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The situation is pretty fucked up though. The media member faked going on two dates to get the recording. Thats some low shit
 

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Yeah, this is a mess. Even ESPN's article refers to it as an "interview" which is disingenuous at best. So, he was hoodwinked into going on what he thought were two dates with a woman - via a dating app. He was secretly recorded without his permission and the date asked him questions related to his job, which he answered, just to see if she could get dirt on him, which she did. That's really is fucking bottom of the barrel stuff.

The Commanders' hands were tied once this came out though. There's no way they could have kept him.
 

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This is not a defense of the Commanders exec, but for ESPN to run an article using information that they acknowledge was gained through a honey trap is a new low. I guess they rationalized it using the “not our reporter” defense, which is both true and irrelevant from an ethical standpoint.

Commanders had no choice but to fire the guy. The big question (for me, at least) is how does he use his new freedom?
 

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This is straight out of the Project Veritas playbook. Slimy. But my main question is how did they know to target this guy?

Edit: It was O’Keefe! Makes sense now.
 

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Commanders had no choice but to fire the guy. The big question (for me, at least) is how does he use his new freedom?
Suing the woman, and the O'Keefe Media Group who put her up to it, for invasion of privacy and a host of other torts. (IANAL, of course)

I dunno, a "VP of Content" in sports can probably get another job in a month or two after this blows over. He didn't say anything personally, express any opinion, that was ugly or biased in itself, just talked shit about some of the NFL's fanbase. His life isn't ruined, just terribly inconvenienced. But man, we're talking James O'Keefe, founder of Project Veritas, being the one behind the sting - a guy who has made a career in doing interviews of this type, starting with "blowing the whistle" on ACORN back in 2009. This incident is already on his wikipedia page. Is there really no politician he could've gone after, during election season? I guess lowlifes gonna lowlife.
 

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Suing the woman, and the O'Keefe Media Group who put her up to it, for invasion of privacy and a host of other torts. (IANAL, of course)

I dunno, a "VP of Content" in sports can probably get another job in a month or two after this blows over. His life isn't ruined, just terribly inconvenienced. But man, we're talking James O'Keefe, founder of Project Veritas, being the one behind the sting - a guy who has made a career in doing interviews of this type, starting with "blowing the whistle" on ACORN back in 2009. This incident is already on his wikipedia page. Is there really no politician he could've gone after, during election season? I guess lowlifes gonna lowlife.
As if online dating isn’t hard enough. Now people have to worry about this stuff on top of all the other concerns.
 

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As if online dating isn’t hard enough. Now people have to worry about this stuff on top of all the other concerns.
I mean, there's some discretion expected here too, from media professionals. I'm not sure I'd talk shit about my employer on a second date. If it's a second date, I'm probably not really trying to impress her / make a big first impression at this point, what's the big rush? Maybe some whining about office politics and That Nosy Jerk in Accounting who annoys me. But I think most people in a position to say something damaging about a culturally important company are also wise enough not to just yak about it to anyone.

I was at a wedding after-party once in Rhode Island where my friend the groom was the cousin of the founder of Lyft and that founder was there drinking with us, and he said a bunch of shit about Uber and Travis Kalanick and local city regulations and such. If I'd recorded it and sent it to someone it probably would have made some waves and been embarrassing, even though he didn't say anything untrue, ugly, private, or (probably) all that damaging. But it was in the context of what was a fairly private moment, even though he didn't know me and the rest of the friends at all. Minus the drinks or the close personal relationships, he probably falls back on his media training and offers only banalities when the social conversation turns to talking shop. Point is, even people in bigger chairs than this VP at the Commanders are susceptible to letting their guard down. I'm not sure this says much about the dating environment at all. Human nature is unchanging.

Frankly I'm with Average Reds in that the second-biggest sin here is ESPN reporting on the damn thing. The guy actually choosing to voice his unvarnished private opinions to someone is well down the list, for me.
 

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I mean, there's some discretion expected here too, from media professionals. I'm not sure I'd talk shit about my employer on a second date. If it's a second date, I'm probably not really trying to impress her / make a big first impression at this point, what's the big rush? Maybe some whining about office politics and That Nosy Jerk in Accounting who annoys me. But I think most people in a position to say something damaging about a culturally important company are also wise enough not to just yak about it to anyone.

I was at a wedding after-party once in Rhode Island where my friend the groom was the cousin of the founder of Lyft and that founder was there drinking with us, and he said a bunch of shit about Uber and Travis Kalanick and local city regulations and such. If I'd recorded it and sent it to someone it probably would have made some waves and been embarrassing, even though he didn't say anything untrue, ugly, private, or (probably) all that damaging. But it was in the context of what was a fairly private moment, even though he didn't know me and the rest of the friends at all. Minus the drinks or the close personal relationships, he probably falls back on his media training and offers only banalities when the social conversation turns to talking shop. Point is, even people in bigger chairs than this VP at the Commanders are susceptible to letting their guard down. I'm not sure this says much about the dating environment at all. Human nature is unchanging.

