New BA Top 10 Prospect List

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BEST TOOLS

Best Hitter for Average: Nick Yorke
Best Power Hitter: Blaze Jordan
Best Strike-Zone Discipline: Nick Yorke
Fastest Baserunner: Jarren Duran
Best Athlete: Gilberto Jimenez
Best Fastball: Brandon Walter
Best Curveball: Jay Groome
Best Slider: Bryan Mata
Best Changeup: Brayan Bello
Best Control: Connor Seabold
Best Defensive Catcher: Connor Wong
Best Defensive Infielder: Marcelo Mayer
Best Infield Arm: Marcelo Mayer
Best Defensive Outfielder: Ceddanne Rafaela
Best Outfield Arm: Gilberto Jimenez
 

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Boy, Chris "Boomer" Berman would have a field day with these guys.

1. Marcelo "Oscar" Mayer
2. Triston "Houses" Casas
3. Nick "New" Yorke
4. Jarren "Hands of Stone" Duran
5. Brayan "Too Loud" Bello
6. Jeter "Goin Up" Downs
7. Blaze "Inferno" Jordan
8. Bryan "Bush" Mata
9. Josh "Just kiddin'" Winckowski
10. Jay "Not-a-Bride" Groome
 

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Tough to argue with this list. I'd probably flip Mayer and Casas considering Casas could be up as early as next year and Mayer is still probably 2 years away. But I get it, Mayer plays a premium position and has a higher ceiling. Blaze is probably a little high too considering how far away he is and his lack of a position. But again I get it considering his power is plus plus.
 

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Tough to argue with this list. I'd probably flip Mayer and Casas considering Casas could be up as early as next year and Mayer is still probably 2 years away. But I get it, Mayer plays a premium position and has a higher ceiling. Blaze is probably a little high too considering how far away he is and his lack of a position. But again I get it considering his power is plus plus.
Is Blaze really that far away? He should be starting the year in Salem.
 

Cesar Crespo

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Why is Downs still so high?
Because it's an internal list and the quality falls off after Bello, even if they are deep.

Gilberto isn't top 10 but he could easily be 6th or 7th. Him not being in the top 10 is totally acceptable too. Mata hasn't pitched in 2 years and is 8th.

Plus Downs had a strange AFL, though I'm not sure if that played into the ratings. Him jumping over AA was probably considered too.

Sox prospects still has him at 5.
 

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Because it's an internal list and the quality falls off after Bello, even if they are deep.

Gilberto isn't top 10 but he could easily be 6th or 7th. Him not being in the top 10 is totally acceptable too. Mata hasn't pitched in 2 years and is 8th.

Plus Downs had a strange AFL, though I'm not sure if that played into the ratings. Him jumping over AA was probably considered too.

Sox prospects still has him at 5.
Cool. Ty
 

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I think Downs is in the right spot. Obviously shouldn't be over the other guys right now, but it's not surprising that a 22 year old struggled in AAA, after having no AA experience and a completely lost year. I'm still really high on him and think he will be the best piece of that trade.
 

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I’m glad to see Jimenez up there and I’m bullish on him as a future CF’er. Athleticism and a strong arm will go a long way towards him improving his defensive shortcomings along with more seasoning there. I think he’ll advance to the top 3 after ‘22 and see time with Boston by ‘23.
 

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Winckowski higher that Seabold is a little surprising, no? Feels like a big drop off after the top three and while the positional talent is very encouraging, pitching leaves a bit to be desired at the point.
 

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Winckowski higher that Seabold is a little surprising, no? Feels like a big drop off after the top three and while the positional talent is very encouraging, pitching leaves a bit to be desired at the point.
Seabold would have made the list but he pitched with Worcester last night.

I respect Speier’s work but the issue with ordinal rankings is they drive a perception that there is a significant gap between “on the list” and “off the list.” In the case of the Red Sox, there likely is a greater gap between four and five or six and seven than between 10 and 12 or, for that matter, nine and 13.
 

Sandy Leon Trotsky

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Seabold would have made the list but he pitched with Worcester last night.

I respect Speier’s work but the issue with ordinal rankings is they drive a perception that there is a significant gap between “on the list” and “off the list.” In the case of the Red Sox, there likely is a greater gap between four and five or six and seven than between 10 and 12 or, for that matter, nine and 13.
I hope I don't come off as a jerk here... but what are you talking about? I'm just confused by your phrasing here on the "gaps" but also Seabold pitching Worcester "last night"....
 

Cesar Crespo

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I hope I don't come off as a jerk here... but what are you talking about? I'm just confused by your phrasing here on the "gaps" but also Seabold pitching Worcester "last night"....
I have no clue about Seabold pitching but they just mean there's a bigger drop off in talent between Duran and Bello than there is Jordan and Groome. Downs is 6th, Gilberto is "off the list." The difference between the 2 is miniscule and mostly preference.

Sox Prospect, the first 6 guys are the same as BAs list. They also have Jordan and Groome, but unlike BA, they have Seabold at 8 and Gilberto at 7 instead of Mata 11th and Winckowski 14th.

On most team list, players 6-15 or so are of similar value. They should probably be bunched up in a tier rather than individually ranked.
 

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I hope I don't come off as a jerk here... but what are you talking about? I'm just confused by your phrasing here on the "gaps" but also Seabold pitching Worcester "last night"....
This is why I don’t think. It can only hurt the ball club.

My muddled point was that the difference between the absent Seabold and Winckowski or Groome and the excluded Walter or similar combinations of a handful of players on and off the list is likely minimal and perhaps even negligible. There probably are much more significant differences between consecutively-ranked players higher on the list.

Seabold wallowing in Worcester was a throwaway line about the wasted opportunity for the Red Sox to assess organizational pitching depth in September rather than watching Brad Peacock get killed in the Fens with a noodle bat.
 

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I have no clue about Seabold pitching but they just mean there's a bigger drop off in talent between Duran and Bello than there is Jordan and Groome. Downs is 6th, Gilberto is "off the list." The difference between the 2 is miniscule and mostly preference.

Sox Prospect, the first 6 guys are the same as BAs list. They also have Jordan and Groome, but unlike BA, they have Seabold at 8 and Gilberto at 7 instead of Mata 11th and Winckowski 14th.

On most team list, players 6-15 or so are of similar value. They should probably be bunched up in a tier rather than individually ranked.
It's a lot easier to put up a top ten list for each team than trying to explain why you put up a top 7 to top 15 list for each team, depending on talent tiers. Although Fangraphs does do things like that sometimes.