NFL Week 9 game thread

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I thought that hit the crossbar at first glance. Not even close
 

Jed Zeppelin

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Taunting call didn’t decide the game but loomed quite large. If the Bears score a TD (not a given but for the sake of argument…) then Pitt need 7 instead of 3. I’m sure the league is quite pleased that it didn’t come directly down to that call, however.
 

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Bears could have been flagged for more neutral zone infractions than were actually called.
 

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Taunting call didn’t decide the game but loomed quite large. If the Bears score a TD (not a given but for the sake of argument…) then Pitt need 7 instead of 3. I’m sure the league is quite pleased that it didn’t come directly down to that call, however.
The shear numbers of penalties that weren't called on the steelers and were called on the bears despite the huge disparity in yards gained on offense by other side was ridiculous.. that taunting penalty was just the icing on the cake..it was not the most egregious or non egregious call of the night.. the disparity between the two teams was basically criminal.. and I'm not a fan of either team.
 

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That was strange, instead of backing up and getting in a stance, 99 started lining up standing after he got flagged
it'd be interesting to see if they get called for that on a game by game basis.. I wonder if they just do that regularly and don't get called for it?
 

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The shear numbers of penalties that weren't called on the steelers and were called on the bears despite the huge disparity in yards gained on offense by other side was ridiculous.. that taunting penalty was just the icing on the cake..it was not the most egregious or non egregious call of the night.. the disparity between the two teams was basically criminal.. and I'm not a fan of either team.
Taunting call led to 3 points and previous brutal call took away 4. Extremely impactful calls based on basically nothing, although I still think it was stupid not to just pound it with Montgomery in the latter situation.
 

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Is it just me, or could the Steelers have milked the clock more?
What you’re doing there is using logic. Ben spiked the ball with :40 left, wasting a down. Then after his John Elway impersonation (it wasn’t stated, but presumably they meant Elway at 80 years old), they had no choice but to kick. It’s maddening. The Bears offense shouldn’t have even seen the field again.
 

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Tomlin wins a game like this and folks will talk about how amazing he is as a coach...but they were up 20-6 in the 4th quarter and there is no reason this should have been a game. This is coming from a Steelers fan too.
 

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Yeah but that idiot is IN THE STADIUM.
looking from the side and so should see it hit just into the ez, ya know not bounce of the crossbar as mentioned

the bs taunting really changed the game

i dont blame nagy for trying the fg. Santos is a good kicker and probably slightly higher % hope than hail mary
 

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Taunting call led to 3 points and previous brutal call took away 4. Extremely impactful calls based on basically nothing, although I still think it was stupid not to just pound it with Montgomery in the latter situation.
I disagree with you on Lars on the taunting call. The fault lies with the existence of that rule, not with the call at that point in time. It’s a ridiculous rule, but it is a rule and that’s how they’ve been enforcing it.
 

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If Marsh had seen Corrente moving and gotten out of the way, Corrente would have kept going til he fell on his ass
He was already pulling out his flag as he was backing up into Marsh.. if the standard is you can't face the other team's sideline ever after a huge sack.. then what are we doing. Laddie has it right.. the sharps wanted Pitt to win and the refs IMO made it way too obvious.
 

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I disagree with you on Lars on the taunting call. The fault lies with the existence of that rule, not with the call at that point in time. It’s a ridiculous rule, but it is a rule and that’s how they’ve been enforcing it.
I'm almost certain if we had time that we could find 100 different scenarios where a linebacker has sacked the qb and done essentially the same thing.. perhaps the only difference being facing the other team's sideline?

edit: also.. to be clear.. I think that was one of many bad calls or no calls.. roughing the passer should have been called a couple times on Pittsburgh in huge situations and it wasn't.. but taunting was suddenly paramount in an almost identical situation a few drives later.
 

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That was a complete bag job, and I hate both of these franchises.
 

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I'm almost certain if we had time that we could find 100 different scenarios where a linebacker has sacked the qb and done essentially the same thing.. perhaps the only difference being facing the other team's sideline?
Isn't the bolded part exactly what a ref may interpret as taunting?
 

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I disagree with you on Lars on the taunting call. The fault lies with the existence of that rule, not with the call at that point in time. It’s a ridiculous rule, but it is a rule and that’s how they’ve been enforcing it.
No it isn't.
 

