NBA Summer League 2021

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Subject to Covid-related changes, here is the current summary:

https://www.nba.com/news/nba-announces-schedules-for-summer-league-2021
NEW YORK – The NBA announced today the game and broadcast schedules for MGM Resorts NBA Summer League 2021, which will take place Aug. 8-17 at Thomas & Mack Center and Cox Pavilion on the campus of the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. All 75 games of the 10-day competition will air live on television on ESPN networks or NBA TV. Every game will also be available to stream on the ESPN App.
The 16th MGM Resorts NBA Summer League will feature all 30 NBA teams playing five games each. After every team plays four games, the two teams with the best records from the first four games will meet in the Championship Game on Tuesday, Aug. 17 at 9 p.m. ET on ESPN. The tiebreak criteria to determine the participants in the Championship Game are available here. The 28 teams that do not play in the Championship Game will play a fifth game on Aug. 16 or Aug. 17.
Full schedule with broadcast listings:
PDF of full schedule: https://pr.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/46/2021/07/MGM-Resorts-NBA-Summer-League-2021-Schedule.pdf

Celtics only schedule:
  • August 8th, 4 pm EST vs. Atlanta (NBA TV, Cox Arena)
  • August 10th, 7 pm EST vs. Denver (ESPNU, Thomas & Mack)
  • August 12th, 7 pm EST vs. Orlando (ESPN2, Cox Arena)
  • August 14th, 5 pm EST vs. Philadelphia (NBA TV, Cox Arena)
  • August 16-17th, Playoffs

Celtics roster still TBA but Brad confirmed:
Yam Madar, Payton Pritchard, Carsen Edwards, Romeo Langford, Aaron Nesmith, Moses Brown.
 

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Vegas is back to masks indoors now as their Covid numbers skyrocket. The difference from last year is that they are remaining open with people traveling in and out.

My bold prediction? Summer League cancelled.
 

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Yeah, the mask thing went back into effect today (I live in Vegas).

Doubt they cancel, but may restrict public attendance. I definitely won't be going this year regardless.
 

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Yeah, the mask thing went back into effect today (I live in Vegas).

Doubt they cancel, but may restrict public attendance. I definitely won't be going this year regardless.
Aren't the players smart enough to get vaccinated by now? Can go along w/no attendance for something like this, but killing the league is not necessary.
 

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Aren't the players smart enough to get vaccinated by now? Can go along w/no attendance for something like this, but killing the league is not necessary.
You'd think the whole country would be smart enough, but here we are [shrug].

I think they'll play it, though.
 

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Vegas is back to masks indoors now as their Covid numbers skyrocket. The difference from last year is that they are remaining open with people traveling in and out.

My bold prediction? Summer League cancelled.
I hope this prediction fizzles out just like your call that PBS would move Jaylen last night. ;)
 

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Aren't the players smart enough to get vaccinated by now? Can go along w/no attendance for something like this, but killing the league is not necessary.
Doesn’t matter. The breakthrough numbers are skyrocketing too.
 

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Aren't the players smart enough to get vaccinated by now? Can go along w/no attendance for something like this, but killing the league is not necessary.
Not every player is vaccinated, and that's true for all sports in this and most (if not all) countries.

Probably still worth having even if no fans are allowed. Teams are looking at this as an opportunity to see their young guys. There's benefit.
 

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Celtics roster still TBA but Brad confirmed:
Yam Madar, Payton Pritchard, Carsen Edwards, Romeo Langford, Aaron Nesmith, Moses Brown.
Brothers Dedric and KJ Lawson are said to have agreed to play for the Celtics out in Vegas too.
 

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Vegas is back to masks indoors now as their Covid numbers skyrocket. The difference from last year is that they are remaining open with people traveling in and out.

My bold prediction? Summer League cancelled.
A buddy of mine with NBA contacts says that's the prevailing talk.
 

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Why not continue without fans and limit it to players willing to be vaccinated?
 

lexrageorge

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Doesn’t matter. The breakthrough numbers are skyrocketing too.
A ton of misreporting abounds on the frequency of breakthroughs. They are definitely not skyrocketing.

In other news, 9 of 10 people that completely ignore the base rate fallacy are right handed.
 
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A ton of misreporting abounds on the frequency of breakthroughs. They are definitely not skyrocketing.

