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Several? I don't think there is one that I would take over him.
The advanced stats don't speak very highly of him. He's pretty damn overrated.

Several is a bit much, since the guys who have been more efficient than he has are older draftees. But if you look at his numbers, they're not good.
 

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Several? I don't think there is one that I would take over him.
I'd take Clarke for sure, and I think there are cases for Thybulle, Johnson, Claxton and maybe even Okeke if he can stay healthy.

Herro had a nice rookie year, and he plays a fun style... he's also just not that good, he contributes almost nothing other than some decent but not spectacular individual scoring, and not at a level of offset being a bad defender as anything but a bench player.
He's not a guy you say "oh man we missed out on...." about unless his game drastically changes next year.
 
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To be honest, I think I (along with I think most of the Celtics) are pretty much done with this season. Unfortunately, it wasn't their year. Go off over the summer, work on your game, heal up, make some trades (Ainge), hopefully get insanely lucky with the lottery, and come back next Fall.
 

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One of the many excellent things about the Warriors beating the Lakers on Wednesday would be that — if the Lakers got their sh*t together afterwards — it would force the Lakers into the Clippers’ bracket in the second round, or exactly what the Clippers carefully tanked their last two games to avoid.

Alternatively, Memphis or SA could just bounce them out in the second play-in.

Neither scenario is likely to happen if LeBron is 100% healthy, but is he?
 
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With Jaylen out , options 1 and 2 definitely lose some luster. Nice for some young guys to get experience, but it’s highly unlikely we have the horses to get to a game 6 against either team.

Combining the 4% high pick chance and the small benefit of 13 over 16, I can see the logic in hoping for number 3.

As I said above, I’ll still be rooting for wins since I don’t find option #3 likely to be some huge windfall. If they do end up in the lotto though, I certainly won’t be too crushed.
While its always good to draft good players, I dont think this team needs another 19year old. So they might as well win a bunch of games now.
 

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One of the many excellent things about the Warriors beating the Lakers on Wednesday would be that — if the Lakers got their sh*t together afterwards — it would force the Lakers into the Clippers’ bracket in the second round, or exactly what the Clippers carefully tanked their last two games to avoid.

Alternatively, Memphis or SA could just bounce them out in the play-in.

Neither scenario is likely to happen if LeBron is 100% healthy, but is he?
It would be great also for the meltdown here in Los Angeles if the Lakers got to that brink. As it is, I expect the Lakers to blast the Warriors, take care of the Suns and go on to win the WCF and the championship while everyone slobbers over their "resilience in the face of adversity."

This is all necessary emotional hedging on my part.
 

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While its always good to draft good players, I dont think this team needs another 19year old. So they might as well win a bunch of games now.
My expectation is that they lose to the Wizards, beat the winner of Charlotte/Indiana, get swept by the Sixers, and the team in the 13 hole win the lottery.
 

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While its always good to draft good players, I dont think this team needs another 19year old. So they might as well win a bunch of games now.
They're going to be drafting players next year no matter what, so I'd rather have a higher pick than a lower one. Better chance of replacing someone off the back of the bench with real value.
 

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They're going to be drafting players next year no matter what, so I'd rather have a higher pick than a lower one. Better chance of replacing someone off the back of the bench with real value.
I wouldn't be so sure. Marcus and a pick in the teens opens up some interesting options in the trade market I think.
 

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It would be great also for the meltdown here in Los Angeles if the Lakers got to that brink. As it is, I expect the Lakers to blast the Warriors, take care of the Suns and go on to win the WCF and the championship while everyone slobbers over their "resilience in the face of adversity."

This is all necessary emotional hedging on my part.
I agree. I think, and i know it's really stupid and in the intangible area, Draymond/Looney finding any possible way to rattle AD is key. Nothing illegal, just pushing the boundaries. AD has been very selective in being "AD" since his return and making him hesitant is their best chance.

