#NotAllMedia: The Ballghazi Whitelist

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I decided a few days ago to start a whitelist in the Ballghazi mega-thread to keep track of influential voices who were actually listenable/readable during this whole mess.  I separated the list into groups of players (past and present) and non-players (mostly writers and talking heads).

Perhaps this is of little utility to many of you, but I think it is worthwhile to preserve for posterity the names of people who haven't covered themselves in diarrhea while reporting this story. Lord knows there isn't going to be any accountability for the offenders, but we can at least give credit to those who rose above the fray.

I encourage you all to let me know if I've missed anyone, or if I've included someone who doesn't belong. I'll edit accordingly.

Players:
Chris Kluwe
Willie McGinest
Jim Miller
Matt Leinart
Steve Young
Damon Huard
Drew Bledsoe
Louis Riddick
Matt Hasselbeck
Rodney Peete
Chad Brown
Boomer Esiason
Matt Chatham
Brady Quinn
Tedy Bruschi
Rich Gannon
Michael Irvin
D'Qwell Jackson
Dwayne Allen
Deion Sanders
Chris Long

Non-players:
Adam Schefter
Doug Kyed
Charles Pierce
Rich Eisen
Steve Czaban
Bill Barnwell
Robert Mays
Don Banks
KC Joyner
Jim Daopoulos
Michael Holley
Mike Reiss
Jason DeCanfora
Tom E. Curran
Craig Carton
 

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Thanks for doing this.
 
I can't kill D'Qwell Jackson and Dwayne Allen of the Colts, both of whom said the underflatedness of the balls was no big deal that that the Colts would've gotten curb-stomped by the Pats in any event.
 

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I would add Michael Irvin to the list (yeah I know) for being fair and recognizing the minor nature of the whole affair. Use your discretion
 

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This is really odd. This is a list of people not being big meanies to your favorite football team?

Don't you have cursive practice or something? Maybe a glue stick project?
 

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No, this is a list of the few people providing honest and fair coverage of a (non-)story that has been dramatically distorted by everyone else.

If this were about pure fanboyism, I wouldn't have excluded any of the commentators who have been pushing the NFL-Colts-Ravens conspiracy theory/sting operation story.  That narrative is just as odious, lazy, and dishonest as the "cheating Patriots are cheaters" narrative.  The fact that it also happens exonerate the Patriots doesn't add any value, in my opinion.

Also, nice assumption on your part that the Patriots are my "favorite" team.  This is about an irresponsible sports media, which is a disservice to the entire league, no matter who you root for.
 

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Drocca said:
This is really odd. This is a list of people not being big meanies to your favorite football team?

Don't you have cursive practice or something? Maybe a glue stick project?
 
Have you had your head in the sand for the past week?
 

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This is useful. People who do good work should be praised when everyone else is trolling for clicks. In theory this would create positive change as those who work for clickbait realize the bait isn't working. Unfortunately, I don't know if there are enough people like us who care, CHB being the perfect example.
 
Perhaps it's not necessary because he's one of the best reporters working all the time, but Mike Reiss should be on the list.
 

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How about a Special Place In Hell List too?
 
Separated into Local Media/National Media/National Ex Athletes
 

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What is the criteria for the list?  Media who withheld judgment until the facts come in from an official source?  
 

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Mike Tanier has an entirely reasonable take (bonus points for being busy covering the Senior Bowl last week and resisting the urge to jump in with a half-baked Hot Take):
 
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2342007-mike-taniers-monday-morning-hangover-caught-up-pumped-up-for-super-bowl-xlix
 


Yes, I know I am taking a contrary opinion in the Case of the Over-salted French Fries here. Bleacher Report's own Mike Freeman wrote this week that the Patriots' legacy is forever tarnished. I felt that by Saturday, when Belichick began spouting pseudo-scientific gobbledygook, this story had already started burning itself out.

 

By Tuesday's Media Day, when kids' network superheroes and dudes dressed in lederhosen are barging into interviews to make "limp balls" jokes, about 98 percent of the football world will be eager to move on. By the start of free agency, we will think back on last week as another week of our lives wasted. In five years, Deflategate will become the province of bottom-of-the-comment-thread denizens who have either cheating-related or homophobic nicknames for all 32 teams. (Cheatroits, Cheatboys, CheatHawks, CheatOlts, CharCheatGers; I will spare you examples of the latter.)
 
By the time Brady and Belichick are Hall of Fame eligible, the voters who plan to snub them for Deflategate, Spygate or other gates will either be chucked out of the room or severely outvoted on the first ballot. These aren't baseball Hall of Fame voters, after all; they don't think they are appointing a new pope.
 
Is the Patriots' legacy forever tarnished? All championship legacies are forever tarnished. The Seahawks got away with non-stop pass interference last year, right? Ray Lewis smeared deer antler all over himself and (because message board commenters 15 years later know far more than eyewitnesses or district attorneys) killed people with his bare hands.
 