In other news, 9 of 10 people that completely ignore the base rate fallacy are right handed.
I personally know of 5 people who are breakthroughs in the past two weeks including myself right now and this thing hasn’t even began spreading yet. For another forum but anyone who tries to tell me how when those “rare breakthroughs” occur you are protected from serious symptoms can go F themselves (not referring to you) and if/when I fully recover I’d like to punch them in the F’in face bc they DON’T know what they are talking about! Carry on.
 

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I personally know of 5 people who are breakthroughs in the past two weeks including myself right now and this thing hasn’t even began spreading yet. For another forum but anyone who tries to tell me how when those “rare breakthroughs” occur you are protected from serious symptoms can go F themselves (not referring to you) and if/when I fully recover I’d like to punch them in the F’in face bc they DON’T know what they are talking about! Carry on.
Good luck, man. I don't know any vaccinated folks who ended up hospitalized, but I know a few who felt like shit for a week. Think on the bright side, you'd probably be even more fucked if you weren't vaxxed.
 

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Good luck, man. I don't know any vaccinated folks who ended up hospitalized, but I know a few who felt like shit for a week. Think on the bright side, you'd probably be even more fucked if you weren't vaxxed.
Thank you and yes, that’s what I keep telling myself too.
 

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HRB--feel better.

We can now add the NBA Summer League to last year's NBA, MLB, NHL, NFL, this season's MLB, the Olympics, and every other even that was predicted to be canceled.
 

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I personally know of 5 people who are breakthroughs in the past two weeks including myself right now and this thing hasn’t even began spreading yet. For another forum but anyone who tries to tell me how when those “rare breakthroughs” occur you are protected from serious symptoms can go F themselves (not referring to you) and if/when I fully recover I’d like to punch them in the F’in face bc they DON’T know what they are talking about! Carry on.
Well, it’s probably well past the “hasn’t even began spreading yet”. This variant has likely spread through far more of the population (both vaxxed and unvaxxed ) than is widely reported. Probably can multiply the official cases by 10 at least, and even more in places like NV.

And, we need you here, so get well soon.
 

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Well, it’s probably well past the “hasn’t even began spreading yet”. This variant has likely spread through far more of the population (both backed and untaxed) than is widely reported. Probably can multiply the official cases by 10 at least, and even more in places like NV.

And, we need you here, so get well soon.
Ha! Thank you.

No I agree about the “true” numbers which is why the point I was trying to make was that the data being looked at today doesn’t reflect what is really happening.
 

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I personally know of 5 people who are breakthroughs in the past two weeks including myself right now and this thing hasn’t even began spreading yet. For another forum but anyone who tries to tell me how when those “rare breakthroughs” occur you are protected from serious symptoms can go F themselves (not referring to you) and if/when I fully recover I’d like to punch them in the F’in face bc they DON’T know what they are talking about! Carry on.
If you only know 5, vaccine is going great guns!

Get better soon. Pound those fluids.
 

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Well, it’s probably well past the “hasn’t even began spreading yet”. This variant has likely spread through far more of the population (both vaxxed and unvaxxed ) than is widely reported. Probably can multiply the official cases by 10 at least, and even more in places like NV.

And, we need you here, so get well soon.
Agreed. Get well HRB. The subforum wouldn't be as interesting without you.
 

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I personally know of 5 people who are breakthroughs in the past two weeks including myself right now and this thing hasn’t even began spreading yet. For another forum but anyone who tries to tell me how when those “rare breakthroughs” occur you are protected from serious symptoms can go F themselves (not referring to you) and if/when I fully recover I’d like to punch them in the F’in face bc they DON’T know what they are talking about! Carry on.
Hope you feel better soon. Rest up and recover for summer league.
 

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I personally know of 5 people who are breakthroughs in the past two weeks including myself right now and this thing hasn’t even began spreading yet. For another forum but anyone who tries to tell me how when those “rare breakthroughs” occur you are protected from serious symptoms can go F themselves (not referring to you) and if/when I fully recover I’d like to punch them in the F’in face bc they DON’T know what they are talking about! Carry on.
I'm with you and about 15 people at my work also were breakthrough cases. I think covid amongst the vaccinated is way more prevalent than being reported which is fine because the cases are mostly mild, but it is happening and happening quickly
 

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I'm with you and about 15 people at my work also were breakthrough cases. I think covid amongst the vaccinated is way more prevalent than being reported which is fine because the cases are mostly mild, but it is happening and happening quickly
This is what I’ve seen and what I’m talking about. You are spot on. The media isn’t reporting it bc the data isn’t updated if there is even data or if they don’t want this data out.

