Nink Retiring because he ran out of James Harrison's PED stash: Thank You

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That makes the most sense of course.

As long as Brady or BB isn't saying this is their last year.
 

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Has to be Nink. That will be a huge loss. Leaves mostly Flowers, Ealy, and rookies at DE. Versatility of LBs now a necessity.
Nink is a "huge loss?" He was putrid last year, this is addition by subtraction.

He was a great Patriot, of course, and he deserves a "Thank You" thread, but this can't be a surprise. He was cooked.
 

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Nink is a "huge loss?" He was putrid last year, this is addition by subtraction.

He was a great Patriot, of course, and he deserves a "Thank You" thread, but this can't be a surprise. He was cooked.
Look at the depth of the position. It is a big loss. He wasn't what he used to be but he came up with a few big plays last year in big spots. This will most likely force younger players to play bigger roles.
 

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Look at the depth of the position. It is a big loss. He wasn't what he used to be but he came up with a few big plays last year in big spots. This will most likely force younger players to play bigger roles.
Younger players are a better bet than Nink is right now. He likely wouldn't be retiring if that was the case, unless maybe he failed another drug test. Either way, whatever few big plays he had (I don't recall many?) didn't make up for his overall play. He was really, really bad.
 

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That makes the most sense of course.

As long as Brady or BB isn't saying this is their last year.
I think there's little chance they'd announce before a season and have all the extra questions all year long.
 

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I think if Nink is going to retire it's because he was told his roster spot was in jeopardy. Nink was a great player for a while here. Really took over Vrable's role about as well as one would hope.
 

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Would the league announce if a retired player failed a drug test and was set to be out for 10 games?
 

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Interested to see how much they fill his role with more of a pure edge rush type (Ealy / Rivers / Wise) and how much they use McClellin / Van Noy (who can rush but play more LB) and do more of a 3-4 look.
 

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Nink had great instincts for getting into the right place at the right time. He had an uncanny knack for both forcing and recovering fumbles.
Yup. Not as physically talented as Vrabel but very similar instincts. Have to wonder which player on some other team's training camp roster is going to continue the legacy. Obviously has to be a white OLB/DE hybrid from the Big 10 to qualify.
 

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Is there cap relief for player retirements?
They're still on the hook for his 900,000 prorated portion of his signing bonus, but they save a 300,000 roster bonus and of course don't have to pay his 1,000,000 salary. He'll be replaced by a lower cost player, so they will save a few bucks had he made the team.
 

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Only 4 players in the last 20 years with:
46+ sacks
14+ FR
12+ FF
5+ INT

Jared Allen, Jason Taylor, Julius Peppers, and Nink.
 

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There was a 2-3 season period where it seemed like every single fumble involved Nink in some form. With the turnover battle so crucial, Nink was really one of the best guys in the league to have on your defense when it came to winning that battle.

Don't discount his emergency long-snapping abilities either.
 

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I don't think there's any player with as large a gap between how SoSH game threads (and some above) evaluated a guy and how BB obviously did.

So if you hate on him, think about the bet you are making on your own eval skills before you post about how terrible he was.

Far from perfect, likely near the end, but a useful and under appreciated piece nonetheless
 

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I don't think there's any player with as large a gap between how SoSH game threads (and some above) evaluated a guy and how BB obviously did.

So if you hate on him, think about the bet you are making on your own eval skills before you post about how terrible he was.

Far from perfect, likely near the end, but a useful and under appreciated piece nonetheless
The great thing about the SoSH game thread/Ninkovich relationship wasn't just that he was underappreciated, it was more about the timing of the negative comments. More than any other player I can remember, Nink would get utterly eviscerated in the game threads early on in games, maybe because of a missed assignment or a missed tackle, and the game threaders would pile on as the game went on to the point where you'd think everyone wants Nink to get released at halftime. Then, at the height of the madness, Nink would have a ridiculous, game-saving play and everyone would forget about the first three quarters... and every time, someone would post, "Nink says 'Fuck you, SoSH'".

He was one of my favorites, and I'm glad to see he went out as a champion. Thanks Nink.
 

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I don't think there's any player with as large a gap between how SoSH game threads (and some above) evaluated a guy and how BB obviously did.

So if you hate on him, think about the bet you are making on your own eval skills before you post about how terrible he was.

Far from perfect, likely near the end, but a useful and under appreciated piece nonetheless
Nink and Brady are the only two Pats jerseys I own. He's up there in my book.
 

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I don't think there's any player with as large a gap between how SoSH game threads (and some above) evaluated a guy and how BB obviously did.

So if you hate on him, think about the bet you are making on your own eval skills before you post about how terrible he was.

