Sale and Barnes activated. Brasier optioned to Worcester. Feliz DFA.
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Now it's Sale's turn: Sale has COVID, will not start Sunday (9/10 update)
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Daily update: I'm just gonna update this as we go. Moves are now by transaction date, actual games played the player missed noted in parens on return. (This may capture a normal off day or two.)
Gone and Back.
Active Callups and Returns from Covid:
Gone and Back.
Christian Arroyo: Aug. 27 (+ test) (more severe symptoms than others per Cora on 9/7)
Enrique Hernandez: Aug. 27 (+ test)
return: Sept. 7 (missed 11 games)
Martin Perez: Aug. 30 (+ test)
return: Sept. 14 (missed 13 games)
Matt Barnes: Aug. 30 (+ test)
return: Sept. 17.
Josh Taylor: Aug. 31 (? test - 7 day minimum for a close contact.)
return: Sept. 6. (missed 7 games)
Hirokazu Sawamura: Aug. 31 (+ test)
return: Sept. 13 (missed 12 games)
Xander Boegarts: Sept. 1. (+ test)
return: Sept. 10. (missed 9 games counting 8/31 removal)
Yario Munoz: Sept. 1. (+ test)
Jarod Durran: Sept. 3 (+ test - symptoms before test)
Nick Pivetta: Sept. 5. (+ test)
return: Sept 12. (started on 8/30, then 9/12)
Danny "Power and Speed" Santanner: Sept 5. (Negative test, but fielding poorly)
return: Sept. 7 (missed 2 games)
Second Covid IL: Sept. 11. (+ test)
Chris Sale: Sept. 10 (+ test)
return: Sept 17 (started on 9/17)
Jonathan Arauz: Sept. 10 (Negative test, but symptoms)
Phillips Valdez: Sept. 12 (+ test)
Total 13 Covid-impacted players. And Santana, who might count twice?
Active Callups and Returns from Covid:
Jonathan Arauz: Aug. 27
(Covid symptoms 9/10)
Yario Munoz: Aug. 27
(Covid on 9/1)
Phillips Valdez: Aug. 30
(Covid on 9/12)
Raynel Espinal: Aug. 30
(down 8/31)
Stephen Gonsalves: Aug. 31
(down 9/13)
Brad Peacock: Aug. 31
(down 9/11)
second call-up: Sept. 12
(down 9/13)
(Renfroe returns from bereavement leave: 8/31)
Roster Expansion 9/1 to 28 playersJohn Schreiber: Sept. 1
(down on 9/6)
Jack Lopez: Sept. 1
(down on 9/6)
second call-up: Sept. 11
Danny "Power and Speed" Santanner: Sept. 1
(to IL with Covid symptoms on 9/5)
returned on 9/7
(to IL with something, 9/11)
Ryan Brasier: Sept. 1
(down on 9/17)
Connor Wong: Sept. 3
(down on 9/4)
Taylor Motter: Sept 4 (claimed off waivers from Rockies 9/2)
(DFA 9/7, outrighted to Wor. 9/10)
Kutter Crawford: Sept. 5
(down on 9/6)
Franchy Cordero: Sept. 5
(down on 9/7)
Josh Taylor: Sept. 6 (return from Covid close contact)
Michael Feliz: Sept. 6 (free agent - released by Reds 8/25)
(DFA 9/17)
Jose Iglesias: Sept. 6 (free agent - released by Angels 9/3)
Enrique Hernandez: Sept. 7 (return from Covid, + test)
Darwinzon Hernandez: Sept. 10
Kaleb Ort: Sept. 10
(down on 9/14)
Xander Boegarts: Sept. 10. (return from Covid + test)
(9/10 Austin Davis to Paternity list - hence 3 additions on 9/10, returned 9/13)
Connor Seabold: Sept. 11
(down on 9/12) (Made one start 9/11)
Nick Pivetta: Sept 12. (started on 9/12)
Hirokazu Sawamura: Sept. 13
Martin Perez: Sept. 14
Chris Sale: Sept. 17
Matt Barnes: Sept 17
Well, there you have it: Feliz and Braiser, not Feliz and Lopez. So they go with 13 position players and 15 pitchers. Lopez obviously down next when Arroyo returns. I suspect they keep Duran in AAA the rest of the regular season, so they don't have to DFA anyone ....
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2021/09/boston-red-soxs-chris-sale-confirms-hes-not-vaccinated-was-asymptomatic-while-sidelined-with-covid-for-second-time.html
"Red Sox ace Chris Sale [...] confirmed he is not vaccinated."