The referees gave the Steelers that win over the Seahawks in Super Bowl XL. Peyton Manning's lone Super Bowl came against Rex Grossman in a downpour; that shouldn't count. The Redskins won three Super Bowls, but two came during strike years—how great a legacy is that? There are people who still think Super Bowl III was fixed. Al Davis would fill your footballs with plutonium if he thought the radiation sickness would give him a fourth-quarter edge, and his defenders would run over receivers with Harleys in the middle of the field. But the antics of the 1970s Raiders are remembered as "colorful."
 
Remember Bountygate? The Saints were accused of crimes about 50 times worse than what the Patriots are accused of: You can't permanently injure Kurt Warner or Brett Favre with a limp football. There were audiotapes, ledgers and other bits of evidence. Roger Goodell went into Angry Caesar mode and torched Saints headquarters, then everyone realized that perhaps they overreacted a bit to some old-school coaching cliches and some overzealous hits, just as everyone will soon realize that football inflation pressures are not subjects worthy of a week of national rancor.
 
When you think back on the 2009-11 Saints, do you think of them as a bunch of headhunters on a quest to hospitalize opposing quarterbacks? Maybe you do. Maybe you also still hold grudges from sixth grade. I think of Drew Brees, overtime in the Vikings game and surprise onside kicks. Bountygate ended just two years ago and involved real health and safety issues. It's largely forgotten, except as a chapter in the strange history of Goodell the Lawgiver. Deflategate doesn't stand a chance. It will fade the way our obsession with Manti Te'o's romantic life has faded.
 
"Sports legacy" is an outdated concept, a holdover from when sportswriters could control narrative and create the 1927 Yankees, Lombardi Packers, Jack Dempsey and Arnold Palmer that they wanted the world to love. You, as fans, can now see everything, find anything you need online, review video or written information that never fades or crinkles and draw your own conclusions. You have also become keenly aware of "narrative" itself, how we spin and counterspin for profit. If the 1927 Yankees played today, Babe Ruth would get treated like A-Rod. If Lombardi's Packers returned, each hagiographic article would include a rehash of Paul Horung's gambling allegations in the comment thread.
 
Our generation's narrative legacy will be the death of legacy narratives. Championships are built out of great players and brilliant coaches, who sometimes twist rules, take drugs, do terrible things and get exceptionally lucky with calls and bounces. (They also sometimes give huge sums to charities, save people from car wrecks and inspire millions with their hard work and dedication.) There are lines that can never be crossed—game fixing, for example, or chloroforming the opponent's offensive line during stretches—but fiddling with the footballs does not come within 20 yards of that line.
 
The Patriots should be punished, of course: Rule violations should be punished. If you are stomping your feet and demanding that Belichick and Brady be suspended for the Super Bowl (or drawn and quartered), ask yourself: Will that make you feel better? Will it make football better? Will there be a parade around Monument Circle in Indy or through Baltimore's Inner Harbor to celebrate a Seahawks victory over Josh McDaniels and Jimmy Garoppolo? If there was, would anyone attend it?
 
Won't that just created a "tarnished" championship for the Seahawks?
 

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Tanier still accepts the premise that the Patriots violated a rule.  
 
There's no evidence that they have.
 
The media seems to be turning from "Burn the Patriots down!" to "Well, can they just get a fine so we can move on and not consider that this was maybe all a little foolish?"
 
Fuck that.  The Patriots shouldn't be punished because everyone and their mother overreacted to this piffle.   
 

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The fact that Tanier uses the phrase "pseudo-scientific gobbledygook" should disqualify him from being considered to have a "reasonable" take on the story.
 

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drleather2001 said:
Tanier still accepts the premise that the Patriots violated a rule.  
 
There's no evidence that they have.
 
The media seems to be turning from "Burn the Patriots down!" to "Well, can they just get a fine so we can move on and not consider that this was maybe all a little foolish?"
 
Fuck that.  The Patriots shouldn't be punished because everyone and their mother overreacted to this piffle.   
 
Red(s)HawksFan said:
The fact that Tanier uses the phrase "pseudo-scientific gobbledygook" should disqualify him from being considered to have a "reasonable" take on the story.
 
The guy spent half a column ridiculing the whole 'scandal' and refuting the 'Cheatriots' narrative.  I'll gladly take more columns like this.
 

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Having seen anything he's written recently, but I just caught Jason Cole on CSNNE with Felger (from last night). He was eminently reasonable.
 

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Today when I was driving in to work one of the local guys here, he's a producer (Chris somethingorother) but also comments from time to time, said that BB "...got the science all wrong." His exact quote was, "nevermind that he got the science all wrong."
 
He did not elaborate about what was wrong with it. I'm not sure if Producer Chris on The Buzz in Raleigh, NC is on the whitelist, but I wanted to give you guys a head's up that HE SHOULD NOT BE and if he currently is HE SHOULD BE REMOVED.
 
Obviously this is a fluid situation and I will keep the updates coming. Also, I'm low on gluesticks, FYI. 
 

