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Looking for a 75" (or very close to it) television. Sadly, it looks like plasma isn't an option anymore at that size. Looked at the Samsung UN75H6350, but surprised to see quite a few recent bad reviews regarding build quality at Amazon. I don't care about 3D or really smart tv features, but preferably under $2,500 to take advantage of Mass. tax-free weekend. Suggestions, anyone, for  watching live sports and DVDs for most of its use?
 
 
 
I'm pretty happy with my recent purchase of the Vizio M2i-B series.  It gets near-best-in-class rating for picture quality from CNet and combined with a low price tag I think it's the best LED value of 2014.  I got the 55", it maxes out at 70" I think.
 

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I've been watching the deals at Dell. If you have a need for other stuff at Dell (additional TVs, other electronics, a laptop) you can get some good deals w/ gift cards.  I recently purchased a 42" Vizio for the bedroom for $500 w/ a $200 GC in return.  Then I bought a 60" LG for the family room for 950 (minus the $200 GC so $750) and it came w/ a $300 GC.  I bought a 32" Samsung to donate to a charity raffle for $225 w/ a $125 GC in return.  So I am sitting on $425 worth of GCs that I will probably get a PS4 with.
 
This thread is doing a decent job of tracking the Dell deals:
http://slickdeals.net/f/7126368-hdtvs-w-dell-egift-cards-65-sharp-aquos-lc-65le643u-w-roku-stick-350-gc-1198-55-samsung-un55h6350-300-gc-998-46-samsung-un46h5203-200-gc-598-more-free-ship
 

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Thanks, folks. The Vizio is certainly interesting at that price. I see Sharp with a pair of 70" units getting on some lists: the LC70SQ15U and the LC70UQ17U. Seems like Samsung has the only offerings at 75" for under $3K.
 
 
Edit: Pulled the trigger on the 70" M Vizio for $1,848 at Sam's Club with free delivery.
 

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TV is en route, so now looking for a wall mount recommendation. Weight of Vizio is a tad over 60 pounds with VESA 400 mounting. I am not really concerned with side-to-side swivel. Maybe it doesn't exist, but would like a mount with significant ability to move TV up and down vertically and also tilt orientation.
 

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One just showed up on Kickstarter today actually: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mantelmount/own-a-flat-screen-tv-mantelmount-is-for-you?ref=nav_search
 
I just bought a house where it looks like the only logical mounting spot will be above the fireplace (which I personally hate and may actually consider ripping out the gas fireplace for). One potential issue and I e-mailed the company on Kickstarter: doesn't appear to be a vertical tilt option and looks like may just have a fixed 9 degree tilt to it.
 
Other than this, I've seen almost nothing out on the market that supports up and down.
 

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Dernells Casket n Flagon said:
One just showed up on Kickstarter today actually: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mantelmount/own-a-flat-screen-tv-mantelmount-is-for-you?ref=nav_search
 
I just bought a house where it looks like the only logical mounting spot will be above the fireplace (which I personally hate and may actually consider ripping out the gas fireplace for). One potential issue and I e-mailed the company on Kickstarter: doesn't appear to be a vertical tilt option and looks like may just have a fixed 9 degree tilt to it.
 
Other than this, I've seen almost nothing out on the market that supports up and down.
 
Thanks, I see mobile cart/mounts that will do it, but have no interest in wheeling TV around nor in having a mount base with a big footprint on the floor below the TV. 
 

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So, the good news is, my three-year-old son may have an excellent career as a left- handed middle reliever. The bad news is, he used his nascent skillz to throw a toy train into my TV this morning and spiderwebbed the screen pretty good.
I really think you should downsize, go with a strike zone sized TV so when the kid hits a real mound he'll have a feel for what's a ball and what's a strike. If you buy anything over 60, he'll be throwing behind runners and will never understand why.
 
But I digress, on a more personal note, I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the 60 plasma (Samsung), $799 at BestBuy and I can pick it up before the weekend. I don't need the Smart feature. We sit between 8-12 feet from the TV, does that size seem to fit that viewing distance?
 

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Sam's Club, despite its "world leader" logistics rep, lost my tv in shipment,
 

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If you're a picture purist I'd avoid Vizio's M-series; it pushes red and calibration won't fix it.
 

 
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If you're a picture purist I'd avoid Vizio's M-series; it pushes red and calibration won't fix it.
 

 
(pre-/post-calibration)
 
 
Thanks, since I unbelievably still don't have the tv I ordered, any suggestions on a 70-75" tv under say $2,700?
 