Short of that they should get blasted but I'll enjoy rooting for Steph for like the first time in my life. Light them up, Steph.
 

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They're going to be drafting players next year no matter what, so I'd rather have a higher pick than a lower one. Better chance of replacing someone off the back of the bench with real value.
The draftniks can always be wrong, of course, but this is a draft that is supposed to have pretty good top 4-5 talent. So, while it's a long-shot, getting one of those players to add to the Jays I think could be very helpful. The team needs an infusion of better talent, along with the hopeful development of Nesmith/Langford/WilliamsX2.
 

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While its always good to draft good players, I dont think this team needs another 19year old. So they might as well win a bunch of games now.
I understand the sentiment, but the problem with this team is that several of their younger players fall into the category of "raw, potentially high ceiling, but also could be on a different team for their 2nd contract". Specifically, R. Williams (injury risk), Nesmith, and Langford.

The rest of their younger players either have a ceiling of a role player off the bench (Pritchard, maybe Grant) or are just unlikely to ever contribute (Carsen, Tacko, Waters).

And the team has decisions to make with their veteran players like Smart, Kemba, Thompson, and Fournier. A higher draft pick with star potential could go a long way towards cementing the Celtics future around the J's plus said draft pick. Or gives Ainge enough leverage to trade the pick along with a Smart or a Kemba to pick up a player that would really help this team.
 

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I agree. I think, and i know it's really stupid and in the intangible area, Draymond/Looney finding any possible way to rattle AD is key. Nothing illegal, just pushing the boundaries. AD has been very selective in being "AD" since his return and making him hesitant is their best chance.

Short of that they should get blasted but I'll enjoy rooting for Steph for like the first time in my life. Light them up, Steph.
Well, they’ve rattled AD out the playoffs both times they’ve faced him there, 4-0 and 4-1. Of course the first time was in 2015 when he was just a baby (and pre-Looney); and the second time, in 2018, they brought that Durant guy to make it an unfair fight. But they do both have a ton of experience doing battle with the Brow. He always gets his points, but they tend to make him work for them.

Dray and Loon are also both (knocking wood) looking really spry right now and playing their best ball of the year — anchoring a top 5 defense with literally no other bigs unless you count their 6’-6” 210 lb. wing with big heart, Juan Toscano-Anderson. If there ever were a time for a one-game killshot at the champs, it’s now, with both LeBron and AD still working their way back to 100%. It’s just too bad it’s not an actual killshot. I feel like even if the Ws somehow manage to topple them, they’ll right the ship against the crummy Spurs or untested Grizz; and then they’ll start regaining their chemistry and health and kicking ass.

And at that point it may be up to your Clips to lay down the hammer...
 

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Well, they’ve rattled AD out the playoffs both times they’ve faced him there, 4-0 and 4-1. Of course the first time was in 2015 when he was just a baby (and pre-Looney); and the second time, in 2018, they brought that Durant guy to make it an unfair fight. But they do both have a ton of experience doing battle with the Brow. He always gets his points, but they tend to make him work for them.

Dray and Loon are also both (knocking wood) looking really spry right now and playing their best ball of the year — anchoring a top 5 defense with literally no other bigs unless you count their 6’-6” 210 lb. wing with big heart, Juan Toscano-Anderson. If there ever were a time for a one-game killshot at the champs, it’s now, with both LeBron and AD still working their way back to 100%. It’s just too bad it’s not an actual killshot. I feel like even if the Ws somehow manage to topple them, they’ll right the ship against the crummy Spurs or untested Grizz; and then they’ll start regaining their chemistry and health and kicking ass.

And at that point it may be up to your Clips to lay down the hammer...
Yes! That's what i remembered. AD has been such a jump shooter down the stretch, i think they can do it. And the lakers having that grizz/spurs win in their back pocket actually helps them. AD has shown all season he'll dial it back a little if it isnt 10000% necessary.

As for my clipps, i have no faith they do anything but lose in spectacular fashion.
 