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From my morning commute:
 
Brian Urlacher was on Mike & Mike in the morning and, when discussing Gronk catching a TD pass, said, "then he caught that deflated ball."
 
Now, he did laugh and it sounded like he may have been joking but I don't think that receives an automatic pass. Note: BRIAN URLACHER IS ON THE NOT-WHITE LIST.
 
Pending review, obviously.
 

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Drocca said:
From my morning commute:
 
Brian Urlacher was on Mike & Mike in the morning and, when discussing Gronk catching a TD pass, said, "then he caught that deflated ball."
 
Now, he did laugh and it sounded like he may have been joking but I don't think that receives an automatic pass. Note: BRIAN URLACHER IS ON THE NOT-WHITE LIST.
 
Pending review, obviously.
 
I heard most of the Urlacher interview - he seemed pretty dismissive of the controversy.
 

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I have a hard time trusting the judgment of anyone who listens to Mike & Mike.  
 
Sorry, D-Rock, it's been a great ride.  You are off my whitelist.
 

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I have a hard time trusting the judgment of anyone who listens to Mike & Mike.  
 
 
I plead extenuating circumstances - no Sirius XM in the wife's car.
 

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I think someone needs to create a sports journalist rating website. Kind of like ones for doctors, lawyers, movies, etc. Keep em honest that way.
 

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theapportioner said:
I think someone needs to create a sports journalist rating website. Kind of like ones for doctors, lawyers, movies, etc. Keep em honest that way.
 
The Fire Joe Morgan blog (featuring SoSH's own Ken Tremendous) was a must-read if you're looking for something like that.  I'm not sure if anyone has picked up the torch since they closed up shop.
 

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Sounds like we need to form a committee to get to the bottom of exactly what Urlacher believes. 
When it comes to an issue as important as deflategate, there can be no middle ground. You're either on the side of truth, freedom, and justice, or you are on the side of hatred, cruelty, and death. 
 
One hates to contemplate a world where things like waterboarding might be required to ensure the integrity of sports-journalism, but these are challenging and difficult times we live in. Now, I'm certainly not going to be the one to suggest anything like pulling out Urlacher's fingernails, or having DSS take his kids away. Hell, I'm the guy trying to prevent anything from going into crazy-mode. I'm just asking for some clarification, to help keep the wolves at bay. I mean, if I go back to my people with nothing, they're not gonna be very happy...
 

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Players who have been elite in this game, who are quite confident in their own accomplishments, generally have zero tolerance for this crap. I'm thinking specifically of Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin, Hall of Famers.

Irvin riffs:

"I think it's unfair for us to question Brady when he has given us nothing to make us question his veracity in the past," Irvin said. "All of a sudden people are starting to say, 'I don't know if I believe him, I don't know if I believe him.' Yeah, I had a problem with that."

Irvin was also quick to play down the effect a deflated ball would even have in a game.

"I know it helps with the grip but it kills the distance also," Irvin said. "So a lot of noise about a lot of things."

Irvin's support of Brady went further too - a lot further. When it comes to Brady's legacy, there isn't anybody better than him, according to Irvin.

"I would consider him and I already consider him one of the best if not the best," Irvin said. "You're here six times and nobody else has been here six times. Let the numbers speak for themselves. When we start talking - and I measure men in distance traveled - when we start talking distance traveled, there's not a man in sports, let alone a man in football that has traveled any farther distance than Tom Brady. He's the greatest ever."
 

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Tito's Pullover said:
No, this is a list of the few people providing honest and fair coverage of a (non-)story that has been dramatically distorted by everyone else.

If this were about pure fanboyism, I wouldn't have excluded any of the commentators who have been pushing the NFL-Colts-Ravens conspiracy theory/sting operation story.  That narrative is just as odious, lazy, and dishonest as the "cheating Patriots are cheaters" narrative.  The fact that it also happens exonerate the Patriots doesn't add any value, in my opinion.
 
Literally everyone on this list has either outright defended the Patriots or said "it's not a big deal." or not really given an opinion either way. And you're claiming that that's a coincidence. How adorable.
 

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How about a Special Place In Hell List too?
 
Separated into Local Media/National Media/National Ex Athletes
 
 Agreed. There should be a Blacklist as well.
 
I feel strongly that certain media members (especially local ones) should have their "bottom line" diminished. Less Twitter followers, less article views, less Facebook likes, etc. I am not naive enough to think that this will start some kind of sea change, but those who have displayed questionable sports journalism ethics during the past two weeks should have to explain to their employers why they have 1,000 less Twitter followers, or why their articles are generating significantly less clicks.
 
I'd love, for example, for ESPN to come to their sponsors with a 50% drop in viewer ratings in New England over the next year. Money talks.
 
(sorry if this is a thread de-rail)
 

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Well, I guess we need to resurrect this list. I've mostly avoided media the last 24 hours, but Tony Kornheiser was actually pro-logic and Patriots on his D.C. radio show this morning -- and he hates Belichick.
 
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