NBA Summer League 2021
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Oh yeah, duh. I was thinking about the more historical guys and despite basketball being such a genetically gifted sport, I'm surprised more all-time greats didn't have random brothers in the NBA. Giannis and I guess Steph would be the two that come to mind, but I think Seth is a pretty good player and statistically one of the best shooters in history, so its tough to lump him in with like, Kostas and Thanasis.
Skimming the list Pau was the highest I saw with an NBA brother. Their total VORP is about 94 (would be 6th all time).
LeBron is the career NBA leader with 137.28. He has an estranged half brother, but he did not play in the NBA.
Jordan is 2nd & he calls his older, 5'8 brother Larry the best player he's ever played against:
View: https://youtu.be/wl9LlUZcSdU
I would let them into the 2 on 2 tournament.
VORP isn't a big Seth Curry fan, although I believe they're still 2nd lifetime (56.3 + 3.9) over the Wilkins' (50.6 + 5.3).
Giannis would obviously be up there after he's been in the league a while. It's the problem with using counting stats for this analysis.
He's 78th all-time already at 26, though.
Kuminga highlights from last night...
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fzvqr2dZKk
Dude is 18. With the hair grown out, what he really reminds me of right now is a 6'-8" version of last year's Anthony Edwards: still mostly clueless, but just stronger and more athletic than all the other guys on the floor. Like an elite NFL linebacker playing with a bunch of skinny hoopers.
The play at 0:45 where Franz Wagner tries to D him up and just bounces off of him made me feel like an epic doofus for wanting Wagner at #7.
Jump shot is still very much a work in progress — Edwards looked like more of a natural in that regard, as even his bricks looked nice out of his hands, where Kuminga looks like he may need to get with a shot doctor, à la Kawhi. But if/when the shot comes around ... wow.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fzvqr2dZKk
Dude is 18. With the hair grown out, what he really reminds me of right now is a 6'-8" version of last year's Anthony Edwards: still mostly clueless, but just stronger and more athletic than all the other guys on the floor. Like an elite NFL linebacker playing with a bunch of skinny hoopers.
The play at 0:45 where Franz Wagner tries to D him up and just bounces off of him made me feel like an epic doofus for wanting Wagner at #7.
Jump shot is still very much a work in progress — Edwards looked like more of a natural in that regard, as even his bricks looked nice out of his hands, where Kuminga looks like he may need to get with a shot doctor, à la Kawhi. But if/when the shot comes around ... wow.
Sharife Cooper killed it tonight at least offensively. 5-8 on threes including the game winner while navigating the paint at will. He was out of position defensively that resulted in layups on two possessions that I saw.
i didn't see much of the game, but I did see the final 3 min or so, and Kuminga made 2 outstanding passes setting up what should have been easy buckets for a teammate. I must admit that little bit impressed me a great deal
Yeah Cooper definitely has ability on the offensive end. He doesn't have the high end quickness you'd want to see from a smaller player, but he actually seems to do really well changing speeds. Definitely had a much harder time getting into the paint today than he did vs PP the other night. He and Johnson flash a lot for Atlanta, but both are also turnover machines.
Nesmith just can't miss tonight. 22 points on just 12 minutes so far, going 8/9 on FG and 6/6 beyond the arc.
I say he's definitely separating himself from the competition, at least in this game.
I say he's definitely separating himself from the competition, at least in this game.
Oh yeah Yost that's a good pull. Ed was a good player in college but a role player in the pros.
I was reading about them during my research. George was one of the best players in the league because he shot 40% & Ed was bad because he only shot 32%.
I don't think they're winning the 2 on 2 tournament...
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=mikaned01&player_id1=mikange01&sum=0&request=1
Davion Mitchell looking like a real NBA player on both ends of the floor. Still not a Kispert guy though.
These announcers are a painful listen. Wizards game they are forcing optimism on the viewer with line like, “Caldwell-Pope, a player with CHAMPIONSHIP pedigree!” No you nitwit, he shares LeBrons agent and signed with LA when nobody else wanted him.