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One of the many excellent things about the Warriors beating the Lakers on Wednesday would be that — if the Lakers got their sh*t together afterwards — it would force the Lakers into the Clippers’ bracket in the second round, or exactly what the Clippers carefully tanked their last two games to avoid.

Alternatively, Memphis or SA could just bounce them out in the second play-in.

Neither scenario is likely to happen if LeBron is 100% healthy, but is he?
Just to say it, SRN, all of Celtics world is firmly in your corner Wednesday night. Do us proud!
 

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People are overcomplicating the 13 vs. 16 thing. It costs (relatively) significant assets to move up at that range in the draft, as we've seen from the prices those moves have gone for the past few years. There is a very material difference in asset value.
 

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Win the play in and we get a full capacity, pent up, drunk Memorial Day weekend crowd G4 against the Kyrie Nets. That would be something.
 

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The draftniks can always be wrong, of course, but this is a draft that is supposed to have pretty good top 4-5 talent. So, while it's a long-shot, getting one of those players to add to the Jays I think could be very helpful. The team needs an infusion of better talent, along with the hopeful development of Nesmith/Langford/WilliamsX2.
This is the double draft, virtually speaking. The original NBA/NBAPA plan had been to allow high schoolers to enter the 2022 draft, and the high school class of '22 has some really high upside players, and several guys reclassified from the high school class of '21 to the class of '20. Probably because they figured if they were being pushed to mid lottery picks they may as well start their NBA careers as soon as possible. But then, hey, covid19 happened and the world changed. But too late for the Scottie Barnes and Jonathan Kumingas of the world to change their minds.

The result is that this draft class has a much better top ten than most years. Jonathan Kuminga is normally a top 3 pick, but there's pretty much a zero percent chance that he cracks that this year. Problems aside a guy like Jalen Johnson is nearly always top 8 due to the upside, this year there's a chance that he slips out of the top 12 because there are so many better options.
 

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Lavert out do to health and safety protocols, 10-14 days. His season likely over, crazy year for him. Trade, renal cell cancer, COVID.

Maybe I missed it, but did the NBA adjust their policies after vaccinations? If someone is vaccinated and tests positive are they still automatically out 10-14 days? Only if symptomatic?

Seems harsh for a vaccinated person that tests positive with minimal to no symptoms and a very brief infection to be out for 2 weeks.
 

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Lavert out do to health and safety protocols, 10-14 days. His season likely over, crazy year for him. Trade, renal cell cancer, COVID.

Maybe I missed it, but did the NBA adjust their policies after vaccinations? If someone is vaccinated and tests positive are they still automatically out 10-14 days? Only if symptomatic?

Seems harsh for a vaccinated person that tests positive with minimal to no symptoms and a very brief infection to be out for 2 weeks.
Throw in a couple broken feet at Michigan and the Pacers have themselves their Uber-talented version of Romeo.
 

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Lavert out do to health and safety protocols, 10-14 days. His season likely over, crazy year for him. Trade, renal cell cancer, COVID.

Maybe I missed it, but did the NBA adjust their policies after vaccinations? If someone is vaccinated and tests positive are they still automatically out 10-14 days? Only if symptomatic?

Seems harsh for a vaccinated person that tests positive with minimal to no symptoms and a very brief infection to be out for 2 weeks.
I now fully expect the Celtics to beat the Pacers in the second playin game and the team in the 13 hole to end up with Cunningham. It's just been that sort of season.
 

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It's going to be a fun day in the port cellar when DeRozan punches out the Lakers for the #8 seed.
 

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It's going to be a fun day in the port cellar when DeRozan punches out the Lakers for the #8 seed.
Would be a real shame if an asymptomatic LeBron ends up in the protocol like Lavert. Real shame.
 

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Win the play in and we get a full capacity, pent up, drunk Memorial Day weekend crowd G4 against the Kyrie Nets. That would be something.
That would be a spectacle indeed, I myself might have some choice words for my TV.

