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DJnVa

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Their season starts around the same time as the NBA, so that's probably a better route for him--get some game action and some things on film
 

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And therein lies the issue.

Draymond thinks he's a max player.
Draymond is definitely not a max player going forward. Not even close.
Curry is a big believer in Draymond and keeping the "Big 3" together, so he may not be a huge fan of the Warriors threatening to let Draymond walk if Draymond keeps demanding a max deal.
Joe Lacob has gone from being wealthy to being obscenely wealthy thanks in large part to Steph, so him going to Steph and saying "we can't afford to keep Draymond" may be a tough sell.
There are going to have to be a lot of very sensitive conversations amongst the Warriors over the next few months to find a path that keeps almost everyone happy.

I can't wait for the league uproar when Draymond signs a team-friendly deal and his podcast suddenly gets a lot of new sponsors that happen to be companies Lacob invested in.
Here's what my crystal ball says:

They'll eventually pay Draymond above market rate but nowhere close to the max (Steph won't meddle)

Klay is chilled and won't be looking for an extension now

They'll keep one of Poole or Wiggins and turn the other into assets next year

One of Moody, Wiseman, and Kuminga will step up.

Warriors have little to no problems this summer, other than making their trophy case larger....
 

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GS has been an incredibly run franchise. and the owners have shown the willingness to spend. Locking up green at a Max seems like it would be a laughably silly decision
Except when Steph Curry says that The Big Three are a package deal. Then it becomes a lot less silly. It becomes the cost of doing business with Steph.
 

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Except when Steph Curry says that The Big Three are a package deal. Then it becomes a lot less silly. It becomes the cost of doing business with Steph.
Well it's still silly. Question for Steph becomes do you want a 3-4 year retirement tour, or do you want to continue to complete for titles.

Dray on the roster at a cost of 200+ million as he declined as a player means doing something like trading Wiggins for picks.

GS is well positioned to be competitive for titles through the end of Steph's career, but not if it prioritizes 2017 over 2025



If Steph wants to keep the band together maybe he should have the talk with Dray and tell him no one is giving him 40 mil for his mid to late 30's
 

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Well it's still silly. Question for Steph becomes do you want a 3-4 year retirement tour, or do you want to continue to complete for titles.

Dray on the roster at a cost of 200+ million as he declined as a player means doing something like trading Wiggins for picks.

GS is well positioned to be competitive for titles through the end of Steph's career, but not if it prioritizes 2017 over 2025

If Steph wants to keep the band together maybe he should have the talk with Dray and tell him no one is giving him 40 mil for his mid to late 30's
Dray saying that he wants a max...that's kind of brand management. I'm a max guy, I want a max deal, I've earned it. Not sure why that's controversial. It may be incorrect or bad cap management, but I'm not sure what harm this peacocking of his is causing. I guess what I'm saying is that we don't really know what conversations are happening behind closed doors with the full braintrust (which includes Steph obviously). I think that it may not be time to panic yet, if you're a dubs fan.
 

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Dray: I'm a max guy I'm totally worth the max.

Crickets: Making cricket noises as crickets are wont to do.

Warriors: Here's $20m.

Dray: Taking a huge discount because I'm a team guy.
 

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Dray: I'm a max guy I'm totally worth the max.

Crickets: Making cricket noises as crickets are wont to do.

Warriors: Here's $20m.

Dray: Taking a huge discount because I'm a team guy.
Ha, pretty much. I think that was kinda the deal with his last sub-max contract. And obviously, your market value tends not to increase as you head towards your mid 30s, with the specter of back problems.

Meanwhile, there’s been no actual Warriors news since their since they signed JaMychal Green. Or I guess, since they signed lacrosse legend Pat Spencer to an Exhibit 10 deal, if we want to get really granular. The contract status of all the main guys remains what it’s been for months or years. Steph is on the books for four more seasons, Loon for three, Klay for two, Dray for two with an opt-out after this season, Wiggs an unrestricted free agent next summer, Poole restricted. Etc.

Not a whole lot to see here, imo, other than guys like Anthony Slater and Marcus Thompson (understandably) trying to sell clicks during the fallow season for hoops news.
 
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Dray: I'm a max guy I'm totally worth the max.

Crickets: Making cricket noises as crickets are wont to do.

Warriors: Here's $20m.

Dray: Taking a huge discount because I'm a team guy.
This sounds about right. I can’t imagine Dray holding out for a max nor can I see the Warriors penny pinching to lose him. Green is going to get paid but no not the max.
 

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Former 1st round pick, he's 6'9 and played summer league with Utah.

He was MVP of the Brazilian league last season, averaging 23.9 points, 11.1 boards, and 3.6 blocks. It also says he hit 53.1% of his threes, but no idea on volume, but it can't be much.
 

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Former 1st round pick, he's 6'9 and played summer league with Utah.

He was MVP of the Brazilian league last season, averaging 23.9 points, 11.1 boards, and 3.6 blocks. It also says he hit 53.1% of his threes, but no idea on volume, but it can't be much.
34/64 in 9 games.
Shot 35% (30/67 in 19 games) in 2020-21 in the top French League
Only NBA season he got decent volume was 2018-19 with Memphis (34 games 19 starts 800 minutes) where he shot 37% (48/130).
 

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According to Google, 7'7" wingspan and 9'3" standing reach, so he plays a lot bigger than 6'9".

No idea if he's any good though.
He's six months away from being six months away.

From what I recall, great athlete and great worker but just has not been that good at the game of basketball.
 

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Crazy how these bigs tear up any other league but can't sniff an NBA court.