These announcers are a painful listen. Wizards game they are forcing optimism on the viewer with line like, “Caldwell-Pope, a player with CHAMPIONSHIP pedigree!” No you nitwit, he shares LeBrons agent and signed with LA when nobody else wanted him.
Not an all time great by most definitions, but Klay's brother played 5 games in the NBA in 2011-12, followed by an extended mediocre career in the g league
And amazingly still much better than his other brother Mychel who had -.2 win shares with a 2.2 PER in his 5 nba games
Some of them, got there a half hour after gates opened, waited in line for an hour to get the topshot moments, watched the Cs game, then watched half of the Pistons game to see Cade and left. Sad that I found out today that Jimmer was on the Denver team, got excited, and then it turned out he wasn't even with them yet because he'd just signed a few days ago. The upper bowl in the main gym wasn't open at all so it got mobbed for Cade and I decided I didn't want to stick around with that many people, many of them only kind of wearing masks.
Not sure what they showed on TV, but Danny was sitting courtside with Brad and Brad's son, and I think Udoka and Allison Feaster. It was fun, a bit more subdued than most years: fewer food stations open, no on-court activities during breaks, and the first 5-10 rows in the main gym were tarped off.
Cam Thomas with 22. Mobley and Suggs with some nice lines. Rookie class is shaping up to be fun.
Kuminga bullyballs Scottie Barnes to the rim on the opening possession, and mostly outplays him all game long. Looks pretty far ahead of Barnes offensively, despite being over a year younger. Maybe Barnes makes up for that deficit on D … we’ll see. Kuminga also looks like he can guard 1-5, or at worst 2-5.
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It’s going to be interesting to see what GS does with him, Wiseman and Moody. Keep them as the bridge to the future or move them now to give Steph a shot at another title? Either way there should be a clear and decisive path. I could see holding for a couple years then begin moving pieces similar to Pierce/KG......aka the move that Red refused to make. That would solidify them for another decade plus.
If Beal doesn't funnel himself to Boston they're the obvious Beal team. Wiggins (32) + Wiseman (9) + Kuminga (5) + picks for Beal (34) + Kuzma (13) or something.
If they're moving off their core, a trade construction of 2+ teams where Draymond goes out & Simmons comes in makes a lot of sense.
From comments by Myers, Kerr, Steph, and Dray, I get the sense they’re cooling by the minute on the idea of moving the young assets for another “established star,” for any number of reasons, from the compounding luxury taxes on the $40M+ salary any of these guys are going to be pulling; to potential fit issues (on and off court); to the fact that they just added Porter Jr., Bjelica, and Iguodala on minimum contracts; to the emotional attachment and organizational pride that gets bound up in young prospects from the moment you draft them.
I don’t think it’s that tricky to carry three developmental projects on the roster while also chasing a title. Santa Cruz is just two hours away. Poole has already graduated from the development program moved into the core rotation (probably tabbed to get ~30 mpg while Klay recovers). That gives a pretty deep and talented core of vets while Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody develop: Curry, Poole, Lee, Thompson, Iguodala, Wiggins, Porter Jr., Toscano-Anderson, Green, Bjelica, Looney. You almost don’t want more vets than that, as it can complicate the natural pecking order.
Is that a championship core? Probably not, but having a top five guy at his peak gives you a puncher’s chance. Surround him with four fellow OG champions (Dray, Dre, Klay, Loon), trust that gym rat Poole at 22 is primed to take another leap forward, keep fingers crossed for good health for Klay and Porter Jr., and see what happens.
Anyway, I like that plan more than selling the farm (plus losing Wiggins or Green) for Beal or Simmons.
I think with the Lakers experiment going on, the West is really wide open and the Warriors deserve to be considered strong contenders heading into the season.