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I'm considering a 60 inch Samsung PNF8500, which some in the thread have discussed.  A couple of questions --
 
1) Have those who have the TV experienced the buzzing I've readso much about?  I know some say it is in all plasmas, but seems to be particularly noteworthy in this model.  Even moreso the 60 inch version.  For those who have experienced it, how noticeable is it and does it diminish over time?  Not sure if I'm just in an AVS forum rabbithole where the more I research a TV the more I get dissuaded.
2) For the TV experts, is there any issue with buying a model released in early 2013, especially considering the price hasn't really gone down?  The price has remained the same due to plasmas coming to an end and from everything I've seen, this model rates very highly compared to newer models in the same price range.  I guess I don't want to get this TV and a couple of months later something newer and cheaper blows this out of the water.  Though it seems like OLED is the next big thing and it will be a while before the price and content make that viable?
 

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I have that same model.  I noticed the buzzing much more when I first got it.  I can still hear it sometimes when I'm sitting in a certain spot and something very quiet is on, but it's not that bad and less annoying than the fan on my DLP was.  I found that "adjusting" the back panel a bit seemed to help, since it sounded like a component was buzzing against the back plate, and when I pressed another spot in lightly that spot moved away and it quieted quite a bit.  So shifting it around a bit may help, but it's definitely a thing.
 
Given that plasmas are going away without a real clear replacement, I'd say that's why the prices are staying still.  I can't imagine wanting anything else, it has been so good to date.
 

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I'm considering a 60 inch Samsung PNF8500, which some in the thread have discussed.  A couple of questions --
 
1) Have those who have the TV experienced the buzzing I've readso much about?  I know some say it is in all plasmas, but seems to be particularly noteworthy in this model.  Even moreso the 60 inch version.  For those who have experienced it, how noticeable is it and does it diminish over time?  Not sure if I'm just in an AVS forum rabbithole where the more I research a TV the more I get dissuaded.
2) For the TV experts, is there any issue with buying a model released in early 2013, especially considering the price hasn't really gone down?  The price has remained the same due to plasmas coming to an end and from everything I've seen, this model rates very highly compared to newer models in the same price range.  I guess I don't want to get this TV and a couple of months later something newer and cheaper blows this out of the water.  Though it seems like OLED is the next big thing and it will be a while before the price and content make that viable?
 
Wait a bit longer and the decision will be made for you.. all the decent plasma sets will be gone. There is no perfect TV, every model has some issues the purists at AVS can harp upon. The reality with plasmas is that Panasonics had the least buzz (I have a 50 and a 42 and they are both dead silent), Samsungs all have some buzz, it tends to be very directional and many have, as mentioned, reduced this significantly by adjusting the 'tension' of the back cover. LGs also have some buzz, but it doesn't get mentioned as much since everyone serious about plasmas have ignored their sets...
 

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The Vizio arrived, and all is well. I got $100 credit for the hassle factor.
 

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Thanks for the input on the 8500.  Now wondering if I should go for a UHD LED instead.  Went to Best Buy and some of the stuff looked pretty amazing.  I realized BB is trying to move these TVs and setting them to have the greatest "wow" factor.  Also, they are playing native 4K content which really isn't available and probably won't be for another year or two.  What are people's thoughts on 4K?  CNET seems to say it is meaningless but wanted to see what you think.
 
EDIT: I'd probably get 60 inch UHD.  Samsung UN60HU8550.  Figured I'd add that since my understanding is UHD doesn't really start to make a difference until you get around 70-80 inches.  Still curious on people's thoughts/experience.
 

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Unless you are getting a TV 80" or larger, you'll never notice a difference between a good 1080p set and UHD, even with UHD content. You can see it in the store if you're standing like 2-3 feet away from the TV, but at the viewing distance in your living room, 1080p is basically the highest resolution your eyes can resolve unless the screen is HUGE (i.e. 80"+).
 
This page has a pretty neat calculator to show you when the resolutions make a difference as well as a table with typical TV sizes and resolutions and viewing distances required to resolve the difference.
 

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Thanks for the advice. I'm going with the F8500. I will scroll through this thread and the novel over at AVS, but any recommendations in terms of setting it up?  I plan on getting one of those calibration discs, but I understand I should set it up until I have 250 hours on the TV?  Would calibrating it initially and then again at that 250 hour mark cause issues?  Or is the idea to wait until the TV is "broken in" before calibrating?
 