Anyway.....didn’t mean to derail thread but people need to know what’s really happening.
 

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This is what I’ve seen and what I’m talking about. You are spot on. The media isn’t reporting it bc the data isn’t updated if there is even data or if they don’t want this data out.

Anyway.....didn’t mean to derail thread but people need to know what’s really happening.
sorry to hijack but breakthrough #s are being reported, just on the local level, not the national level as CDC is only keeping track of severe illness and deaths among vaccinated. For example, LA County numbers are in tweet below.

Note that as vaccination rate goes up, the absolute cases among vaccinated will go up so there will be lots of stories of breakthrough infections but data says that for non-elderly and non-immuno-compromised, vaccine is super effective.

View: https://twitter.com/youyanggu/status/1417601977052172295
 

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

The more we see of studies/numbers like this the less chance we see of Summer League ball this year. Speaking as someone pro-vaccine this is a bad bad look on many levels.
There is some important context missing. There were likely tens of thousands of tourists in Provincetown that weekend in which the outbreak was seeded. Most were vaccinated; the "official" town stats had Provincetown at 108% vaccination; those numbers are obviously wonky due to accounting of the seasonal arrivals. Bars were packed, and weather was frequently iffy, so people were indoors as well. Could not have planned a better "superspreader" event. Still, 2-3 weeks later and we're talking 900 or so total cases from that cluster. 4 vaccinated people were hospitalized for precautionary reasons due to comorbidities.

The Biogen conference last year had far fewer people and seeded tens of thousands of cases in MA alone in the first month. The vaccine not only did its job, it did a far better job than the media misreporting would have you believe.
 

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I thought I read somewhere that Begarin was going. can't find it.
You did. There have been some reports saying that he’s on the roster and others saying that it isn’t decided whether he’ll be there. That’s the thing about SL.......both of these reports are likely correct. It doesn’t hurt to add him to the roster then decide later this week what to do with him.
 

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Out of curiousity, what is the contract situation for someone like Madar? He can't participate in the regular season because he is under contract. But, what is his situation now? Does he have some sort of "summer league contract" that pays him for his participation in summer league only? If I was his other team, I'd probably be a bit pissed if he got himself injured in summer league. Of course, he can also get injured just working out in the offseason, but certainly summer league would seem to be more risky than your typical, offseason workout program.
 

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Out of curiousity, what is the contract situation for someone like Madar? He can't participate in the regular season because he is under contract. But, what is his situation now? Does he have some sort of "summer league contract" that pays him for his participation in summer league only? If I was his other team, I'd probably be a bit pissed if he got himself injured in summer league. Of course, he can also get injured just working out in the offseason, but certainly summer league would seem to be more risky than your typical, offseason workout program.
It's only a few games and pretty low risk. The upside is that the Celtics fall in love and throw buyout money to his team. That would be great for them.
 

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Out of curiousity, what is the contract situation for someone like Madar? He can't participate in the regular season because he is under contract. But, what is his situation now? Does he have some sort of "summer league contract" that pays him for his participation in summer league only? If I was his other team, I'd probably be a bit pissed if he got himself injured in summer league. Of course, he can also get injured just working out in the offseason, but certainly summer league would seem to be more risky than your typical, offseason workout program.
My guess is that his current team gave him permission to participate, figuring that there is nothing to be gained by blocking players from getting a taste of the NBA when they get the chance. The NBA really has worked hard to develop good working relationships w/ FIBA and the international leagues, and Madar's participation in the summer league is just one example of the benefits of those relationships.
 

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Out of curiousity, what is the contract situation for someone like Madar? He can't participate in the regular season because he is under contract. But, what is his situation now? Does he have some sort of "summer league contract" that pays him for his participation in summer league only? If I was his other team, I'd probably be a bit pissed if he got himself injured in summer league. Of course, he can also get injured just working out in the offseason, but certainly summer league would seem to be more risky than your typical, offseason workout program.
Summer league is a paid per diem ($1500 per day I think it was) and not technically a contract from what I understand. I don’t know how that is allowed under his current Israeli deal.....it doesn’t “feel” like it should be allowed though. Weird all around.
 

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Kevin Knox out due to COVID protocols. Not a great start to summer league.
What happened to Knox? He looked promising as a 19 year old rookie and has regressed the last two years while losing his role on the newfangled Knicks. Could he be a buy-low option for wing scoring off the bench?