"Red Sox ace Chris Sale [...] confirmed he is not vaccinated."
I love the color coding... It makes me wish I wasn't red/green color blind.
Edit: that sounded snarky upon rereading. I genuinely wish I could access the information in the new formatting as easily as those who see those colors clearly.
After Arroyo, they have four more players on the COVID IL (Santana, Arauz, Valdez, Duran) who will need to be returned to the 40-man, but no more "free" spots available without need of DFA (assuming Lopez goes for Arroyo). I suppose they can they fudge things and play them all in Worcester on rehab assignments through the end of the season, but eventually DFAs will be necessary, especially if they want any of them on the post-season roster. Iglesias is an easy DFA once the regular season finishes since he's ineligible for the post-season anyway. So that's one. Hartlieb is another likely one. After that, choices get tougher.
Hmm. I don't think I've ever asked this, but I really should have at some point in my life. "What 2 colors, apart black, stand out the most to you as contrasts on a white background?"I love the color coding... It makes me wish I wasn't red/green color blind.
Edit: that sounded snarky upon rereading. I genuinely wish I could access the information in the new formatting as easily as those who see those colors clearly.
For me, and I hope for most, green and red are nicely separated, both visually and emotionally/symbolically - they look like opposite team groupings on the page and it's easy to skim over them isolating one or the other.
But that's no reason not to cast the net wider if possible.
Orange and blue work for me. 8% of American men have red/green color blindness, where blue/yellow color blindness is much rarer (1/10,000) and usually the result of illness and/or aging.
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I also have a red/green deficiency. If I look really closely at non-bolded text, I can notice that there is color being used but it doesn't jump out at me and is very hard to see the difference. The thickness is significant. With bolded text, I can tell that there is color without having it pointed out to me, but it still doesn't totally jump out.
If you highlight instead of changing the text color, I find that much easier, although I don't know how easy/hard that is to do on here. A non-color based alternative that would help is to use bold and underline which would make it clear no matter how color blind someone is.
Either way, thanks for keeping up with the updates! I really appreciate it even though it gives me a little bit of a headache when I try to figure out which is red and which is green...
To hell with Chris Sale. The guy who came back from Tommy John surgery in July and stated after his first start that he would never waste another day of his major league career. He would "respect the game". Now we know that was all bullshit because if he really respected the game and his team mates who have been busting their asses to stay in the playoff race, he would not have remained unvaccinated. So he perpetrated the spreading of covid among his team mates.
I have to admit I'm not quite clear on what the rules are with the 40-man and COVID IL replacements. My understanding was that players in the system can be added temporarily without having to pass through waivers when being removed, and that no option is burned ....Munoz added because of COVID, does he have to be DFA'd now? If not, then you have another. So - Hartlieb, Munoz, Lopez, Iglesias ... down to 1 left.
Looking over the (now COVID extended 40), I see that this is complicated by the fact that a couple minor leaguers came off the IL after non COVID injuries; but that's more a matter for the off season, no? When maybe you want Munoz on the 40-man, that's not a matter of juggling responses to COVID ... am I understanding this correctly?
Anyone added to the active roster because of covid who is not on the 40-man does not need to go through waivers to be returned to the minors, since they were never on the 40-man.
Hartlieb, Potts, and Rosario seem easily expendable if need be, they won’t last on the 40-man very long in the off-season anyways.
Perez could be a casualty too, although it would be kind of shitty to dump a guy who has been on the team all year. Santana and Valdez could be at risk; and Iglesias could be dropped with a few days left in the season if they need to make room for a playoff eligible players.
Hartlieb, Potts, and Rosario seem easily expendable if need be, they won’t last on the 40-man very long in the off-season anyways.
Perez could be a casualty too, although it would be kind of shitty to dump a guy who has been on the team all year. Santana and Valdez could be at risk; and Iglesias could be dropped with a few days left in the season if they need to make room for a playoff eligible players.
Munoz is not on the 40 right now because he's on the COVID IL. So when it's time for him to come off, he can simply be sent back to the minors. No DFA needed, but also no 40-man roster spot gained.
I don't know if you're looking at the redsox.com roster, but I find the one at Sox Prospects more informative. Asterisked players are COVID adds not subject to DFA or waivers to be dropped (so Lopez and Munoz). Players who have a dash (---) instead of a number are not currently on the 40-man roster (so the COVID IL players).