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Do it twice, won't hurt anything if you keep it in normal ranges.  Set a reminder for two months in and do it again, it won't change very much.
 

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I bought the DIsney Wow disc.  It was inexpensive and I heard some good word of mouth.  I found it has enough tests to get as far as my expertise will take me.
 

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Got the 8500 and mine definitely has the buzzing when sitting directly in front.  I've done a lot more research since experiencing the issue and doesn't seem to go away (rather, people get used to it).  Also, there may be fixes for some of the other types of "normal" plasma buzzing, but not this one.  Looks like its most prevalent in the 60" models.  It's a beautiful picture but I really can't justify spending that much money on something with a defect. Probably going to exchange it for a Samsung LCD model (thinking the 7150).
 

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I have the buzzing too, but it really only happens in a very specific position. I have to be positioned just so and I'll hear it (but it doesn't bother me). Otherwise neither me nor anyone else hears it. And the picture is definitely worth it, in my opinion. This TV is pretty fantastic.
 

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The second is also 50" vs. a 60" in the first, unless you messed up the link or my browser did. It also said free delivery on the first, so not sure why you need help. 
 
Though, 2002, huh? Guessing the one that crapped out is one of those big old fashioned rear projection behemoths? God, getting rid of my 2005 55" Toshiba was liberating. Thing worked fine and all, but not needing three guys and a dolly to move a TV was worth upgrading. 
 
It's changed even more, too.  I got a 42-inch LCD in 2006 and the thing is a dense brick.  It's liftable, but it's really a 2-person job.  Last year I swapped it out for 2013 40-inch, and the comparison is basically this:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1CYg0vIygE&t=110
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
The second is also 50" vs. a 60" in the first, unless you messed up the link or my browser did. It also said free delivery on the first, so not sure why you need help. 
 
Though, 2002, huh? Guessing the one that crapped out is one of those big old fashioned rear projection behemoths? God, getting rid of my 2005 55" Toshiba was liberating. Thing worked fine and all, but not needing three guys and a dolly to move a TV was worth upgrading. 
 
 
yeah, as much as my male brain would like the 60 the 50 is really more appropriate for me.
 
And yep, the old one is this beast so the problem is more getting that out than the new one in and then disposing of it. The problem with delivery (that would take the old one away) is that the first delivery is no earlier than Monday. And I have lots of sports to watch and games to play this weekend...
 

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perfect, exactly what I wanted to hear. Because I was about 99% sure it wasn't worth it but...
 
I'm going to have to measure when I get home. With the lack of a big frame the 55" once might fit as well as the old 50" did. And everyone wants 5 more inches...
 

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Hello all, I'm not a huge tech-savvy individual but I recognize and respect the knowledge of the posters in this forum, so I wanted throw this out there before I committed a dumb financial decision on a television that doesn't coincide with my viewing habits.
 
Basically, I'm in the market for a 60-inch TV.  After reading this thread, I am leaning towards the Samsung 8500 plasma but I am one of those folks who is ignorant to the whole issue of 'burn-in.'  Basically, this TV is going to be situated in the main living room of the house (i.e. its going to be the most viewed television I own).  After a couple of high-level Google searches, I've found that permanent image retention can still occur - and I found this piece from the Samsung website particularly disturbing:
 
 
 
If you have a plasma TV, we recommend that you limit your viewing of stationary graphics and images, such as the dark side-bars on non-expanded standard format television programs, stock market reports, video game displays, station logos, web sites, and computer graphics and patterns to no more than 5% of the total television viewing per week.
 
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/faq/FAQ00022612/22780/PN50B850Y1FXZA
 
Does that percentage seem light to anyone else?  Now obviously, as evidenced by my daily lurking on this website, I watch a ton of sports and I'm liable to watch 8 hours of football on Sunday, which just so happens to have those pesky score tickers down at the bottom of the screen. 
 
Also, some of the comments up-thread around calibration seem to go way over my head.  Is it possible to not be tech-savvy enough to handle a TV of this caliber?
 
To sum it up, I'm really struggling on the LED vs. Plasma comparison.  The opinion is pretty unanimous that the Plasma sets offer superior picture quality, but it also seems like the more high-maintenance option (i.e. breaking it in/being vigilant about static images, etc.), is that a fair assessment? 
 
To the people up-thread that own this model or any other plasma, is it your primary television?  Does a higher quantity of content consumed via the set lead to a higher likelihood of potential burn-in on the unit?
 
