NFL News and Notes 2024 Season

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I think timing matters. 4 weeks in, a bunch of teams can believe they are One WR Away from a championship, with no other way to acquire talent:
Jets
Chiefs
Packers
Ravens

And some other delusional teams:
Saints
Falcons
Browns
Cowboys
Commanders
Rams
I cant imagine the Ravens or Packers think they’re “one WR away”

the Packers have a good group of WR and the Ravens issues aren’t really related to their passing game which has been very good

Jets really make the most sense
 

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I cant imagine the Ravens or Packers think they’re “one WR away”

the Packers have a good group of WR and the Ravens issues aren’t really related to their passing game which has been very good

Jets really make the most sense
Raiders will never trade with KC.
Packers have already been in the Adams business and didn't like it.
I doubt the Ravens can fit Adams under the cap without cutting guys they need.

If Overthecap is correct, Adams fits in the Jets' remaining cap room. It seems like a no-brainer.
 

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Raiders will never trade with KC.
Packers have already been in the Adams business and didn't like it.
I doubt the Ravens can fit Adams under the cap without cutting guys they need.

If Overthecap is correct, Adams fits in the Jets' remaining cap room. It seems like a no-brainer.
Yeah, the Jets window is 2024, decent chance Douglas and Saleh are wiped out if they win 8-9 games and miss the playoffs.
 

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Jets make by far the most sense. Rodgers wants him, if you make the playoffs the owner will be happy, if you don't well you're probably not the guy who is missing the 2nd round pick from the trade anyway
 

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Jets make by far the most sense. Rodgers wants him, if you make the playoffs the owner will be happy, if you don't well you're probably not the guy who is missing the 2nd round pick from the trade anyway
Why wouldn't Jerry Jones get Dallas involved here?
 

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Why wouldn't Jerry Jones get Dallas involved here?
He might, but also he spent all summer whining about not being able to afford a real RB, and trying to pinch pennies on Lamb and Dak. I can't see him spending the money it would take.
 

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He might, but also he spent all summer whining about not being able to afford a real RB, and trying to pinch pennies on Lamb and Dak. I can't see him spending the money it would take.
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I think you are wildly overestimating what Adams will cost. I think the cost is going to be a 2nd, maybe a 3rd and some swaps.

Edit- basically I'd look at something in the Diggs/Allen trade comp area.
Yeah, it's probably going to be a 2/4 or something at best. A first round pick for a WR hasn't happened since Tyreek Hill, AJ Brown, Marquise Brown and the aforementioned Adams. It probably won't happen again, unless Jefferson became available for some strange reason. When the Dolphins traded for Hill, the best they offered was #29. Adams got #22/53 and AJ was #18/101. Marquise was #23 and the Cardinals got #100 with him.

Trading Adams, per Over the Cap, will cost the Raiders $11.7M in 2024 and $15.7M in 2025. The Jets could offer 2/4 and pick up the salary. That's basically an all-in move for this year. Adams is already 32 and is showing signs of slowing down. Almost all WRs go over the cliff after 30.
 

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Yeah, it's probably going to be a 2/4 or something at best. A first round pick for a WR hasn't happened since Tyreek Hill, AJ Brown, Marquise Brown and the aforementioned Adams. It probably won't happen again, unless Jefferson became available for some strange reason. When the Dolphins traded for Hill, the best they offered was #29. Adams got #22/53 and AJ was #18/101. Marquise was #23 and the Cardinals got #100 with him.

Trading Adams, per Over the Cap, will cost the Raiders $11.7M in 2024 and $15.7M in 2025. The Jets could offer 2/4 and pick up the salary. That's basically an all-in move for this year. Adams is already 32 and is showing signs of slowing down. Almost all WRs go over the cliff after 30.
This is all very logical and I think right but the Jets are in a pretty desperate GFIN situation with Rodgers. I could definitely see them coughing up a R1 pick. It would not be prudent, but it could happen.

By the way do Jets fans regret not picking Bowers? OL seemed like the smart move but the offense also seems a weapon or two short.
 

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This is all very logical and I think right but the Jets are in a pretty desperate GFIN situation with Rodgers. I could definitely see them coughing up a R1 pick. It would not be prudent, but it could happen.

By the way do Jets fans regret not picking Bowers? OL seemed like the smart move but the offense also seems a weapon or two short.
The offense isn't a weapon short. The Jets have plenty of talent on offense, including two *excellent* RBs who can run and catch passes.

The offense has an old man and petulant child at QB coming off an achilles tear. He's been the problem.
 

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The offense isn't a weapon short. The Jets have plenty of talent on offense, including two *excellent* RBs who can run and catch passes.

The offense has an old man and petulant child at QB coming off an achilles tear. He's been the problem.
He did ok against our supposedly pretty good defense.

