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I actually think the Cs would be thrilled to get JB signed to a max contract. It looks like when the stupid money from the new tv deal goes into effect, the cap could jump like 40% in 2025. Any of the younger guys signing max deals the next few years will be considered huge steals in a few years
The agents know the cap is going up too, there must be a way for them plan accordingly?
 

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I don’t see any reason why the Celtics would let this go into the season. It would be too distracting for a team that is already quite good. Either get it done now or bow out. A lot more risk for the Nets to let this go on beyond the summer. They may ultimately get their price or they might not.
 

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"The Boston Celtics recently offered a package around one-time All Star Jaylen Brown for Durant and have emerged as a real threat to acquire Durant, league sources tell The Athletic."

https://theathletic.com/3446562/2022/07/25/celtics-offer-jaylen-brown-package-for-kevin-durant-the-latest-on-donovan-mitchell-and-more-inside-pass/
Sorry, poor choice of the word "recent." When I said "recent" I meant in the near past - last couple of days? I'm sure BOS and NJ talked about frameworks when KD first announced - I mean there were reports that BOS and NJ spoke then - but I'm skeptical that BOS has put a formal "offer" on the table over the last couple of days.

And I say that because even Shams says that discussions have "slowed down." IMO, Shams is reporting about things that happened when KD first announced, not that has happened in past few or several days. (Avoiding the word "recent" here.)
 

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Not buying Windhorst over Woj/Shams.
Agree with posters above, but I'll also add that Woj was trying to peddle that the Harden trade was dead the day before the deadline because he was carrying Brooklyn's water. Windhorst came out with the correct report, saying that the trade was still active, at around the same time. If anything here, Windhorst is the person doing actual reporting while Woj is just a PR distro list at this point.
 

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You are assuming the specifics are correct and weren't made up. A third team could have leaked a fake trade proposal.
Would be too easy for The Celtics to say there’s absolutely no truth to that fake rumor. Wouldn’t work. It’s most likely the Nets, either to drive up the price on a different team, get Boston to increase their offer, or show KD that he needs to suck is up and play in Brooklyn.
 

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There are no good and bad sources among the top NBA news guys, they just get their info different places.
Woj clearly got this from BRK, and Windhorst likely got his info from either BOS or an agent.
BRK is likely trying to get best and final offers, before they decide whether to keep Durant or move him. This is basically a signal to PHX... "you need all your guys in" and TOR "Scottie Barnes is how you beat a Jaylen offer", etc.
 

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There are no good and bad sources among the top NBA news guys, they just get their info different places.
Woj clearly got this from BRK, and Windhorst likely got his info from either BOS or an agent.
BRK is likely trying to get best and final offers, before they decide whether to keep Durant or move him. This is basically a signal to PHX... "you need all your guys in" and TOR "Scottie Barnes is how you beat a Jaylen offer", etc.
Phoenix is out because they can't trade Ayton until 1/15.

I'd say the final four teams are Boston, New Orleans, Miami, and Toronto.
 

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I think all of these teams call BKN’s bluff to keep KD unless they get an exorbitant return. Their worlds won’t end if they need to stick with the status quo, and at a certain point a package for Durant could be so expensive that it puts you in a similar position BKN was just in where you just don’t have enough good players around your cornerstone guys, or paths to acquire them.
 

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Phoenix is out because they can't trade Ayton until 1/15.

I'd say the final four teams are Boston, New Orleans, Miami, and Toronto.
Toronto is the team to look out for. NO doesn't seem quite there even with Durant to make it worth giving up a huge deal, and Miami just doesn't have enough because they can't trade Bam to Brooklyn. If Brooklyn moves Simmons separately, first, that watch out for the Heat.
 

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Toronto is the team to look out for. NO doesn't seem quite there even with Durant to make it worth giving up a huge deal, and Miami just doesn't have enough because they can't trade Bam to Brooklyn. If Brooklyn moves Simmons separately, first, that watch out for the Heat.
If Simmons goes before KD, I think that’s a big sign of a Miami deal. But I can’t imagine a max deal for a guy who hasn’t played in over a year is a big priority for most teams.