Any advice folks might be willing to offer would be greatly appreciated!
   
 

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Hello all, I'm not a huge tech-savvy individual but I recognize and respect the knowledge of the posters in this forum, so I wanted throw this out there before I committed a dumb financial decision on a television that doesn't coincide with my viewing habits.
 
Basically, I'm in the market for a 60-inch TV.  After reading this thread, I am leaning towards the Samsung 8500 plasma but I am one of those folks who is ignorant to the whole issue of 'burn-in.'  Basically, this TV is going to be situated in the main living room of the house (i.e. its going to be the most viewed television I own).  After a couple of high-level Google searches, I've found that permanent image retention can still occur - and I found this piece from the Samsung website particularly disturbing:
 
 
 

 
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/faq/FAQ00022612/22780/PN50B850Y1FXZA
 
Does that percentage seem light to anyone else?  Now obviously, as evidenced by my daily lurking on this website, I watch a ton of sports and I'm liable to watch 8 hours of football on Sunday, which just so happens to have those pesky score tickers down at the bottom of the screen. 
 
Also, some of the comments up-thread around calibration seem to go way over my head.  Is it possible to not be tech-savvy enough to handle a TV of this caliber?
 
To sum it up, I'm really struggling on the LED vs. Plasma comparison.  The opinion is pretty unanimous that the Plasma sets offer superior picture quality, but it also seems like the more high-maintenance option (i.e. breaking it in/being vigilant about static images, etc.), is that a fair assessment? 
 
To the people up-thread that own this model or any other plasma, is it your primary television?  Does a higher quantity of content consumed via the set have a negative impact on the overall life of the unit?
 
Any advice folks might be willing to offer would be greatly appreciated!
   
 
In my experience, you can basically ignore everything about static images and plasmas unless you're prone to falling asleep at the menu of a computer game or something like that.  Watching football all day is no problem (hell,it's cutting to/from commercials every few minutes and changing up the screen).
 

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I have a Samsung plasma and a lot of my viewing is geared toward movies, many of which have aspect ratios greater than 16:9, meaning I get black bars for two hours at a time. Never once had a problem with burn-in.
 

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Burn-in is a non-issue and has been for many years.  The breaking in amounts to keeping contrast and brightness down below the silly extremes most sets arrive with as their settings for the first 100 or so hours of use, and if you intend to try and tweak calibration, best to wait until that period is over...hardly an issue. ANY set, plasma or LCD/LED can be greatly improved from the way they arrive from the factory.
 
Tweaking can be as simple as using a cheap calibration dvd and the obvious available settings, through getting into the hidden factory settings and using tweaks gleaned from professional calibrators that represent averages of similar sets, all the way to paying a pro calibrator several hundred dollars to use thousands of dollars in pro equipment to calibrate... it all depends on how obsessive you care to be....but this is not related to the type of set.
 
If you have access to an 8500, if you get one without a serious buzzing issue and if you care about the quality and smooth natural fast motion needed for sports, you will not regret the choice.
 

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Annoyed, my 8500 plasma started acting flaky a couple of weeks ago.  The HDMI would sometimes come up "no signal", I figured it was just some new components coming up too fast and the handshake messing up.  It usually cleared up pretty fast.
 
Last week I had a situation where it was "no signal" for a longer period on the HDMI input from my receiver.  I thought the cable may have gone bad or something.  So I tried a different cable, hooking directly from different components, to different HDMI inputs.  All "no signal".  So I tried my laptop and randomly it came up, then I hooked the cable back to my receiver and it worked fine.  Figured it may have been stuck in some off state.
 
Last night, same thing, "no signal" on all inputs/cables/sources.  So I tried the laptop thing again last night and this morning, no dice.  Called up and my warranty ran out 10/31 (of course).  Screen still works fine, network and smart apps (which I haven't otherwise used) work fine, just the inputs.  Some poking around reveals that other Samsungs have had HDMI ports go bad and it's a $60 or so part.  Could be worse.
 
They say they (Samsung service) may come on Thursday but they'll call to confirm.  Figured they're the most likely to have the part on hand and know if there is some common root cause.  Glad my little screen is easily moveable, hooked it into the same power/HDMI cable and it came right up.  So at least I can catch the game.
 