Maybe he's much improved.
He graded out as a negative on offense, but a positive on D the last few years he was in the NBA in DARKO and Raptor. Interestingly in the only year he got real burn (2018-19) Raptor had him around Harrison Barnes, Norm Powell, Wes Matthews and similar role players
 

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Fun article on Bruno that looks like it's from just before the 2015-16 season: https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/bruno-caboclo-the-long-game/. Everyone will be glad to know that

The Raptors coaches talk about the moment the light went on for Caboclo. It was at a camp in Vegas attended by top players from the Summer League the week following the NBA’s annual off-season tournament. Caboclo was one of the best players in attendance and continued his strong performance in a series of pickup games in Los Angeles at the Clippers’ practice facility. Playing alongside the likes of Chris Paul, Blake Griffin and Kevin Durant, Caboclo seemed in his element. He deflected passes, caught alley-oop lobs, nailed threes and pinned shots against the backboard. But for Engelbrecht, who was in attendance, the best part was seeing Caboclo interact with his fellow pros. “These guys know who he is! They’re like, ‘OK, the teams are me, Bruno, Blake, DeAndre,’” Engelbrecht says. “That’s his new normal. He’s not this mystery man anymore.”

Article also mentions that Caboclo was coached by Ime at what appears to be a Basketball Without Borders camp pre-draft where Caboclo was MVP and what (IIRC) led Toronto to pick him.
 

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Fun article on Bruno that looks like it's from just before the 2015-16 season: https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/bruno-caboclo-the-long-game/. Everyone will be glad to know that

The Raptors coaches talk about the moment the light went on for Caboclo. It was at a camp in Vegas attended by top players from the Summer League the week following the NBA’s annual off-season tournament. Caboclo was one of the best players in attendance and continued his strong performance in a series of pickup games in Los Angeles at the Clippers’ practice facility. Playing alongside the likes of Chris Paul, Blake Griffin and Kevin Durant, Caboclo seemed in his element. He deflected passes, caught alley-oop lobs, nailed threes and pinned shots against the backboard. But for Engelbrecht, who was in attendance, the best part was seeing Caboclo interact with his fellow pros. “These guys know who he is! They’re like, ‘OK, the teams are me, Bruno, Blake, DeAndre,’” Engelbrecht says. “That’s his new normal. He’s not this mystery man anymore.”

Article also mentions that Caboclo was coached by Ime at what appears to be a Basketball Without Borders camp pre-draft where Caboclo was MVP and what (IIRC) led Toronto to pick him.
if it doesn't work out with Brooklyn we'll always have this:

Though Caboclo was used in the low post, Engelbrecht saw his potential as a new-age wing player long before he was dubbed the Brazilian Kevin Durant. “Bruno played unbelievably,” the scout recalls ;)
 

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Seems like we no longer need the American Bruno Caboclo. Sorry Brooklyn.
 

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We must lead the league in Bruno's the last twenty years, starting with the incomparable Bruno Sundov
We must, as according to BRef, there have only been three Brunos ever to play in the NBA. Which brings two things to mind:

(1) Is there any other name that has more than 2 players that is monopolized by one team like that?
(2) The only other team for which 2 Brunos has played is HOU.
 

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We must, as according to BRef, there have only been three Brunos ever to play in the NBA. Which brings two things to mind:

(1) Is there any other name that has more than 2 players that is monopolized by one team like that?
(2) The only other team for which 2 Brunos has played is HOU.
Idk, but Semi Ojeleye and Semih Erden both played with the Celtics.
 

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Former 1st round pick, he's 6'9 and played summer league with Utah.

He was MVP of the Brazilian league last season, averaging 23.9 points, 11.1 boards, and 3.6 blocks. It also says he hit 53.1% of his threes, but no idea on volume, but it can't be much.
Seems like a decent enough candidate to take a flyer on to fill out a roster.

When I first saw his name I misread it as Bruno Capocollo.
 

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In China last year Vonleh put up 14/9 on 38% 3s & his team went 18-5...& he's from Haverhill?

Don't really see him catching on but who knows. Former 9th pick, turns 27 later this month.
 

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In China last year Vonleh put up 14/9 on 38% 3s & his team went 18-5...& he's from Haverhill?

Don't really see him catching on but who knows. Former 9th pick, turns 27 later this month.
I remember watching him at MSG at IU and he was so solid. Really thought he’d be something.
 

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Vonleh has just had injury after injury. I'm rooting for him to have an NBA career.
 

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I know nothing about Chinese professional basketball but this feels.... not that great to me.
pretty good, it was actually 15/10 with rounding, and in only 23 MPG (because of the foreign player limits?) He was also near the top of the league in STL and BLK per 36. There were probably a few better players than him just based on scoring, and minutes but he's was a top player and well rounded.
 

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pretty good, it was actually 15/10 with rounding, and in only 23 MPG (because of the foreign player limits?) He was also near the top of the league in STL and BLK per 36. There were probably a few better players than him just based on scoring, and minutes but he's was a top player and well rounded.
That seems like aggressive rounding (14.4/9.2)...

https://basketball.asia-basket.com/player/Noah-Vonleh/China/Shanghai-Sharks/284189

But it doesn't much matter. Definitely worth a flyer & we'll see how it goes.
 

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Vonleh was a late-riser IIRC, largely on the back of untapped potential or some such. That draft was a bit of minefield, Ainge did really well with what many deemed a safe pick.
He did indeed. The only players drafted after Smart that are definitely better are LaVine and Jokic, who were taken 7 and 35 picks later. The only other guys in the conversation are Randle, Nurkic and Capela. Pretty solid.
 
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