Frankly I'm with Average Reds in that the second-biggest sin here is ESPN reporting on the damn thing. The guy actually choosing to voice his unvarnished private opinions to someone is well down the list, for me.
You never get the full context with these videos. Someone at my client had the same thing happen to him via Project Veritas. He wasn’t a high up staff member but lasted about 3 months before leaving due to the embarrassment. Every single one of us has made comments that, taken out of context, would look really bad. It’s just a crappy way to lose a job. He’ll rebound and be fine but it’s definitely a learning experience for him for sure.

As for ESPN, they did exactly what I would expect a shitty network to do. They want clicks. They got them.
 

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For those that missed it (and I completely missed following this at all in the offseason) and were wondering how the hell was Rashee Rice playing football last night, Florio mouthpieced the explanation:

https://www.nbcsports.com/watch/nfl/snf/kansas-city-chiefs-rashee-rice-avoids-commissioners-exempt-list

To summarize, while typically it takes facing even just 1 felony charge to get exempted (and Rice is facing 8 such charges), because the charges don't relate to domestic violence, the league is allowing him to play until there is a "material change" in the case e.g. a guilty plea. He's plead not guilty, and will likely not face a trial until late in the season. I expect he'll hope to stretch it past the playoffs, then face consequences next year.
 

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Crazy good TV ratings.
View: https://twitter.com/AP/status/1833943973108363746

NFL averaged 21 million viewers per game for opening week, its highest on record
The league and Nielsen said Wednesday morning that the per-game average on TV and digital platforms was a 12% increase over last year. Nielsen began electronic measurement of viewing in 1988.
All told, 123 million people saw at least part of one game, its highest total for an opening week since 2019.
 

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They better have improved ratings YOY given the national Friday night game with a great matchup being added.
 
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They better have improved ratings YOY given the national Friday night game with a great matchup being added.
Friday nights are typically poor TV ratings nights, which is why series pretty much never run on them. It was also on Peacock, which is obviously subscriber only outside of local area markets. The game only averaged 14M viewers, so so it actually brought down the average.
 

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Friday nights are typically poor TV ratings nights, which is why series pretty much never run on them. It was also on Peacock, which is obviously subscriber only outside of local area markets. The game only averaged 14M viewers, so so it actually brought down the average.
I mentioned this in a previous thread, but I am not a Peacock subscriber but each peacock only game has been available to view on NBCSports.com so far.

There's also a difference between a generic Friday night and tossing raw meat to NFL-starved fans to launch the season.
 

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Wonder what Bryce’s trade value is right now. He has been consistently awful since basically Day 1. Just feels like another high profile QB bust.
What's it mean that his advanced metrics last season are better than Caleb Williams this season?

But, I mean, is their season slipping away? If so they didn't really have realistic goals.
 

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What's it mean that his advanced metrics last season are better than Caleb Williams this season?

But, I mean, is their season slipping away? If so they didn't really have realistic goals.
Feels premature. You drafted a guy #1. Give him this season. If no improvement, you know what you need to do in the draft.
 

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What's it mean that his advanced metrics last season are better than Caleb Williams this season?

But, I mean, is their season slipping away? If so they didn't really have realistic goals.
David Tepper is their owner so I think you have bingo.
 

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Feels premature. You drafted a guy #1. Give him this season. If no improvement, you know what you need to do in the draft.
Idk man, best shot for this kid is to sit for a while and maybe even try to go somewhere else
 

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Apropos of nothing, but assuming he keeps his job for another week Dalton will have faced the Bengals with all four of his other teams - it's especially weird since they're all NFC teams. As for Young, I'm obviously just box score watching but this is Ryan Lindley-bad - you could at least squint and call JaMarcus Russell's first full year slightly below average. How much longer can you let this go?
 
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I'm unconvinced that the Red Rocket is going to be a meaningful improvement over Young. Given the rushers they face the next three weeks, the chances that Young is back in for an injured Dalton within the month are pretty high.

That said, in his one start last year, Dalton went 34-58 for 361 yards, 2 TD and 0 INT in a loss against Seattle.
 

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I'm unconvinced that the Red Rocket is going to be a meaningful improvement over Young. Given the rushers they face the next three weeks, the chances that Young is back in for an injured Dalton within the month are pretty high.
Maybe this is the actual reason--give Bryce a break and let Andy get beat up.
 

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Maybe this is the actual reason--give Bryce a break and let Andy get beat up.
I think it also might be a case of "let's see what this offense we just poured resources into looks like", if Dalton flops you can feel good about saying it's a line/playcaller issue, if he turns you into a real NFL offense it's Bryce.
 

