I don't disagree with anything
I was just curious if given the situation with the Sox if MLB has issued some sort of no co-mingling edict as some sort of preventative/proactive measure.
Now it's Sale's turn: Sale has COVID, will not start Sunday (9/10 update)
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Santana tested negative. He just doesn't feel well. That's a bit of a relief given he's only been back for 3-4 days and wasn't around for the initial exposure/outbreak.
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So the Red Sox have been undone by their lack of plate discipline off the field, too.
It wasn't just about "pitching innings" I was responding to the idea that if the Sox werent so totally stupid, they'd not have pitched Seabold in worcester and thus he'd have been there to start today.
Yea it's more like, the Sox need pitching, rosters expanded and you leave your best pitcher at AAA to toss 6 innings.
Bring him up and use him every 2-3 days for 4-6 batters like they did with Whitlock this year
It's not like they expected him to be a starter down the stretch for the big club with numerous days off
More hindsight on my part, but in his post game Crawford said that he was scratched a few days ago in anticipation of something like this happening. Why not push that train of thought down the line? When Friday rolls around, name Crawford your starter in WOOster for Saturday and then push back Seabold for a couple of days.
Seabold missed a bunch of time this season and has only thrown 48 innings after no competitive innings last year. Perhaps they're more concerned with getting him as many regularly scheduled innings as they can to build toward next season and beyond. Perhaps if he hadn't missed that time, it would be a different story right now.
They didn't do that with Whitlock because they thought he'd be this good, they did it because he had to be on the roster all year or they had to offer him back
I feel the Sox should (and will eventually) use Seabold in a structured relief role every 2-3 days for 4-6 batters this season. Which was similar to how the Sox used Whitlock this season (who also was coming off TJ surgery). Yes, some relief pitching can be scheduled, it's not ALL random
Nobody thought GW would be this good and has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. It was strictly about use of young pitching coming back from TJ
Red feels they are potentially building Seabold for next season and beyond by having him pitch scheduled starts at AAA
It does because the reason he's being used in this role is because he's been so good. You think if he had a 5 era that they'd be using him for 4-6 batters twice a week just to give him a structured role?
Thanks for misrepresenting what I said.
Everyone had a reduced work load last year, and they've made no secret that they're easing guys into building back up to more normal 162-game season workloads. Why should a guy who threw zero competitive innings and has yet to pitch at all in the major leagues be any different? If they feel the best course of action for Seabold to be best prepared for 2022 is getting to 75-80 innings pitched in Worcester rather than 60-65 total innings by relieving in Boston, so what?
Perhaps the bottom line is that they don't think Seabold is ready for the majors. This is Duran all over again. People wants him up yesterday because, dammit, he could be contributing to the big league team and the front office are a bunch of idiots for holding him off. Duran has had little impact since his call-up. Maybe they think Seabold would be of similar help?
Whitlock has been used in this role since day 1 of this season, actually since the pre-season. Not once have they used him in back-to-back games this season. His use has been monitored. They did that to ease him back into pitching after being out last season with TJ.
If GW had a 5+ ERA he would have been cut or put on the DL with an injury, like they've done with Rule 5 guys before him.
https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/red-sox/is-connor-seabold-the-red-sox-latest-secret-weapon
How the heck did I misrepresent you? I quoted your post, then reiterated word for word with what you said?
Now you feel "PERHAPS" it could be Duran all over again? Agreed there could be plenty of reasons Seabold is not up. That's fine, you can have that stance. BUT I certainly didn't take what you said out of context.
I hate this thread. Every time I see a new post, it’s oh crap. (And I realize this post inspired the same feeling in several others).
Maybe find a way to update the title with the latest to hit the COVID IL? I hope to see Santana for a while.
Maybe find a way to update the title with the latest to hit the COVID IL? I hope to see Santana for a while.
Josh Taylor may be activated today per Ian Browne. Kike is also back with the team, but not yet activated.
View: https://twitter.com/IanMBrowne/status/1434887571000242179
View: https://twitter.com/IanMBrowne/status/1434887571000242179
It's 10 days since the positive test (and a negative test or two) to be come eligible, right?
