly better team.
 

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Yeah, this isn’t close to 2010 for me. Maybe it’s because I fucking hated the Lakers, Kobe, and Pau or maybe it’s because that 2010 team was a lot older and the window was clearly shutting…I’m not sure but that one hurt a lot more than this one
2010 hurt because they should have won and the big 3 deserved multiple rings. But at least we had 2008 to fall back on. This Celtics team has been one giant tease for last 6 years. So close but no cigar.
 

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Just can’t believe they lost three in a row after going up 2-1. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense considering I still don’t believe GS isn’t an overwhelmingly better team.
They played like shit at home all postseason. Most disappointing part of all this for me besides the L itself. You need to protect your home court. They were largely great on the road.
 

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A lot of speculation and excuse-making for Tatum based on an injury that happened nearly one month ago and honestly didn't look bad (except his reaction) at all, but half the board wants to ship out Smart when he actually looked like he'd never play another game in 2022 after destroying his ankle. I'm disappointed in how he played too, but the dude was legit playing on a sprained ankle.
For me it's the offensive scheme that Smart forces you to play. The hard part to figure out is whether or not his defense makes up for that.

His sprained ankle may have been the reason his defense wasn't nearly as good as usual during the entire finals.
 

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2010 hurt because they should have won and the big 3 deserved multiple rings. But at least we had 2008 to fall back on. This Celtics team has been one giant tease for last 6 years. So close but no cigar.
Didn't they have an 11 point lead in the 4th quarter? All I remember is the Lakers shooting a ton of FTs late to get back into it.
 

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Didn't they have an 11 point lead in the 4th quarter? All I remember is the Lakers shooting a ton of FTs late to get back into it.
I remember the Celtics basically couldn’t buy a rebound and the refs giving the Lakers every call under the sun
 

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Didn't they have an 11 point lead in the 4th quarter? All I remember is the Lakers shooting a ton of FTs late to get back into it.
I blacked out. But yes, the lead just slowly whittled away thanks to ref ball. And Ray bricked everything. And Artest somehow made the killer 3. Everything about that game sucked ass.
 

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As title losses go, in terms of my ability to sleep over the next month, this series is way behind all three Pats SB losses, the 2010 Finals, both Bruins SCF losses, and probably behind some non-title losses too (Pats 2006). It was just such a surprise to end up here.

That said, it wouldn’t have taken some bizarro-world stuff for them to win. After game 3 they looked like the overwhelming favorites. So, idk, it sucks, maybe just a little less than others because it just wasn’t quite as excruciating.
Playoff losses worse than this one:

Celtics 12
Celtics 10
Celtics 87
Celtics 88
Celtics 20
Celtics 18
Celtics 09 (injuries but still)
Scottish Pats
2nd Pats Giants
2006 Pats
2009 Pats
2015 Pats
Iggles Pats
Bruins Blues
Bruins Hawks
Red Sox 2003
Red Sox 2008
Red Sox 2017
Red Sox 1986
Red Sox 2021
 

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Yeah, this isn’t close to 2010 for me. Maybe it’s because I fucking hated the Lakers, Kobe, and Pau or maybe it’s because that 2010 team was a lot older and the window was clearly shutting…I’m not sure but that one hurt a lot more than this one
For me, this is like if the first Tatum team made the Finals and lost. Not even close to 2010. But, they do need to acquire a facilitator. Love the idea of Mitchell
for Smart+ but don’t see how that’s possible.
 

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For me it's the offensive scheme that Smart forces you to play. The hard part to figure out is whether or not his defense makes up for that.

His sprained ankle may have been the reason his defense wasn't nearly as good as usual during the entire finals.
It isn’t that hard, it doesn’t. He is a great defender, but he isn’’t the greatest defender of all time and this team needs an offensive overhaul that won’t happen with Smart being the one facilitating the offense.