Preseason feel-good talk aside, it seems like a no-brainer for the Warriors to move their young assets for an established veteran star. Given the age of their core as well as Curry's level of play and the fact that they haven't been able to fully monetize their new venue yet, they have to be feeling some pressure to take another shot or two. Just on paper, they should be considered the odds on favorite for a player like Beal if he really becomes available.
The Warriors will need a competitive team after Curry retires, to continue their cash printing machine. Two or three 24 win seasons post Curry could be bad for business.
Ownership already has championships. Cashing in their recent lottery draftees for vets might get them another title, but bringing them along with the Core Three (with ring chasing minvets) might get them too, while setting up the team post-Curry.
Ownership already has championships. Cashing in their recent lottery draftees for vets might get them another title, but bringing them along with the Core Three (with ring chasing minvets) might get them too, while setting up the team post-Curry.
This is how I lean as well. They could get themselves up real nice for a dozen years while still remaining competitive with Curry.
Yeah I think the Warriors are clearly in the top 5 teams with best chance to win the NBA title this year. Now that could change of course if Klay is only a shadow of his former self when he returns.
Wiggins doesn't get any respect, and he doesn't deserve much based on the Timberwolf years, but he player Really well last season, especially on defense. I don't think you'll find a better #4 on a contender.
And while Wiseman is still developing. He doesn't need to be a #1 for this team, he needs to be the 5th best guy on the floor for 20-25 min a night without because a huge negative. I think he can do that.
Personally I think GS should keep their assets for now. If the season comes and Klay isn't back, or injuries occur, then maybe they use some of this dynamic young talent to go get a veteran, because other than maybe Simmons, I don't think anyone gets dealt in the offseason, at least not without a ridiculous overpay
Curry is so absurdly good if Klay is anything like his former self they should start packaging kids/picks for veteran talent.
Wiseman will never move the needle, let some rebuilder dream on him. Christian Wood would be a nice fit
Haven't seen anything definitive, but it looks like the C's will be in the "championship game" Tuesday nite. In the event multiple teams end up 4-0, which is likely to be the case, point differential will be the tiebreaker, and the C's won by 2, 25, 37 and 20 points.
I'm too lazy to do the math on other teams, but I'm guessing that'll be tough to beat.
I'm too lazy to do the math on other teams, but I'm guessing that'll be tough to beat.
Two of the following would need to occur to knock BOS out of the championship game:
MIN beats PHI (7pm ET) by 37+
NO beats GS (9pm ET) by 40+
SAC beats DAL (3pm ET) by 46+
UTA beats LAC (5pm ET) by 59+
BOS' 35 point win over ORL is the highest point differential to date, so I think you can write BOS into the championship game.
Thanks. I know summer league doesn't mean much, but I hope Yam is available tomorrow nite.
Watching Sacramento try to extend their 18-pt 4Q lead to 29 to secure 2nd place is ummmm......unique?
Yes. Typically you see the Kings tanking late season games.
I can’t recall a fight in an SL game before today.
I can’t recall a fight in an SL game before today.
Jason Preston may be one of the most unimpressive rookies I’ve seen this week. I doubt he plays a single minute in the NBA.
With UTA out of the running, BOS is +84, SAC is +55
Both of the following would need to occur to knock BOS out of the championship game:
MIN beats PHI (7pm ET) by 37+ (by 8+ to knock SAC out of the championship game)
NO beats GS (9pm ET) by 40+ (by 11+ to knock SAC out of the championship game)
Both of the following would need to occur to knock BOS out of the championship game:
MIN beats PHI (7pm ET) by 37+ (by 8+ to knock SAC out of the championship game)
NO beats GS (9pm ET) by 40+ (by 11+ to knock SAC out of the championship game)
I'm an Ohio grad (from the Nee era) and I don't know why he left. I guessed he must have impressed at the combine camp they had.
He's hitting some shots today, but other than assists it's been a pretty brutal week.
Loved him as a college player but he doesn’t have the skill set to overcome his physical disadvantages at the NBA level. He’s really been exposed this week.