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I mean they have to try and win games. Their long term future is gross. Conley gives them more defense (Russell is/was god awful) and they get him for another year.
Control and economics make sense. The skillset is a fit too.

The thing with Conley is that he is old, injury prone and is showing signs of decline in a league that punishes players of his profile as they age. He is still a very good passer so maybe this unlocks more than just Edwards . But it feels more like hope than a strategy.

Counterpoint is that The Athletic's Zach Harper gives Tim Connelly an A minus for the trade. So maybe its a huge upgrade.
 

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Oh wow. This could be a thread. Using the Top 5FA signed by an organization, what is the worst team.
San Antonio has to be up there. They signed guys like Avery Johnson and Bruce Bowen but don’t think they’ve ever signed a marquee FA, unless you count an old Dominique.
 

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San Antonio has to be up there. They signed guys like Avery Johnson and Bruce Bowen but don’t think they’ve ever signed a marquee FA, unless you count an old Dominique.
Malik Rose was a good role player for them I believe he was a low-level FA signing early in his career.
 

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The Lakers did fine because:

1. Westbrook stinks
2. They managed to protect their 1st round pick top 4
3. Their roster is so bad that DLo, Beasley, and Vanderbilt are somewhat useful

Given the options after the Kyrie trade, I would say it's a solid move for them but let's not pretend they got anyone particularly good. LakerTrade.png
 

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The Lakers did fine because:

1. Westbrook stinks
2. They managed to protect their 1st round pick top 4
3. Their roster is so bad that DLo, Beasley, and Vanderbilt are somewhat useful

Given the options after the Kyrie trade, I would say it's a solid move for them but let's not pretend they got anyone particularly good.
Agreed, the hand wringing here is a bit much. It's not quite deck chairs on the titanic, but they need Lebron to stay motivated and productive and they need AD healthy and aggressive. Nothing that happened today changes that, at this point they'll be fortunate to finish 7th or 8th and get 2 shots at the play in. A significant chunk of their improvement today has to be addition by subtraction with Westbrook, but DAR is one of those guys who never seems like he'll be a useful piece on a good team.

I'm really curious to see how hard Lebron pushes himself now that he's got the record. It was baffling seeing him sit out at the end of what was a very important game for them.
 

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Conley is also a great fit for MIN... yes he's getting old, but he's better than Russell, and more importantly he's an adult who can run an offense and lead a team that is loaded with fragile guys. I mean, their best run came because Pat Bev was a leader... and Pat Bev is a kinda terrible leader... but compared to the rest of the basketcases on that roster at least he wasn't scared of the moment.
 

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Agreed, the hand wringing here is a bit much. It's not quite deck chairs on the titanic, but they need Lebron to stay motivated and productive and they need AD healthy and aggressive.
The best thing the Lakers did today is figure out a way to play terrible players less often. This is certainly helpful, but also entirely self inflicted.

The guys they got are not that good, but have a pretty high WAPL (Wins Above Previous Laker)

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It amazes me how much hatred there is for the Lakers. I get it, they were a great and hated rival in the 80's. Why the need to hang on to that anger though? Let it go friends :)
Because of Pau Gasol's ugly face and Kobe Bryant's ugly soul, friend. And because Lakers fans. I have had a lot of bad nights because of the Lakers, one far worse than the others. Only the Heat come close.

And Magic Johnson's career still echoes in today's NBA, as Lebron James' contract can tell you.

Edit: holy fuck, Durant to Phoenix? For 4 firsts and a swap? Goddamn, Joseph Tsai settling all the family business. That deal is in-Tsain.
 

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That's a hell of a trade for the lakers.
The Lakers did a great job shoring up their rotation.
Lakers win big.
Exactly. This is a great trade for the lakers
Counterpoint: LAL had exactly two bullets left in the chamber to improve around LBJ and AD and they just used one bullet on.... D'Angelo Russell. Those draft picks are some of the most prized assets in the trade market— and while LA did well to keep 1-4 protection on the one they dealt, they can't trade the "what if it turns out to be 1-4?" equity. It's off the market now.

I think if Westbrook hadn't forced the issue, they would have been better off dealing one or both of those picks for somebody who could conceivably be the 3rd banana on a contending team (or at least fringe contender).
 

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Counterpoint: LAL had exactly two bullets left in the chamber to improve around LBJ and AD and they just used one bullet on.... D'Angelo Russell. Those draft picks are some of the most prized assets in the trade market— and while LA did well to keep 1-4 protection on the one they dealt, they can't trade the "what if it turns out to be 1-4?" equity. It's off the market now.

I think if Westbrook hadn't forced the issue, they would have been better off dealing one or both of those picks for somebody who could conceivably be the 3rd banana on a contending team (or at least fringe contender).
I don't think those picks are anywhere near as prized as you think, they're valued the same as any other far future 1sts.
They got 3 legitimate NBA rotation players for Russ and one protected pick... that's really good. They weren't getting a star, with 2 picks and expiring, there just isn't the market.
On top of that, getting Russell back is actually big, because he's a much better use of a contract next offseason than Russ, the Lakers can't really afford to let that salary slot lapse, staying over the cap is more valuable.
 