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I have a pretty basic Samsung 40" that's a few years old, working perfectly.  We cut the cord and are constantly flipping between sources (OTA, AppleTV on HDMI1, sometimes a computer on HDMI2).  Is there a way to map free buttons on the remote, like the "color" buttons that don't really serve a purpose, to individual sources?  Pressing "source, toggle, toggle, ok" gets annoying after a while.  Happy to consider a universal remote if that's how it's done. 
 
The best solution would be adding those HDMI source inputs to my favorite channels list, but I'm guessing that's not doable. 
 

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I have a pretty basic Samsung 40" that's a few years old, working perfectly.  We cut the cord and are constantly flipping between sources (OTA, AppleTV on HDMI1, sometimes a computer on HDMI2).  Is there a way to map free buttons on the remote, like the "color" buttons that don't really serve a purpose, to individual sources?  Pressing "source, toggle, toggle, ok" gets annoying after a while.  Happy to consider a universal remote if that's how it's done. 
 
The best solution would be adding those HDMI source inputs to my favorite channels list, but I'm guessing that's not doable. 
 
Look into a Harmony remote. Seems to be what you need.
 

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I have a pretty basic Samsung 40" that's a few years old, working perfectly.  We cut the cord and are constantly flipping between sources (OTA, AppleTV on HDMI1, sometimes a computer on HDMI2).  Is there a way to map free buttons on the remote, like the "color" buttons that don't really serve a purpose, to individual sources?  Pressing "source, toggle, toggle, ok" gets annoying after a while.  Happy to consider a universal remote if that's how it's done. 
 
The best solution would be adding those HDMI source inputs to my favorite channels list, but I'm guessing that's not doable. 
 
Doesn't your remote control have an HDMI button that toggles between sources? My 32'' Samsung does and that's why I do it. And I know the method you re describing, because it's the other way that can be done.
 
Also, a couple of weeks ago, I found out that there are some Samsung remote controls on sale on Amazon and most of them can operate multiple set models. So may be that's the solution if you don't have that HDMI button.
 

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Someone elsewhere brought this to my attention and I posted this in the deals thread too:
 
http://www.bestbuy.c...7&skuId=8490071
 
the 51" is only $1000 and the 60" is only $1500.
 
If you are a plasma devotee and not thrilled that your high-end choice is now going to basically be only early 4K TVs, the time to strike is now - this is basically the ultimate expression of plasma technology and will be gone soon.
 

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Yup, it's pretty much now or never if you want a plasma screen.  Was looking at that F8500 but Best Buy won't deliver to me, for some reason.  Gets glowing reviews though and seems to be a no-brainer if you have the cash and can get your hands on it.
 
I just snagged this from Amazon: Samsung PN64H5000 for $1300.  Not as good a picture as the F8500 and it doesn't have any Smart TV business going on (not that I have any need for that), but it has pretty great reviews and seems to be considered the best quality-price ratio of any TV right now.  Only major drawback is that it uses a pentile subpixel layout like you see in smartphones.  It's cheaper and uses less energy than a non-pentile display but it can cause a honeycomb/screen-door effect at close viewing distances.  I sit about 12' from the screen in my living room so it's not a problem for me, but it could be a deal-breaker if you sit less than 8' away.
 

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Nick Kaufman said:
 
Doesn't your remote control have an HDMI button that toggles between sources? My 32'' Samsung does and that's why I do it. And I know the method you re describing, because it's the other way that can be done.
 
Also, a couple of weeks ago, I found out that there are some Samsung remote controls on sale on Amazon and most of them can operate multiple set models. So may be that's the solution if you don't have that HDMI button.
 
Thanks. I have a feeling a third party remote is the way to go.  This is my remote, and unless I'm missing it there's no dedicated HDMI button. 
 

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I have a Harmony One.  Their database doesn't seem to be the most up to date for some of the less common newer devices, but the "activities" thing makes it pretty easy to program and use.  You can find them new in box on eBay for under $100, or there are other models (Harmony 600 seems common in the $50-60 range).
 

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This is my remote control. And it's compatible with these models. LN32C530F1F, LN32C540F2D, LN37C530F1F, LN40C530F1F, LN40C540F2F, LN46C530F1F, LN52C530F1F, PN50C540G3F, PN58C500G2F, PN63C540G3F, UN19C4000PD, UN22C4000PD, UN26C4000PD, UN32C4000PD.
 
Take a look at this site too, perhaps, there's a compatible remote control with an HDMI button.
 
http://www.samsungparts.com/Default.aspx
 
If you can find a samsung remote control to work, it will probably save you a pretty penny IMO.