Ultimately, I see this boiling down to Toronto vs. Boston. The Celtics have the top offer if Jaylen is involved. If Toronto offers Barnes, I think they lead because he’s younger and cheaper and has more years of control.

The fact that the Celtics have had all day to issue a denial and haven’t leads me to believe that this is real and they are very interested.
 

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The fact that the Celtics have had all day to issue a denial and haven’t leads me to believe that this is real and they are very interested.
Usually, I tend to agree with this type of statement but since the Durant trade talks have had so many moving parts and change so rapidly, it's possible the Celtics are just saying "this too will pass, why bother feeding the beast?"
 

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Toronto is the team to look out for. NO doesn't seem quite there even with Durant to make it worth giving up a huge deal, and Miami just doesn't have enough because they can't trade Bam to Brooklyn. If Brooklyn moves Simmons separately, first, that watch out for the Heat.
Even adding KD is Toronto a 4 seed or above?

He knows Boston is a very likely trip to The Finals barring injury.
 

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Usually, I tend to agree with this type of statement but since the Durant trade talks have had so many moving parts and change so rapidly, it's possible the Celtics are just saying "this too will pass, why bother feeding the beast?"
It's possible they have reached to Jaylen privately and we don't know about it. But given the nature of the NBA today where keeping players happy is paramount (and good for the players for having that power), if they really have no intention of trading Jaylen for KD and are just ignoring it, that seems like a mistake.
 

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It's possible they have reached to Jaylen privately and we don't know about it. But given the nature of the NBA today where keeping players happy is paramount (and good for the players for having that power), if they really have no intention of trading Jaylen for KD and are just ignoring it, that seems like a mistake.
I should have been more clear. It's very possible they reached out to Brown and told him we aren't going to bother responding to it
 

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I should have been more clear. It's very possible they reached out to Brown and told him we aren't going to bother responding to it
Certainly possible but I think you’d also want to signal to fans to keep buying Jaylen jerseys, for instance.
 

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Phoenix is out because they can't trade Ayton until 1/15.

I'd say the final four teams are Boston, New Orleans, Miami, and Toronto.
I don't think BKN ever had interest in Ayton they want Booker (but yes forgot he's not eligible), Pelicans could be used in that space.
 

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It's possible they have reached to Jaylen privately and we don't know about it. But given the nature of the NBA today where keeping players happy is paramount (and good for the players for having that power), if they really have no intention of trading Jaylen for KD and are just ignoring it, that seems like a mistake.
“Jaylen, you aren’t going anywhere, but we see value in letting Toronto and Miami believe that offer+ is on the table for now so we aren’t going to publicly dispute it. You okay with that?”

No idea if anything like that actually happens, but it’s a thought.
 

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Even adding KD is Toronto a 4 seed or above?

He knows Boston is a very likely trip to The Finals barring injury.
TOR was only 3 games out of the 2 seed last year. Adding KD is worth several wins, so yes, if they ship out Barnes and other fungible players, they are a top 4 seed for sure
This, plus Toronto is VERY young. Their top 6 guys in minutes played last year (Barnes, Siakam, VanVleet, Trent, OG, Precious) were all 27 and under, with an average age of 23.8. They're missing that top 10 guy (Siakam is good but unlikely to get much higher than 15-20), but if Barnes can be that player in a few years, they will be in very good shape.
 

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If Simmons goes before KD, I think that’s a big sign of a Miami deal. But I can’t imagine a max deal for a guy who hasn’t played in over a year is a big priority for most teams.

Ultimately, I see this boiling down to Toronto vs. Boston. The Celtics have the top offer if Jaylen is involved. If Toronto offers Barnes, I think they lead because he’s younger and cheaper and has more years of control.

