NLDS Game Thread

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fineyoungarm said:
Carl Crawford on why the weak groundball - "The media made me sad."
 
I didn't have a rooting interest in this series until I heard Charlie Steiner on Sirius blathering on that it's unfair that the narrative on the Punto trade is that the Red Sox got the better of the deal.  Carl Crawford's supposed brilliance this year seemed to be the point.  Kind of turned me quickly against the Dodgers, and makes me happy that Mr. "I can only play well where they don't give a shit" made the last out.
 

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Didn't want to respond during the game, but I think they just didn't think about that particular situation.  The rule is that fair/foul is only reviewable if it happens behind the standard first and third base umpire's position.  I think the reason for the rule is the peculiarity of the fair/foul rule and the limits of camera positioning.  The rule, of course, is that a ball that bounces in front of first or third base is fair or foul based on where it touches a player or crosses the bag.  If, however, the ball first touches the ground past the bag, it is fair or foul based on whether it is fair or foul when it first touches a player or the field.  In the first case, it's going to be very difficult to make a call using video.  The question whether the ball is over the base or not when it passes the base is really a 3D question.  Without some fancy technology like soccer goal line technology, or cameras in the sky directly above the bag (which do not exist in many ballparks), the view of the play is going to be very dependent on camera angles.  So, I think the judgment is that video is rarely if ever going to be reliable, or at least more reliable than a properly positioned umpire.  On a ball that first touches down after the bag, however, it's a much more objective question -- which side of the line did it land on.  That's one where video evidence in a non-negligible number of cases is likely to be more reliable than what the umpire saw.  So, it's appropriate for that fair/foul call.
 
So, that's the rationale for the rule.  My hunch is that these are really the only two scenarios they were thinking about when they drafted the rule.  They really weren't thinking about the question whether or not a batter is hit in the batter's box, which video can detect reliably.  The way the rule is written, though, what can you do?  Wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of modification.
 
 
That works, I guess. Thanks. A modification is in order. Well, umpires who are willing to jump in and tell their colleague the call was missed would be best.
 

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That's true. But with so many other weapons a good manager should be able to manage around that one weakness.
Around a weak bullpen?

Good luck. Talk to Bobby Cox.

Nationals staring down the same gun barrel, unfortunately.
 

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Dodgers managed to score 5 runs in Games 2-4 and their manager turned into Grady Little.

Still, much as that racist video disgusted me, I do like the Cardinals (particularly guys like Carpenter and Molina and Wainwright) and know a lot of intelligent Cardinals fans. Don't mind seeing them advance.
 

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Lowrielicious said:
That's true. But with so many other weapons a good manager should be able to manage around that one weakness.
You could have a rotation of Aces, but you have a better chance of winning a jackpot then winning a WS with a shitty BP
 

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You could have a rotation of Aces, but you have a better chance of winning a jackpot then winning a WS with a shitty BP
It is interesting that this postseason Relief Pitching (Royals, Giants) seems to be beating Starting Pitching (A's, Tigers, Dodgers).

It's an oversimplification. Maybe "bad relief pitching" seems to be really, really bad?
 

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You could have a rotation of Aces, but you have a better chance of winning a jackpot then winning a WS with a shitty BP
 
Its a shitty BP other than the closer who is maybe top three in baseball.
Add to that the third best team OPS (6th in runs) in a home park that suits pitchers.
Best SP in baseball. Plus Greinke and Ryu.
 
Massive budget or not, a weak bridge from the excellent SPs to the excellent closer with that offense is not something for a GM to get fired over.
 

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Gio can be boom or bust. This won't be a short leash; it will be a choke collar. Strasburg > pen and rightly so.
 

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I can't get over Don Mattingly not starting his best hitter in an elimination game.
 

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If you have a bad bullpen and great starters you use your starters in the pen. In this case DM could have brought Jansen in when Kershaw got in trouble and then used Haren to finish the game. But take what I say with a grain of salt since I turned on the game after getting home right as Adams came to the plate.
 

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DrewDawg said:
I can't get over Don Mattingly not starting his best hitter in an elimination game.
 
MakMan44 said:
It's the PR thing that blows my mind. 
 
William Robertson said:
My reaction to the last few days: I'm thinking about sending a thank-you note to Terry Francona.
 
D) All of the above
 

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From my driveway, 9 miles due east and 1250 feet above sea level, I can see into the Giant's ballpark. Unfortunately, owing to the curvature of the earth, I can only see down to the box seats. 
 
Tonight I can't even do that, enough haze in the marine layer to obscure the view.
 

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I'm pretty neutral on the Cards outside of Buck gasming for them, but hot damn am I glad to see Crawford and Mattingly suffer. Oh, and Magic, can't forget him!
 

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glasspusher said:
From my driveway, 9 miles due east and 1250 feet above sea level, I can see into the Giant's ballpark. Unfortunately, owing to the curvature of the earth, I can only see down to the box seats. 
 
Tonight I can't even do that, enough haze in the marine layer to obscure the view.
What is the thinking on the effect of the marine layer on fly balls ? I vaguely recall seeing something on that a while back.
 

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I've been to a lot of Major League ballparks.  This is still my favorite for just the spectacular views.  Not a bad seat in the place either.  Easy in and out as a fan too.
 

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Remagellan said:
If you have a bad bullpen and great starters you use your starters in the pen. In this case DM could have brought Jansen in when Kershaw got in trouble and then used Haren to finish the game. But take what I say with a grain of salt since I turned on the game after getting home right as Adams came to the plate.
I really, really like your idea but I can't think of a single manager who would do it. 
 

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Lowrielicious said:
What is the thinking on the effect of the marine layer on fly balls ? I vaguely recall seeing something on that a while back.
 
Cooler air, sometimes with fog. Would slow things down. Yesterday was warm, with the air coming off of the land. A couple of days earlier it was stronger off of the land, no marine layer to speak of. The warm season out here is Sept-Oct. I tell folks from back east that August and October are flipped here.
 

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glasspusher said:
 
Cooler air, sometimes with fog. Would slow things down. Yesterday was warm, with the air coming off of the land. A couple of days earlier it was stronger off of the land, no marine layer to speak of. The warm season out here is Sept-Oct. I tell folks from back east that August and October are flipped here.
In the 80s at Santa Cruz Saturday. You almost never get that in the summer. 
 

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This could be the game right here. There are 8 outs in the Nats lineup these days
 

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I imagine Allen Craig is a very sad man right now.

And I wonder if Jake Peavey and John Lackey will be starting against each other next week?