Far from perfect, likely near the end, but a useful and under appreciated piece nonetheless
I think the reason for this gap is that Ninkovich (at least late in his career - earlier he was more of an off-ball linebacker) was an edge rusher who was mediocre at edge rushing, but was excellent at everything else - setting the edge, dropping into coverage, knowing his assignments, tackling, keeping gap discipline, etc. If you're Jim Schwartz and you run a wide-9 4-3 and want your DEs to scream off the edge every play - or for those fans who expect that out of their DE - Ninkovich isn't going to be your guy. Obviously the versatility, consistency, and dependability (only one missed game, back in 2009, other than last year's suspension) worked for Belichick and Patricia.
 

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I think the reason for this gap is that Ninkovich (at least late in his career - earlier he was more of an off-ball linebacker) was an edge rusher who was mediocre at edge rushing, but was excellent at everything else - setting the edge, dropping into coverage, knowing his assignments, tackling, keeping gap discipline, etc. If you're Jim Schwartz and you run a wide-9 4-3 and want your DEs to scream off the edge every play - or for those fans who expect that out of their DE - Ninkovich isn't going to be your guy. Obviously the versatility, consistency, and dependability (only one missed game, back in 2009, other than last year's suspension) worked for Belichick and Patricia.
Agreed, and as you noted in the past Chandler Jones is pretty much the opposite---great at pure pash rushing, but not spectacular at a lot of other things.
 

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Agreed, and as you noted in the past Chandler Jones is pretty much the opposite---great at pure pash rushing, but not spectacular at a lot of other things.
I think some of the criticism of Jones' run D is overblown - he's pretty solid at the point of attack - but he's definitely more of a traditional 4-3 DE who doesn't give you the kind of flexibility a guy like Ninkovich does.

One of the interesting things I've learned doing some draft analysis is that the Patriots use less draft capital on edge rushers than any other team. Jones is the only top 50 pick they've used on a pure edge, no other NFL team has used so few picks on edge rushers since 2000. They've taken 3-4 DE types like Seymour and Warren with high picks, or linebackers who can rush a little like Hightower, but Jones is the only pure edge they've taken high. Part of that is where the positional value lines up where they are typically picking, and part is that they're looking for something a little different than most teams (and there's a chicken-egg question somewhere in there, too). Guys like Ninkovich come way cheaper than guys like Jones.
 

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From the Globe article, this part absolutely stood out and had me laughing out loud at my desk:

Ninkovich shared the story of his conditioning test and first practice with the Patriots. “Fast forward into 2009 when I got here, a late flight, I got in super early, and I had to run the conditioning test. Let me tell you, I was all by myself. I was a week into camp, and I told myself, ‘If I don’t make this test, I’m gone.’ So I made the test, and [then] the first practice, I had to turn some heads. This is my only chance, to make the best of this chance. So I had to turn heads. I was going against [former Patriots offensive lineman] Matt Light, and I love Matt, we’re great friends, but Matt, I had to do it to you. First rep I beat him. Second rep I beat him. Third rep I beat him. [Offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia] was saying, ‘This kid just got here and he’s beating you.’ That was a great feeling. I think, Bill, you put me on a highlight for that day, like, ‘This kid just got here and he knows how to rush and by the time we’re done with him, he won’t know what he’s doing,’ so I didn’t know exactly what that meant, but it’s a great memory. That was the start.’’
It's hard to get more Classic-Belichick than that.
 

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I was not a late career Nink fan. He had timely plays no doubt. But too often the last 2 or 3 years he couldnt even hold the edge. I think most of it was physical. He was only 260ish. So going against 300+ tackles (and often double teamed) he would crumple. I didnt expect him to Make JJ Watt plays. But he didnt hold his ground like he did when younger.

Maybe When Vince was there they couldnt double team as much, because he seemed to do worse after he left.

So he didnt hold the edge (as well as he once did), he didnt get after the QB as well as he once did, and he didnt get fumbles or INTs like he once did. And he was only 32 So should have still had some above average (for him) production.

I wont dance on his grave any more, but i do think that younger players can do an as well or better job then Nink has done these last few years.
 

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You may be right about his physical abilities being replaceable, but even at his best, I think Nink was (to quote Yogi) "90% half mental." Nink's best plays were often about being in the right place at the right time; even when he got beat, it was usually because he was physically over-powered not because he was out of position. That is where I think they will miss him.

Dogman's stat above was ind of incredible. I don't think anyone, even the most die-hard, Patriot Kool_aid drinking, relative of the Ninkovich family, would put Nink in the same category as those other guys, but there are the stats.
Only 4 players in the last 20 years with:
46+ sacks
14+ FR
12+ FF
5+ INT
Jared Allen, Jason Taylor, Julius Peppers, and Nink.
 

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Dogman's stat above was ind of incredible. I don't think anyone, even the most die-hard, Patriot Kool_aid drinking, relative of the Ninkovich family, would put Nink in the same category as those other guys, but there are the stats.
To be clear: he's not remotely in the same category as those other guys, who all had well over 100 career sacks.