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Bryce 2-16 as a starter and he's never taken a snap leading in a game, as both the wins were last second FGs.

His confidence is shot and he looks truly bad. He has to sit down, it's just merciful at this point.
 

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Jacoby obviously takes his designation as a "placeholder" very seriously.

And Gardner MInshew continues his Zelig-like run, once again posing the musical question "how did he get there?"
So - Minchew has a really high completion percentage but still average outcomes of passes, so he's completing very conservative throws? Or is that already considered for CPOE? If it's already considered, is he really bad on rushes/penalties?
 
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I'm unconvinced that the Red Rocket is going to be a meaningful improvement over Young. Given the rushers they face the next three weeks, the chances that Young is back in for an injured Dalton within the month are pretty high.

That said, in his one start last year, Dalton went 34-58 for 361 yards, 2 TD and 0 INT in a loss against Seattle.
the Carolina OL has actually been competent. Young barely saw any pressure yesterday. Still early obviously but their plan of spending lots of money to fix their line seems to be paying dividends even if they overpaid for their guys. Ekwonu looks better now that he’s not next to 3 turnstiles.

Carolina has some of the worst skill position talent in the NFL, worse than even New England. Their D is a disaster. Young is trying to do too much with too little.
 

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Oh, I know, it was just that JB jumped out--or rather, didn't jump out--at 0/0 on the graph. Didn't really need a picture to know that Young stinks, although it's a pretty impressive graphic in that regard.
Yeah, I’m not posting the graphic if he’s just Nix or Richardson-bad this year, notwithstanding those guys don’t already have a horrific year on their resume. This is the worst extended stretch of QB play we’ve seen in at least around a decade.
 

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I'll be honest, dude's dot is so far down the graph I didn't even see him. My bad.
All good - I was marveling at the impossibility myself. He certainly hasn't had the best surroundings (as expected to be the case for a guy whose team traded their WR1 and a bunch of draft capital for and first coach was a total bust), but at some point you have to make the slightest bit of chicken salad.
 
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Bryce 2-16 as a starter and he's never taken a snap leading in a game, as both the wins were last second FGs.

His confidence is shot and he looks truly bad. He has to sit down, it's just merciful at this point.
I actually watched his game vs the Chargers and felt genuinely bad for the kid. It did look like he'd given up. Which is not good given it's just season 2/ game #2 and he has a new coach, a supposed QB whisperer who is as upbeat as can be. Personally I think Canales is a fraud, but can't blame him for Young.

That said, before calling Young a bust, worth remembering what Darnold and Mayfield are doing. Though if that's the best hope for the Panthers, then good luck to them for the hope that Young will be ok years down the line for a different team.
 

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I actually watched his game vs the Chargers and felt genuinely bad for the kid. It did look like he'd given up. Which is not good given it's just season 2/ game #2 and he has a new coach, a supposed QB whisperer who is as upbeat as can be. Personally I think Canales is a fraud, but can't blame him for Young.

That said, before calling Young a bust, worth remembering what Darnold and Mayfield are doing. Though if that's the best hope for the Panthers, then good luck to them for the hope that Young will be ok years down the line for a different team.
I know those guys have thrived (to the extent you can call it that) since leaving Carolina, but neither were as bad with the Panthers (Darnold's 2022 was pretty decent in a limited sample size) and at least had stretches of NFL-caliber play before that. Young has been breaking graphs-level bad. He's just too short and small to overcome any kind of disadvantage.
 

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I actually watched his game vs the Chargers and felt genuinely bad for the kid. It did look like he'd given up. Which is not good given it's just season 2/ game #2 and he has a new coach, a supposed QB whisperer who is as upbeat as can be. Personally I think Canales is a fraud, but can't blame him for Young.

That said, before calling Young a bust, worth remembering what Darnold and Mayfield are doing. Though if that's the best hope for the Panthers, then good luck to them for the hope that Young will be ok years down the line for a different team.
Baker broke the rookie td record his first season and went toe to toe against Mahomes in the playoffs a couple of years later. There were plenty of flashes with him.

Young has been overwhelmed from snap one. There is no flash. Young is an all time bust. He's literally too small and also too slow and his arm is too weak. At least Darnold has an arm.
 

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You're both probably right. Though both of those guys were also probably in better situations. I'm not making a pitch that Young will be good in a few years. Just open to the possibility that, in a different context and with more experience, the skills that got him drafted #1 might show out.

That said, yes: he's too small; his arm is surprisingly mediocre; and mentally it's disappointing that he seems to have given up on himself so quickly. Even when given time in the pocket yesterday, he still wasn't looking to throw downfield -- just dump off as quickly as possible.