For example, Bogie definitely had his test on the 31st, the day he got pulled from the game. So, he should be able to play on the 10th.
When was Kike's test?
For example, Bogie definitely had his test on the 31st, the day he got pulled from the game. So, he should be able to play on the 10th.
When was Kike's test?
There is an additional test that they must clear before activation. MLB has called for players to be tested for Myocarditis before they're given the go ahead to return. I'm not 100%, but that may be the hold up with Kike's return.
Do players have to be immediately activated after they clear protocol? Can they be sent on a rehab assignment, to get a handful of AB/IP in before they're brought back?
Competent center fielder needed pronto. Don't care if he bats zero for 2-3 games.
I'm just gonna update this as we go. Moves are now by transaction date, actual games played the player missed noted in parens on return. (This may capture a normal off day or two.)
Gone and Back.
Active Callups and Returns from Covid:
Gone and Back.
Christian Arroyo: Aug 27 (+ test) (more severe symptoms than others per Cora on 9/7)
Enrique Hernandez: Aug. 27 (+ test)
return: Sept. 7 (missed 11 games)
Martin Perez: Aug. 30 (+ test)
Matt Barnes: Aug. 30 (+ test)
Josh Taylor: Aug. 31 (? test - 7 day minimum for a close contact.)
return: Sept 6. (missed 7 games)
Hirokazu Sawamura: Aug. 31 (+ test)
Xander Boegarts: Sept 1. (+ test)
Yario Munoz: Sept 1. (+ test)
Jarod Durran: Sept. 3 (+ test - symptoms before test)
Nick Pivetta: Sept 5. (+ test)
Danny "Power and Speed" Santanner: Sept 5. (Negative test, but fielding poorly)
return: Sept. 7 (missed 2 games)
Total 10 Covid-impacted players. And maybe Santana.
Active Callups and Returns from Covid:
J. Arauz: Aug. 27
Yario Munoz: Aug. 27
(Covid on 9/1)
Phillips Valdez: Aug. 30
Raynel Espinal: Aug. 30
(down 8/31)
Stephen Gonsalves: Aug. 31
Brad Peacock: Aug. 31
(Renfroe returns from bereavement leave: 8/31)
Roster Expansion 9/1 to 28 playersJohn Schreiber: Sept. 1
(down on 9/6)
Jack Lopez: Sept. 1
(down on 9/6)
Danny "Power and Speed" Santanner: Sept. 1
(Covid ? on 9/5)
returned on 9/7
Ryan Brasier: Sept. 1
Connor Wong: Sept. 3
(down on 9/4)
Taylor Motter: Sept 4 (claimed off waivers from Rockies 9/2)
(DFA 9/7)
Kutter Crawford: Sept. 5
(down on 9/6)
Franchy Cordero: Sept. 5
(down on 9/7)
Josh Taylor: Sept. 6 (return from Covid close contact)
Michael Feliz: Sept. 6 (free agent - released by Reds 8/25)
Jose Iglesias: Sept. 6 (free agent - released by Angels 9/3)
Enrique Hernandez: Sept. 7 (return from Covid, + test)
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Pivetta confirmed positive per numerous writers on Twitter on the Zoom call with Cora today. Looks like you need to update your list @Rovin Romine
Updated.
Also, lurkers not yet posting, shall think themselves uncool they were not here, and hold their gamethreads lame, while any posts who groaned with us through the Motter Era.
Updated. Hopefully the color code helps pick the eye pick out who is out, who is up, and who is gone.
From Red Sox MLB site:
SS Xander Bogaerts
Expected return: Upcoming road trip
By the sounds of things, Bogaerts has been nearly symptom-free since his positive test for COVID-19 on Aug. 31. He is expected to meet the Red Sox in Chicago for the opening of the series against the White Sox on Friday. It remains to be seen how quickly he will be cleared to play.