The fact that the Celtics have had all day to issue a denial and haven’t leads me to believe that this is real and they are very interested.
My guess was this was a leak from Brooklyn to try and drive the price up for Toronto. Siakam and 1sts isn’t enough, we want Siakam/Anunoby and 1sts.
 

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My guess was this was a leak from Brooklyn to try and drive the price up for Toronto. Siakam and 1sts isn’t enough, we want Siakam/Anunoby and 1sts.
Sounds like Barnes may be their guy. He makes a lot of sense for a rebuilding team like Brooklyn.
 

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Sounds like Barnes may be their guy. He makes a lot of sense for a rebuilding team like Brooklyn.
If Barnes is in, the deal gets done fast, and probably without tons of picks. You have 8 more years of team control plus the upside of his being 20.

I don't think Toronto is at all inclined to move him.
 

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One reaction to the JB for KD story out of FL: Now it gets real for Heat regarding Bam in a KD trade.

Monday was the latest example of how nothing has to be said for messages to resonate.
Think Boston Celtics president Brad Stevens wants to deal with the fallout if Jaylen Brown is not moved in a trade with the Nets? That could be even stickier than the impending Deandre Ayton reunion with the Phoenix Suns after his free-agency fiasco.
But there is little doubt that Nets general manager Sean Marks couldn’t be more delighted.
The bar is now set after the dueling and closely timed reports from ESPN and The Athletic regarding the Celtics’ willingness to include Brown in a package for Durant.
So there it is, said, without being said, by Marks: Put forward a recent All-Star, and then we’ll talk. Brown was an All-Star in 2021, Adebayo in 2020. Each has worn the designation once.
This is how it’s done, how NBA trade tables are set.
All the more reason why it is most likely that the stories were prompted by a party that is trying to get trade talks restarted, not by teams that are waiting for the price to fall.
 

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Sounds like Barnes may be their guy. He makes a lot of sense for a rebuilding team like Brooklyn.
Brooklyn isn't trying to rebuild though. They have Kyrie, Simmons, Durant's trade package, and several good role players. But most importantly, none of their own picks - which makes being bad not a very attractive option
 

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Brooklyn isn't trying to rebuild though. They have Kyrie, Simmons, Durant's trade package, and several good role players. But most importantly, none of their own picks - which makes being bad not a very attractive option
They’re not looking for a complete tear down but I would classify it at a rebuild or retooling. Kyrie is a non-asset and a gigantic flake at this point. Simmons hasn’t played in over a year. They need someone foundational who isn’t a gigantic question mark to be part of the next Nets team, which is why I’m sure they’d love Barnes.

They have zero incentive to be bad but I think they are completely rebuilding their team, especially if Kyrie leaves to chase butterflies or forces his way out. You simply cannot rely on him or Simmons at this point.
 

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Brooklyn isn't trying to rebuild though. They have Kyrie, Simmons, Durant's trade package, and several good role players. But most importantly, none of their own picks - which makes being bad not a very attractive option
A Barnes package kind of has to be a win now package, too, to some extent.

KD makes $44.1m & Barnes $7.6m. For a trade to happen, it would have to either include Siakam ($35.4m) or 2 of Van Vleet ($21.3m), Trent ($17.5m), & Anunoby ($17.4m).

The 2 main issues I see is are the Raptors champion level if they give up what they need to in salary, & the fit between Barnes & Simmons.
 

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Yeah, I phrased my comment poorly. I didn't mean to imply either of them are not smart or not above average IQ.

Just clumsily wondering if Jaylen is a smart guy prone to weird conspiracy theories or other strange beliefs like Kyrie.

Plenty of doctors unfortunately are "smart" and yet still anti-vax or have other odd thoughts.
Yeah, about that:
Jaylen: "You know, I just felt like, just for everybody, things was about to shift. You know at certain times of the year, it actually was a retrograde, which means, like, planets are spinning in the opposite direction, for people who believe in that type of stuff. And I know, at that moment, the energy was about to change. So I tweeted it out, and we went on a winning streak."
View: https://streamable.com/ujj90p

It's crazy that planets have the ability to start revolving around the sun in the opposite direction. Where does all of the energy come from to change their direction like that? It's no wonder that they can have such an influence on our daily lives.
 
