OBJ signs with LA Rams. Wait, maybe the Packers... no it is the Rams.
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I'm sure Sean Payton has gigabytes of very persuasive PowerPoints on why Taysom Hill is amazing.
Dov hates the Patriots so I'm not surprised whenever he takes a dig at them.
I expect Mahomes to bounce back at some point, just like everyone else does, but KC for the rest of this season seems odd considering how much of a dumpster fire their losses have been. If this were the off-season and he were weighing multi-year deals, yeah I would think they'd be atop the list. But if this his "make a run and convince people to pay me" signing, I don't see him loving life there.
That's pretty good, actually. Arians may be a little past his expiration date, I think, but he has his moments.
Can anyone clarify the $ talk?
Now that OBJ cleared waivers any new contract he signs will be offset against the $7.25M from Cleveland right? So unless he beats $7.25M this year it doesn’t matter to him I assume….
Is he looking for guarantees next year and potentially beyond? I assumed he wants an image re-build half season more than anything else and to re enter the market. But perhaps not?
I’m all about the buy-low flier. But I’m less excited about any sort of commitment right now beyond this season.
Now that OBJ cleared waivers any new contract he signs will be offset against the $7.25M from Cleveland right? So unless he beats $7.25M this year it doesn’t matter to him I assume….
Is he looking for guarantees next year and potentially beyond? I assumed he wants an image re-build half season more than anything else and to re enter the market. But perhaps not?
I’m all about the buy-low flier. But I’m less excited about any sort of commitment right now beyond this season.
I believe he walked away from Cleveland with $4 million or so in his pocket of the $7.25 million when he was not claimed. That's on top of the money he's already made this year.
If he signs a 1/3M contract now does he make more money this year than if he signs 1/2M?
I perhaps falsely thought it would always offset (up to 7.25M) and it was just less money the Browns end up paying.
SOURCE: Mystery team is the Ravens
"Source" is another poster, who told me that Vegas has the Ravens interested
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Beckham agreed to reduce his termination pay to $4.25 million by converting $3 million of the $7.25 million on his deal to a roster bonus due this week. When he went unclaimed, the Browns only owed him the $4.25 million instead of the $7.25 million.
https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/obj-watch-browns-to-release-wr.35060/page-6#post-4730658
Gotcha. So I guess the $ this season and salary cap space does matter.
I was incorrectly under the assumption that cap space only mattered if teams wants to claim him.
For teams claiming him, yes the cap space matters. OBJ just did the Browns a solid on the actual cash owed to him if he went unclaimed.
I don't see the appeal of the Patriots from OBJ's perspective.
There are teams with more established QBs and much more pass heavy offenses interested. Also, NE has a rep as a hard offense for a WR to hit the ground running in (that may have changed). Some of the other places just make more sense in terms of some or all of:
1. Established top QBs
2. Pass heavy offenses that create more opportunities for him
3. Better playoff odds.
4. No weather concern games
There are teams with more established QBs and much more pass heavy offenses interested. Also, NE has a rep as a hard offense for a WR to hit the ground running in (that may have changed). Some of the other places just make more sense in terms of some or all of:
1. Established top QBs
2. Pass heavy offenses that create more opportunities for him
3. Better playoff odds.
4. No weather concern games
All fair points but Pats would offer opportunity to be an alpha dog and the potential for disproportionate credit if things go well, which could appeal to him.
But he could definitely be reticent to join a run-heavy Pats team after his experience with the run-heavy Browns.
I think it’s a tough sell vs. KC or GB if the money is comparable.
Yeah, in particular KC and GB are clearly superior options for OBJ’s personal objectives. He may love BB, and there will be some benefit to showing he can do well in the Pats system, but he can be very sure he will see a good deal of targets in GB and KC due to their respective lack of WR/TE depth, if not top level quality, and having elite QBs who will throw a ton.
I get that, but the claiming issue is in the past. No one claimed him.