“Xander, probably he doesn't need much [of a ramp-up period],” said Red Sox manager Alex Cora. “He's been doing a lot of sit-ups and pushups, and he should be physically OK. We'll talk about it and go from there. It's not that easy a decision, because we want these guys to be right, that's the most important thing. When we see them, we'll sit down with the coaching staff, obviously the medical staff, and decide what we're going to do.” (Last updated: Sept. 8)
RHP Nick Pivetta
Expected return: TBD
Pivetta is vaccinated, so there is a small chance he will be cleared to make his start on Saturday in Chicago against the White Sox. It seems more likely he’ll return either in Seattle or during the homestand that starts on Sept. 17. After a couple of days of inconclusive test results, the Red Sox finally announced on Sept. 7 that Pivetta tested positive. Look for righty Connor Seabold, the team’s No. 13 prospect as rated by MLB Pipeline, to get the start on Saturday if Pivetta is a no-go. (Last updated: Sept. 8)
INF Christian Arroyo
Expected return: TBD
Arroyo has been hit the hardest of the nine Red Sox players who tested positive in recent weeks. Though he’s back in Boston after being quarantined in Cleveland for close to two weeks, there’s no word yet on when he will be able to play or if he will accompany the team to Chicago.
“Christian has a few doctor's appointments,” said manager Alex Cora. “He got hit pretty hard. It was kind of like Kiké [Hernández], but with a few extra days. We'll see where we go with that.” (Last updated: Sept. 8)
SS Xander Bogaerts
Expected return: Upcoming road trip
By the sounds of things, Bogaerts has been nearly symptom-free since his positive test for COVID-19 on Aug. 31. He is expected to meet the Red Sox in Chicago for the opening of the series against the White Sox on Friday. It remains to be seen how quickly he will be cleared to play.
“Xander, probably he doesn't need much [of a ramp-up period],” said Red Sox manager Alex Cora. “He's been doing a lot of sit-ups and pushups, and he should be physically OK. We'll talk about it and go from there. It's not that easy a decision, because we want these guys to be right, that's the most important thing. When we see them, we'll sit down with the coaching staff, obviously the medical staff, and decide what we're going to do.” (Last updated: Sept. 8)
RHP Nick Pivetta
Expected return: TBD
Pivetta is vaccinated, so there is a small chance he will be cleared to make his start on Saturday in Chicago against the White Sox. It seems more likely he’ll return either in Seattle or during the homestand that starts on Sept. 17. After a couple of days of inconclusive test results, the Red Sox finally announced on Sept. 7 that Pivetta tested positive. Look for righty Connor Seabold, the team’s No. 13 prospect as rated by MLB Pipeline, to get the start on Saturday if Pivetta is a no-go. (Last updated: Sept. 8)
INF Christian Arroyo
Expected return: TBD
Arroyo has been hit the hardest of the nine Red Sox players who tested positive in recent weeks. Though he’s back in Boston after being quarantined in Cleveland for close to two weeks, there’s no word yet on when he will be able to play or if he will accompany the team to Chicago.
“Christian has a few doctor's appointments,” said manager Alex Cora. “He got hit pretty hard. It was kind of like Kiké [Hernández], but with a few extra days. We'll see where we go with that.” (Last updated: Sept. 8)
I wonder where Renfroe heard that. He's certainly not talking to "MLB." It's possible, because Manfred, but I think he mis-heard or only heard part of something.
More (potential) reinforcements on the way.
View: https://twitter.com/JoeyMacHockey/status/1436025326124113923
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They've been traveling with a 3-4 man taxi squad all season. Other than Seabold possibly taking the start on Saturday (wouldn't rule out another Peacock/bullpen game though), none of these guys are likely to be activated unless someone else ends up on the COVID IL.
Ya, I'm aware of the taxi squad and how it works which is why I said potentially.
They could certainly DFA Peacock at any time if they think Ort could help them. I think he's just there in case of a blowout.
The other two are break glass in case of emergency.
I heard a bit of that radio segment. He said MLB stopped testing on vaccinated players which blew up when a breakthrough case with such a player (Hernandez) arose.
I am aware that gamethreading on the main board is discouraged.
But I feel the only substantive response to this can be WTF?
Mother fucker.
This is his second time. He had it back in the spring, which delayed his rehab by a few weeks.
This is his second time. He had it back in the spring, which delayed his rehab by a few weeks.
2 out of the rotation now. This feels like a back-breaker with the upcoming schedule. Maybe he's back for the soft last week?
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