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Too bad Jaylen missed the heyday of Darryl Martini (sp?), aka the Cosmic Muffin, when Mercury was in retrograde.
 

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If Miami is destined to get Durant, anyway for the C's to get Bam? Would you want him?
Are you willing to give up Brown for him? I think that is the only way. Not sure who needs to add in a deal. Brown is better, Bam has 2 extra years on contract, and I do think years left on contract is a big impact on value, especially when they are good (value and prime), and given the contract which seems to screw whoever has his rights when he becomes a FA

That's the only way I could see Boston getting Bam. is in a 3 team deal, since Bam apparently can't go to NJ as long as they have Simmons.
 

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If Simmons goes before KD, I think that’s a big sign of a Miami deal. But I can’t imagine a max deal for a guy who hasn’t played in over a year is a big priority for most teams.

Ultimately, I see this boiling down to Toronto vs. Boston. The Celtics have the top offer if Jaylen is involved. If Toronto offers Barnes, I think they lead because he’s younger and cheaper and has more years of control.

The fact that the Celtics have had all day to issue a denial and haven’t leads me to believe that this is real and they are very interested.
Agree with all this. It would be GM malpractice if we had arguably the best package for one of the games best players who is locked into a long-term deal and weren’t interested. To me, as much of a Jaylen guy as I’ve been since his college days, he’s been rolled into being Tatum’s Antoine to Pierce. Last years run was great but even going back pre-deadline it always appeared that Jaylen wasn’t long for this partnership.

If Brad can get this done without losing Smart (or obv TL) he’s made us the favorites to win a title. What Is the goal here?
 

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Are you willing to give up Brown for him? I think that is the only way. Not sure who needs to add in a deal. Brown is better, Bam has 2 extra years on contract, and I do think years left on contract is a big impact on value, especially when they are good (value and prime), and given the contract which seems to screw whoever has his rights when he becomes a FA

That's the only way I could see Boston getting Bam. is in a 3 team deal, since Bam apparently can't go to NJ as long as they have Simmons.
That would be awful from a team construction standpoint unless we could get a good wing for Horford.
 

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Reading about stuff like this, concussion water, etc. makes me respect Lebron more and more every single day.
In the FWIW department, astrological gobbleygook such as retrograde planets is indeed a thing among so-called "elite" social circles in places like NYC, LA, etc.

EDIT: And there is no way I would be entertaining a trade of Brown for Bam.
 

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In the FWIW department, astrological gobbleygook such as retrograde planets is indeed a thing among so-called "elite" social circles in places like NYC, LA, etc.
Trust me brother, I've received the "so you're a scientist.. did you know?" opener far too often for my liking.
 

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Are you willing to give up Brown for him? I think that is the only way. Not sure who needs to add in a deal. Brown is better, Bam has 2 extra years on contract, and I do think years left on contract is a big impact on value, especially when they are good (value and prime), and given the contract which seems to screw whoever has his rights when he becomes a FA

That's the only way I could see Boston getting Bam. is in a 3 team deal, since Bam apparently can't go to NJ as long as they have Simmons.
Bam and JB are very close in value, with Bam a more rare commodity, in that he’s a rim defending big that can run offense and score. Bam is probably better as a positional fit with Tatum, who could just increase his scoring with JB replaced by a less explosive scoring wing. Bam’s fit with TL would be interesting, but he can function much like AL has with TL, with more athleticism, rim defense, rebounding, passing, but not the floor stretching.

Boston would be much tougher defensively in the paint, and if Brogdon is healthy, not lose too much perimeter defense, especially if they don’t have to put White in a deal.
 

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Very good article in the Athletic about the payroll issues the Warriors are about to have. At the end of next season, Wiggins is a UFA, Poole is an RFA, and Draymond can opt out of the final year of his deal and be a UFA. They're all eligible for extensions starting next month.