But you seem to be saying any contract he signs now will be on top of the Brown $ rather than offset.
In that case, amount of cap space still matters. Teams that can only offer the minimum are at a disadvantage.
Play? Not much longer, if at all. "The play this week" ship may have sailed. He needs to be on a roster by Saturday at 4:00 in order to be paid for the week, though.
I had ruled out the Seahawks given that they seem to be going nowhere in addition to having fewer targets for him than GB/KC/NE/NO. But looking at the standings, while they have 0 chance at the division, not crazy at all to see them as a likely wildcard even at 3-5 right now.
In regards to this, as a poster said earlier, KC passes...a lot.
After them though Patriots pass as much as any of the other teams mentioned.
KC averages 42 att/gm and 281 yds/gm
Patriots: 34.1/238
GB:32.2/223
NO: 29.6/192
Sea: 27.5/237
Teams could structure it so some of the cap money hits next year. One scenario posted earlier suggested similar to how the Pats structured Revis' contract with 2nd year that would never happen.
I think almost all the teams interested have roughly the same amount of cap space i.e. not much. It has been reported that GB only is offering the vet minimum which is all NO can afford as well. Chiefs have just over $3 million in cap space. Seattle has $13 million which would give them a big advantage.
We're 24th in pass rate, we're not a pass heavy offense, we just played a few games that skewed total possessions.
Seattle passes even less (25th) though I think they'd be above us without the Geno games, GB is 19th, New Orleans is 30th.
I don't think it's a huge negative, but it isn't a positive, and given the other situations mostly have top QBs, you need some positives to get him here, easier to sell medium level opportunities from ROdgers and Wilson than a rookie.
Falcons are currently IN the playoffs at 4-4. Seattle is definitely still in it. I am just not sure if that team is good enough, even with Russ.
Unless you sell OBJ on the notion that he's the missing ingredient to change those numbers. I don't know, I'm just spitballing.
If I'm OBJ I'm looking at targets (after QB) but yes didn't mean to imply it was positive just putting some numbers to it and show that they are comparable to other teams mentioned with the exception of KC.
I do think KC or GB makes the most sense and are likely favorites by a wide margin.
I think the Patriots make more sense for Beckham as a free agent in the spring. Bill will still be here and there will be more of a sample on Jones and what the teams potential is with him. In the present, Jones and the future is pretty unknown.
For a half season run to rebuild free agent value, it's gotta be KC or GB.
For a half season run to rebuild free agent value, it's gotta be KC or GB.
This may have been noted pages ago - is there an actual deadline he has to make a decision by? Not just for a week but for the season.
For this week, Saturday. For the season? BB pointed out that James Harrison was signed in the last week and then was getting snaps in the SB.
I believe he has to sign today if he wants to get paid by said team this week.
I feel like it lacks info, lol. Like writing the whole email in the subject line.
(I did not do it)
I have to learn to read faster. I saw OBJ and 2 year deal with Patriots but then I read the whole thing and chuckled.
Is there a separate thread for speculating on flights out of Cleveland or am I in the right one?
I would be selling OBJ on him being a pseudo-replacement for Edelman. Different positions, but the playmaker RAC guy in this offense that teams have to gameplan for and that makes this offense go.
Agholor and Bourne and Meyers are good complementary pieces, but this offense has really missed having Jules as a guy that they could gameplan with, and that other team’s had to worry about. I would be pitching OBJ on him being that kind of guy — and helping to lead this team into a deep postseason with a great defense, the best coaching staff in history, and a solid rookie QB whois accurate and can get him the rock.
Agholor and Bourne and Meyers are good complementary pieces, but this offense has really missed having Jules as a guy that they could gameplan with, and that other team’s had to worry about. I would be pitching OBJ on him being that kind of guy — and helping to lead this team into a deep postseason with a great defense, the best coaching staff in history, and a solid rookie QB whois accurate and can get him the rock.
Which one, the insect, juice or Bailey?
However, I heard he is not a fan of the band "The Beatles".