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I didn’t really follow the origin of this rule and didn’t even know it existed until the execution of it started pouring in, but it is at least somewhat racially motivated, yes? Reads to me similar to when the NBA installed a dress code because AI wore big t-shirts and Stern thought the league needed to be made safer for white fans after the Malice at the Palace.

Maybe this is even worse because there is no inciting incident, just some old cranks yelling at clouds. No fans give a fuck about taunting. And especially not the plays they are flagging as taunting.

I wonder if they quietly dial it back after a primetime embarrassment like this with the announcers calling it out.

Edit: I see Deadspin made the same point and comp back in September.
 
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Isn't the bolded part exactly what a ref may interpret as taunting?
The problem is in the interpretation.. that happens after almost every big play IMO.. he said nothing and was 100 feet away from their sideline.. how is that taunting? It's like Tim Duncan getting a T for laughing while on the bench.

Edit: To add.. the other problem is in when it's called.. if there's 'interpretation' of what is taunting and it's solely at the ref's discretion.. then there's just another opportunity to completely pivot a game with zero oversight.. because nobody will look at the 100 times you didn't call taunting when a player faced the opponent's sideline, but may completely accept a call like this one.. because 'hey, he was facing that way'... Forgetting that it's been happening all game/season. It's an arbitrary rule with arbitrary enforcement.
 

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I didn’t really follow the origin of this rule and didn’t even know it existed until the execution of it started pouring in, but it is at least somewhat racially motivated, yes? Reads to me similar to when the NBA installed a dress code because AI wore big t-shirts and Stern thought the league needed to be made safer for white fans after the Malice at the Palace.

Maybe this is even worse because there is no inciting incident, just some old cranks yelling at clouds.
John Mara - who is on the Competition Committee - had a shitfit over his Giants getting taunted week after week.

From August: “That’s something we discuss every year in the competition committee,” Mara said. “We get kind of sick and tired of the taunting that does go on from time to time on the field. We tried to balance the sportsmanship with allowing the players to have fun and there’s always a fine line there, but none of us like to see that. It’s just a question of whether you can have rules that can be enforced and without taking the fun out of the game too, but nobody wants to see a player taunting another player. I know, I certainly don’t. I think the rest of the members of the competition committee feel the same way, too.”
 

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Tomlin wins a game like this and folks will talk about how amazing he is as a coach...but they were up 20-6 in the 4th quarter and there is no reason this should have been a game. This is coming from a Steelers fan too.
None of the Steelers’ fans I know will be saying that, including this one.

I think you’re overestimating the quality of this roster. There are many reasons why it was a game, not least of which their inexperienced OL, limited QB, and mismatched offensive scheme. Inability to adjust in-game has always been a hallmark of Tomlin-coached teams. They don’t consistently throw the ball down the field and they can’t run the ball, which allows the D to stack the box. They have a lot at the skill positions but it doesn’t work with this OC/QB/OL combo. The fact that this game was close was not anomalous, but wholly predictable. This is what they are. They’re third or fourth in a tough division.

They need to move on from Ben, I still don’t see the attraction to Matt Canada, and the OL just needs time and draft reinforcements.
 

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The problem is in the interpretation.. that happens after almost every big play IMO.. he said nothing and was 100 feet away from their sideline.. how is that taunting? It's like Tim Duncan getting a T for laughing while on the bench.
The problem with the taunting rule is that it's not like the tuck rule, which was a questionable rule which was enforced correctly on a change-of-possession play that required the official to make a call; taunting is inherently in the eyes/ears of the beholder, and has no impact on the outcome of a play. Refs sometimes ignore it, and other times seem to go out of their way to look for it - so it's ripe for abuse.
 

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The problem is in the interpretation.. that happens after almost every big play IMO.. he said nothing and was 100 feet away from their sideline.. how is that taunting? It's like Tim Duncan getting a T for laughing while on the bench.
Scroll back, I totally called the penalty BS when it was called. I agree with you, but he was clearly walking toward the Steelers' bench, he was clearly celebrating the sack after already doing some sort of helicopter kick. Unfortunately, he gave the ref the ability to inject himself in the game.