The Warriors are hugely over the cap and won't give everyone a max contract, so they are in a bind.

https://theathletic.com/3452144/2022/07/27/warriors-contracts-nba-free-agents?source=user-shared-article
Everything Warriors begins and ends with Steph Curry.

One of Moody, Wiseman, and Kuminga will pop to make 1 or 2 of the 4 players expendable which means their tax bill will be 2022-like at worse.
 

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Very good article in the Athletic about the payroll issues the Warriors are about to have. At the end of next season, Wiggins is a UFA, Poole is an RFA, and Draymond can opt out of the final year of his deal and be a UFA. They're all eligible for extensions starting next month.

The Warriors are hugely over the cap and won't give everyone a max contract, so they are in a bind.

https://theathletic.com/3452144/2022/07/27/warriors-contracts-nba-free-agents?source=user-shared-article
True, and I think it is likely they will lose Poole with moody to replace him. Moody may not be as explosive a scorer, but may be a better all around player

Draymond is looking like a pay cut scenario, I can't see anyone giving him the 27+ million for his mid/late 30s season, especially where there were times in the playoffs he struggled badly.

Thompson is another player who I guess we will have to see this year, but was not a max contract player last year. I don't see him getting a raise over 37 mil a year for his mid to late 30s seasons.

So I think it is very likely they both stay at reduced contracts.

Wiggins is gonna get paid.

So in the end I think they keep 3, and it will cost less than the 4 make today
 

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Everything Warriors begins and ends with Steph Curry.
And therein lies the issue.

Draymond thinks he's a max player.
Draymond is definitely not a max player going forward. Not even close.
Curry is a big believer in Draymond and keeping the "Big 3" together, so he may not be a huge fan of the Warriors threatening to let Draymond walk if Draymond keeps demanding a max deal.
Joe Lacob has gone from being wealthy to being obscenely wealthy thanks in large part to Steph, so him going to Steph and saying "we can't afford to keep Draymond" may be a tough sell.
There are going to have to be a lot of very sensitive conversations amongst the Warriors over the next few months to find a path that keeps almost everyone happy.

I can't wait for the league uproar when Draymond signs a team-friendly deal and his podcast suddenly gets a lot of new sponsors that happen to be companies Lacob invested in.
 

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And therein lies the issue.

Draymond thinks he's a max player.
Draymond is definitely not a max player going forward. Not even close.
Curry is a big believer in Draymond and keeping the "Big 3" together, so he may not be a huge fan of the Warriors threatening to let Draymond walk if Draymond keeps demanding a max deal.
Joe Lacob has gone from being wealthy to being obscenely wealthy thanks in large part to Steph, so him going to Steph and saying "we can't afford to keep Draymond" may be a tough sell.
There are going to have to be a lot of very sensitive conversations amongst the Warriors over the next few months to find a path that keeps almost everyone happy.

I can't wait for the league uproar when Draymond signs a team-friendly deal and his podcast suddenly gets a lot of new sponsors that happen to be companies Lacob invested in.
Is that allowed?!?
 

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And therein lies the issue.

Draymond thinks he's a max player.
Draymond is definitely not a max player going forward. Not even close.
Curry is a big believer in Draymond and keeping the "Big 3" together, so he may not be a huge fan of the Warriors threatening to let Draymond walk if Draymond keeps demanding a max deal.
Joe Lacob has gone from being wealthy to being obscenely wealthy thanks in large part to Steph, so him going to Steph and saying "we can't afford to keep Draymond" may be a tough sell.
There are going to have to be a lot of very sensitive conversations amongst the Warriors over the next few months to find a path that keeps almost everyone happy.

I can't wait for the league uproar when Draymond signs a team-friendly deal and his podcast suddenly gets a lot of new sponsors that happen to be companies Lacob invested in.
I get that but one of the biggest selling points for LA and NY traditionally in the NBA and all sports is the fact that signing there can lead to substantial increases in off court revenues