But Rodgers is 40 years old. Here are his last three seasons:

age 38: 64.6%, 3,695 yds, 6.8 y/a, 26 td, 12 int, 91.1 rating
age 39: tore his achilles and missed all but the first like two plays of the season
age 40: 64.1%, 849 yds, 6.6 y/a, 5 td, 1 int, 92.9 rating

Contrast to Tom Brady's age 38, 39, and 40 seasons:

age 38: 64.4%, 4,770 yds, 7.6 y/a, 36 td, 7 int, 102.2 rating, 2nd in MVP, went to the AFCCG
age 39: 67.4%, 3,554 yds, 8.2 y/a, 28 td, 2 int, 112.2 rating, 2nd in MVP, won the Super Bowl (4 game suspension)
age 40: 66.3%, 4,577 yds, 7.9 y/a, 32 td, 8 int, 102.8 rating, 1st in MVP, went to the Super Bowl
 

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The offense isn't a weapon short. The Jets have plenty of talent on offense, including two *excellent* RBs who can run and catch passes.
Breece and Wilson have been bad in a very concerning way. Wilson specifically looked great in camp but has been terrible so far, fumble, running routes oob, not going to the hole in the zone, they are not on the same page at all. The talent is there so, I'm being patient. Mike Williams is looking better and better. Lazard looks like a new man but two bad penalties (the gun thing was dumb, though). Rodgers has made great throws in all the games, ridiculous throws. He did run into two sacks last week. It's still a wait-and-see.

The coach gets worse every game. At least Ulbrich, the DC, is trying stuff. Saleh is getting salty with the press and saying the dumbest shit. Hackett is doing what the QB wants, and it has been mediocre. A lot more TDs than last year but not more yards per play.
 

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The Commanders would be my dark horse to acquire Davonte. Their division is wide open; they have money/cap space; and they have need at WR. Granted where they really need help is on defense, but Adams would be a big add.
 

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The Chiefs can’t afford Adams.

But, channeling my inner DotB, the Pats should be calling on Davante. They have the money and have been after a #1 all offseason. Sell him on being Maye’s security blanket, and whatever the 2-3 year plan is for building the roster back up. Worst case, they drive up the price a bit for the inevitable Steelers trade.
 

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The Chiefs can’t afford Adams.

But, channeling my inner DotB, the Pats should be calling on Davante. They have the money and have been after a #1 all offseason. Sell him on being Maye’s security blanket, and whatever the 2-3 year plan is for building the roster back up. Worst case, they drive up the price a bit for the inevitable Steelers trade.
Hard pass unless it’s a 5th rounder. Last thing we need is a disgruntled 32 year old receiver. If this was the 2007 Pats I’d be all for it.
 

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The Chiefs can’t afford Adams.

But, channeling my inner DotB, the Pats should be calling on Davante. They have the money and have been after a #1 all offseason. Sell him on being Maye’s security blanket, and whatever the 2-3 year plan is for building the roster back up. Worst case, they drive up the price a bit for the inevitable Steelers trade.
This is crazy. The Pats have absolutely no use for an expensive, 32 year old WR who is easily disgruntled. It would be a terrible move.

2-3 year plan? WRs don't last to age 35. They barely last to 30.
 

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This is crazy. The Pats have absolutely no use for an expensive, 32 year old WR who is easily disgruntled. It would be a terrible move.

2-3 year plan? WRs don't last to age 35. They barely last to 30.
Would have been a perfect move for the Pats to consider…in 2019
 

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The Commanders would be my dark horse to acquire Davonte. Their division is wide open; they have money/cap space; and they have need at WR. Granted where they really need help is on defense, but Adams would be a big add.
And Daniels throws a sweet deep ball. That would be a really fun combo to watch for football fans outside of the NFC East.
 

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And Daniels throws a sweet deep ball. That would be a really fun combo to watch for football fans outside of the NFC East.
That potential duo scares me. The only constraint is that Davante will need a new number.
 

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I think the Steelers are a bit smoke and mirrors and it appears they are going to up the degree of difficulty by starting Russell Wilson.

I don't think this ends well. Bad offensive line and a guy who holds on to the ball for an eternity and takes a million sacks seems like a poor match. Fields holds on to the ball too long as well but at least he can make more plays with his legs. They are also 4-2 and while the offense is putrid, what is the upside that Wilson brings?

View: https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1846219869374546355
 

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I think the Steelers are a bit smoke and mirrors and it appears they are going to up the degree of difficulty by starting Russell Wilson.

I don't think this ends well. Bad offensive line and a guy who holds on to the ball for an eternity and takes a million sacks seems like a poor match. Fields holds on to the ball too long as well but at least he can make more plays with his legs. They are also 4-2 and while the offense is putrid, what is the upside that Wilson brings?

View: https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1846219869374546355
Wilson might be better for them long term if they are seeing something in practice. Fields sucks anyway. However, they should play Fields against the Jets. Jets can’t stop the run, Fields would add to that problem. Jets saw Wilson last year and handled him. We are not the same team on D but Arthur Smith is not Sean Payton either.

Prediction, Jets find a way to lose a game they should win.
 

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I think the Steelers are a bit smoke and mirrors and it appears they are going to up the degree of difficulty by starting Russell Wilson.

I don't think this ends well. Bad offensive line and a guy who holds on to the ball for an eternity and takes a million sacks seems like a poor match. Fields holds on to the ball too long as well but at least he can make more plays with his legs. They are also 4-2 and while the offense is putrid, what is the upside that Wilson brings?