I love Chris Sale so goddamn much and it sucks that I have to agree with this. There’s zero excuse for choosing to remain unvaccinated and Chris is putting himself, this team, and everyone around him at risk by doing so. It’s stupid, reckless, and dangerous. I’m so disappointed in him and I hope against hope that he eventually sees how fucking dumb he is being and gets the shot(s)
This is Sale’s SECOND bout with COVID as an unvaccinated individual. I believe his first was back in February before vaccines became widely available to his age demographic. Perhaps his rationale is/was that he had COVID, has natural immunity, and thus felt that he wasn’t a danger to others. Similar to Newton with the Pats. The testing requirements are different between MLB and the NFL so he wasn’t necessarily risking his “availability “ via testing the same way that Newton was. I’m also presuming that he was hit with the alpha and delta variants. Dumbass.
As for Arroyo, he’s a marginal MLB player and there were any number of players on the Sox (Hernandez, Arauz, Chavis, Lopez, and now Iglesias) that could assume his position at 2B. What the hell is he thinking? He doesn’t deserve a roster spot at this point.
As for Arroyo, he’s a marginal MLB player and there were any number of players on the Sox (Hernandez, Arauz, Chavis, Lopez, and now Iglesias) that could assume his position at 2B. What the hell is he thinking? He doesn’t deserve a roster spot at this point.
That was also Sale yesterday in the dugout gabbing away with Eovaldi and others, who wore masks, and refusing to wear one himself. (At least during the innings that I watched. Maybe he put one on later?) So two bouts of covid, the second of which may have contributed to the team outbreak, and not only is this guy not going to get the shot, he won’t even put on a mask? I guess it’s all in how you define “great teammate.”
I don't disagree with you, and maybe this belongs in the other thread, but Eovaldi and whoever else he was talking to have the ability to move away from him or ask him to wear a mask if he wants to talk to them.
Well, now that you’ve put it like that, I can see that Sale’s stance is actually quite reasonable.
I got the vaccine as soon as I could, but, seeking to understand why some do not get the vaccine, I read that you have to make it personally important to them. Coaches and teammates, dropping the "everyone has to make their own decision" mantra, should say to Sale, "hey, it's playoff time and we cannot afford any slip-ups. Please get the shot". If a manager and a key player went to him with that, it might persuade him. But baseball clubhouses have a funny dynamic due to the proximity of the players and coaches and duration of the season. I think there's a lot of "live and let live" attitude.
Your post definitely beings in the other thread... It created strong emotions in me that I come to SoSH to avoid. I can read Facebook or Reddit if I want to be pissed off about the state of the world.
Somebody got banned from the site recently for similar "out of appropriate thread" posts. (Although that guy was being egregious)
With all of the info out there I can barely take this line of thinking form the average guy on the street, let alone a Major League baseball player who is tested often (daily?) and makes his living from an organization that should the best and most up to date info on this virus that is available. So either A), he and other some others are choosing to ignore team/league messaging on this issue or B) the team/league are doing a shitty job of getting this message to the players.
This is something that I and I suspect others struggle with. There is a sperate thread in V&N to discuss the Vax status of players and our opinions on that and related matters. We also have a couple of threads here in the main board that also feature covid in the thread title. Sometimes we see something that we want to respond to and at some point discussion broaches the point of does it belong here or in V&N. It's difficult to have these threads here and not veer into a position of crossing the line. Is it/would it be permissible to just continue covid conversation here as long as it doesn't bleed into other threads and it stays respectful?
On a positive note, the last case was Valdez on the 12th. So 7 days, as of today.
Assuming there's a testing protocol in place, that means there's likely not an active passing of infection back and forth in the dugout.
(Although, of course, any chowder-head might yuck it up on a day off and start this thing up all over again. But that holds true of any team, I suppose.)
Assuming there's a testing protocol in place, that means there's likely not an active passing of infection back and forth in the dugout.
(Although, of course, any chowder-head might yuck it up on a day off and start this thing up all over again. But that holds true of any team, I suppose.)
It certainly seems like the outbreak is over and most of the important players are back and have shaken off any rust. It's a good spot for the team to find itself with a 1.5 game Wild Card lead with 12 to play.
This is a perfect illustration of the reason that we are so adamant about keeping social issues and politics out of all discussions outside of V&N. This is supposed to be a sports discussion board. A respite from the stress of life. We have given people an outlet in V&N to discuss the other aspects of this fucking shitshow. People need to get the message now or the banning mentioned above will not be the last.
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