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I don't think those picks are anywhere near as prized as you think, they're valued the same as any other far future 1sts.
They got 3 legitimate NBA rotation players for Russ and one protected pick... that's really good. They weren't getting a star, with 2 picks and expiring, there just isn't the market.
On top of that, getting Russell back is actually big, because he's a much better use of a contract next offseason than Russ, the Lakers can't really afford to let that salary slot lapse, staying over the cap is more valuable.
I don't agree with the bolded— they still have one of the worst 5-10 year horizons in the league, even granting their satanic ability to attract marquee free agent talent — but the point about contracts is a good one.

Edit: this analysis by Zack Kram captures both sides of the argument pretty fairly:

The downside of opting for role players is obvious: They don’t raise the Lakers’ ceiling as much as a player worth both first-round picks would, and the Lakers are so far behind in the West that they might need a much higher ceiling to realistically compete. As is, this roster still presents major issues: They have frightfully few wing defenders—neither Russell nor Beasley helps on that end of the floor—and Davis hasn’t looked the same since his recent return from injury.

But the Lakers didn’t have to spend much to round out their roster for at least an honest attempt at a playoff push. Frankly, one might have expected shedding Westbrook’s contract alone to cost a first-round pick—and the Lakers were able to make that deal, and give that pick top-four protections, and add three useful players to their end of the bargain. The 2027 first will reportedly convert into a second-rounder if it lands in the top four, which means L.A. can trade its 2029 first-rounder without running afoul of the Stepien Rule too.
 
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I don't agree with the bolded— they still have one of the worst 5-10 year horizons in the league, even granting their satanic ability to attract marquee free agent talent — but the point about contracts is a good one.

Edit: this analysis by Zack Kram captures both sides of the argument pretty fairly:
I think he’s overstating the difference between role players and better players who would still be role players on a LeBron/AD team. Russell has the offensive firepower to carry the team on nights he has it going as well which provides value as LeBron/AD get a night of lower usage. They didn’t have that with Schroder/Beverly.
 

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The guys they got are not that good, but have a pretty high WAPL (Wins Above Previous Laker)
Yes, that’s why this is a good play for them. Unlike others, I like this for Utah and Minnesota as well. The backstop on the draft pick is weak but sending a top four protected first would have fans around here screaming from the rooftops (just look at the response to last years trade!) Minnesota breaks up a useless tag team and snags some veteran leadership for basically nothing. They still aren’t good but that was due to previous moves not this one.
 

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This appears to be an up-to-date summary of whose future picks are going where.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

I don’t know if we’ll look back on these heady days as the time when teams forgot about the value of draft picks, or the time when teams realized that when draftees are getting paid at age 22-23, picks outside the top 5 or so don’t really matter.
 

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Have we discussed the Poeltl deal? What is up with Toronto? They trying to compete this year or do they just like Poeltl?

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I think the calculus is basically this: they nearly have a top-ten offense, but their defense is thoroughly mediocre for a team that's stacked with long, athletic defenders. Basically they have no one who is a dedicated and good rim protector. Poeltl gives them a guy who can protect the rim while the long, young guys run around harassing ballhandlers and wings.

It's a good bet to make them more competitive, and if they resign him, they have a nice defensive centerpiece for the future.

They were already underperforming their NRTG, fwiw (theirs is .8+, good for 13th in the league).
 

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They like Poetl and wanted exclusive negotiating rights to resign him is my guess.
Well no exclusive rights since he's a UFA and an extension makes no sense for him, but yeah they did it for his Bird rights. They badly need a C going forward, they like him, he was there before, and they have no real avenue to cap space so they have to trade for him to offer a deal.
 

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Agreed, the hand wringing here is a bit much. It's not quite deck chairs on the titanic, but they need Lebron to stay motivated and productive and they need AD healthy and aggressive. Nothing that happened today changes that, at this point they'll be fortunate to finish 7th or 8th and get 2 shots at the play in. A significant chunk of their improvement today has to be addition by subtraction with Westbrook, but DAR is one of those guys who never seems like he'll be a useful piece on a good team.

I'm really curious to see how hard Lebron pushes himself now that he's got the record. It was baffling seeing him sit out at the end of what was a very important game for them.
And Utah and Portland seemingly tanking. Unless OKC steps up big and Wolves hold on they are going to at least get 10 seed. Barring an injury to one or both of the two big guns of course. :)
 

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The best thing the Lakers did today is figure out a way to play terrible players less often. This is certainly helpful, but also entirely self inflicted.

The guys they got are not that good, but have a pretty high WAPL (Wins Above Previous Laker)

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Thank you for the new metric. It will come in handy.
 

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Well no exclusive rights since he's a UFA and an extension makes no sense for him, but yeah they did it for his Bird rights. They badly need a C going forward, they like him, he was there before, and they have no real avenue to cap space so they have to trade for him to offer a deal.
Robb is reporting that TOR's 1R pick is protected 1-6 and that Cs offered Gallo, PP, and multiple 2nd round picks, which was turned down: https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/02/spurs-declined-celtics-trade-offer-for-jakob-poeltl-that-included-second-round-picks-players.html.

At that price, I guess TOR really has to re-sign Poeltl. That puts him in the driver's seat.
 

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That’s gotta be frustrating to Pritchard. Let’s see if his agent is worth a damn and gets a deal done at a place where he can get minutes.
Gallo + PP to the Pistons for Burks could make some sense.

With Cade out, they're playing CoJo significant minutes, & he doesn't seem like a particular fit in their long-term plans.
 

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Smart-Brown-Tatum-Horford-White/Williams vs Holiday-Middleton-Crowder-Giannis-Lopez closing lineups in the ECF. Buckle up.