View: https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1846219869374546355
Fields has been missing some pocket passes that Russ would make. But there is definitely a tradeoff here which means the non-QB running game has to really start picking it up. Harris is hopefully busting out but I've seen that before as well.

I probably would have waited another week to do this against an inferior Giants defense.
 

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They took a relatively cheap punt on Fields and so far he has turned out to be largely as previously advertised: A great runner who will make some plays but has a low overall upside due to his inability to consistently execute and hurt opponents from inside the pocket.

I'm not a big Russ fan but I can see how people within the Steelers organization and locker room might talk themselves into Wilson giving them a higher upside - maybe the fit in Denver was just really bad, maybe he can get back to his play of 2-3 years ago, etc. They've been squandering a great defense by marrying it to pathetic offenses for years so I can see why you'd want to take any shot to possibly change that dynamic. It probably won't work out but you never know until you try and the Fields experiment doesn't seem to be going anywhere particularly exciting.
 

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Going to Russ is a wild move. I am a bit surprised.

With Russ, you lose the entire middle of the field and the rushing talent. I am not quite sure what they gain? More sacks?
 

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Going to Russ is a wild move. I am a bit surprised.

With Russ, you lose the entire middle of the field and the rushing talent. I am not quite sure what they gain? More sacks?
I don't get it. I know Fields has been meh at best, but against a team with a solid D, his ability to run could be a difference-maker.
 

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Check out the WR rooms in Cleveland and Las Vegas now. Woof.

CLE: Elijah Moore, Cedric Tillman, Jamari Thrash, David Bell
LV: Tre Tucker, DJ Turner, Tyreik McAllister

I'll take: Douglas, Bourne, Boutte, Polk over that.
 

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I think the Steelers are a bit smoke and mirrors and it appears they are going to up the degree of difficulty by starting Russell Wilson.

I don't think this ends well. Bad offensive line and a guy who holds on to the ball for an eternity and takes a million sacks seems like a poor match. Fields holds on to the ball too long as well but at least he can make more plays with his legs. They are also 4-2 and while the offense is putrid, what is the upside that Wilson brings?
I give them credit for acknowledging they are a smoke and mirrors team. The simpler thing would be to roll with Fields because they are 4-2 even though he has been bad.

I wouldn't have huge confidence in Wilson either, but if he's playing better in practice (wouldn't be a surprise) and Fields continues to miss basic throws they should make the move now.

Better to get ahead of things and give a healthy Wilson a shot while they are in a decent position. Some teams would look at 4-2 and think they are better than they are, but Tomlin knows this current offense isn't good enough. Will a Wilson-run offense be any better? Not sure, but he should get a shot.
 

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Check out the WR rooms in Cleveland and Las Vegas now. Woof.

CLE: Elijah Moore, Cedric Tillman, Jamari Thrash, David Bell
LV: Tre Tucker, DJ Turner, Tyreik McAllister

I'll take: Douglas, Bourne, Boutte, Polk over that.
Cleveland also has Jeudy and Vegas has Jakobi Meyera, both of whom have extensive experience being the best WR for a bad QB.
Still, not great!
 

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Jamal Adams, who wasn't starting as he recovers from a hip injury, released by the Titans
 

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Wilson might be better for them long term if they are seeing something in practice. Fields sucks anyway. However, they should play Fields against the Jets. Jets can’t stop the run, Fields would add to that problem. Jets saw Wilson last year and handled him. We are not the same team on D but Arthur Smith is not Sean Payton either.

Prediction, Jets find a way to lose a game they should win.
That's my read, too. Wilson probably is better, or at least worth a shot. But I'd wait another week, particularly on the assumption that Wilson may not yet be fully healthy and, even if he is, his sack-taking ways are not a good match for the Jets DL which is significantly better than the Steelers' OL.
 

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That's my read, too. Wilson probably is better, or at least worth a shot. But I'd wait another week, particularly on the assumption that Wilson may not yet be fully healthy and, even if he is, his sack-taking ways are not a good match for the Jets DL which is significantly better than the Steelers' OL.
Our DL is a lot worse than it has been (No Reddick (to replace what we lost) or Jermaine Johnson) but we can probably get away with blitzing this team even with a banged up secondary. Will be interesting to see Broderick Jones vs Will McDonald.

I’m really worried about Rodgers’ health this game. I hope we can get a lead run the ball and get out of there with like 20 pass attempts but I doubt that happens.
 

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Wait.

Calvin Ridley has 9 catches for 141 yards and 1 TD this season? And he thought he was too good for a rebuilding team? Lol. We dodged one hell of a bullet there. He’s making $23 million this year. Incredible how much money gets thrown desperately at mediocre talent during FA in the NFL.
 

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Wait.

Calvin Ridley has 9 catches for 141 yards and 1 TD this season? And he thought he was too good for a rebuilding team? Lol. We dodged one hell of a bullet there. He’s making $23 million this year. Incredible how much money gets thrown desperately at mediocre talent during FA in the NFL.
They definitely dodged a bullet. He’s not a special talent.