If this date coincides with the dismantling of the Cs season via sweep, it might would be ugly.
 

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I now fully expect the Celtics to beat the Pacers in the second playin game and the team in the 13 hole to end up with Cunningham. It's just been that sort of season.
Don't know whether to laugh or cry.
 

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Not surprised that 1 or more teams doesn’t bother to show up for this gimmick play in.
How is it a gimmick to be playing for a playoff ticket? If this was Game 82 for a berth that wouldn’t be any different.
 

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McDermott with the half of his life. 7/8 with 20 points. 4/5 from 3. Indiana up 69-45 at the half.
 

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Not surprised that 1 or more teams doesn’t bother to show up for this gimmick play in.
What sort of team wouldn't show up for a game to show the playoffs? Don't agree it's a gimmick, but I guess can agree to disagree. But, even if so, any team that doesn't show up is a dog of a team -- I don't see that happening at all.
 

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Yeah, CHA is just a not good defensive team that decided to focus on stopping what IND does well, and they're getting killed because a Pacers team that is averagish at best on 3PA and 3P% is taking a ton of 3s and making an insane amount, while CHA who take more 3s and hit them at a higher rate is ICE COLD.

Make or miss league.
 

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Not surprised that 1 or more teams doesn’t bother to show up for this gimmick play in.
Just to pile on, I hope it stays. It keeps more teams in contention, makes for a more exciting trade deadline where trades actually happen, helps prevent tanking (doesn't eliminate it) and it's great entertainment.

It's too bad Charlotte is getting smoked but I love the format.
 

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Say what you will about Evan Fournier, but at least he is sometimes available for postseason games.
 

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The Celtics badly missed Hayward and I really do wish him the best, but I find it hilarious that he's missing his 29th game of the year while his team gets blown out.
 

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LaMelo must be relieved that the stats from this game count as neither playoffs nor regular season (I think?)
 

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Sabonis with 14 points, 21 rebounds and 9 assists. Quite a line.

And Oshae Brissett is something else. Wasn't even on an NBA roster until April and here he is starting in the play in game. He is 10/14 with with 23 points, 5 rebounds and 2 assists atm.
 

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LaMelo must be relieved that the stats from this game count as neither playoffs nor regular season (I think?)
They have to count for one or the other. I’m guessing it will be recorded under playoffs since these are technically post-season games where salary, bonuses, etc won’t count toward.
 

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They have to count for one or the other. I’m guessing it will be recorded under playoffs since these are technically post-season games where salary, bonuses, etc won’t count toward.
Well, it’s clearly not regular season, else they wouldn’t have made such a big deal out of Curry winning the scoring title (for example). But I thought I read somewhere free it didn’t count as playoff stats, either? I guess we’ll open BB-Ref tomorrow and find out...
 

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Put some damn respect on Tatum's name.
I am holding out hope thast he will simply add most of JB's shots to his average 37, Fournier scores 15, passes better than Brown and we are hanging a banner!!!
Tatum, (I'll say it again) is like Bird in the mid post you have to double him. Have to.
 

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In general, and i know the wiz are the wiz, this was a solid ass playoff performance by the celtics. There's a level of play for the playoffs and the wizards weren't ready for it.

Credit to Brad.
 

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I’m not seeing the play-in stats under players’ career playoff numbers on BB-Ref. Which seems completely idiotic to me. So Tatum’s epic 50-spot is not recorded, except inasmuch as it helped the Cs get the #7 seed? That’s BS.
 

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The NBA needs to decide whether the play in games count as regular season games or playoff games. They can’t just be like imaginary games. Since, you know, they actually happen and actually kind of matter.
 

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The NBA needs to decide whether the play in games count as regular season games or playoff games. They can’t just be like imaginary games. Since, you know, they actually happen and actually kind of matter.
So last year they count toward regular season but this year they don’t? Seems kind of odd.