Wait and see. Det might not keep Burks and Noel too long since they are expirings.
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Here we go.
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The Knicks have cleared $30M in salary cap space to offer Dallas' Jalen Brunson in the neighborhood of a max contract. The unloading of assets and contracts clearly shows the Knicks' confidence that they can secure Brunson once free agency opens on Thursday.
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The Knicks have cleared $30M in salary cap space to offer Dallas' Jalen Brunson in the neighborhood of a max contract. The unloading of assets and contracts clearly shows the Knicks' confidence that they can secure Brunson once free agency opens on Thursday.
I'm sorry, but what in the world (other than being the Team President's godson, and having the Team President's son as his agent) makes anyone think Jalen Brunson is worth near the max? Like sure he could improve, but is short Jordan Clarkson really a guy you throw near max money at?
Yeah, if they are offering him 30 mil a year, they should be very confident they can secure Brunson.
I wouldn’t not sign Brunson bc of Randle since it’s likely that the Knicks are ready to move on from Randle. Quickley is never going to be your lead guard and his future seems to be that of an offensive spark off the bench so much like Randle I’m not passing on Brunson bc Quickley is coming off my bench.
Unless a team is going to full tank you have to try and improve by upgrading your roster. Brunson on the roster pushes everyone down a notch which helps both the starting unit and your depth. The Knicks need to add good players and today they did. Not sure how this is a bad move for them where they are today.
Haynes says 4/110 (tampering is a joke). which I guess is only 27.5M a year, but still seems insane to me considering that puts him 14th among PGs behind: Curry, Dame, Luka, Westbrook, Trae, SGA, Simmons, Kyrie, Fox, Murray, Paul and Lowry.
He's be way ahead of guys like... Smart, Rozier, Brogdon, Lonzo, Murray, etc.
My general feeling is that you should never trade solid players to overpay other solid players. Burks is much older, but he put up a similar value season to Brunson last year and he was on a good deal. they paid to get off his deal so they could give Brunson almost 3 times as much money. Unless Brunson takes off, that's a bad move, they'd have been better off keeping Burks and seeing what they could get at $15M in the market.
THe Knicks are paying Brunson like an All-Star, and it's all projection, rather than based on his performance
I think Brunson is comfortably a Top 10-15 PG and is being paid as such. Burks is a fungible wing who doesn’t really impact games but is a nice piece to have in your rotation. I don’t have them anywhere close to one another in terms of value or what their FA value would be.
Yeah there isn't really any evidence for that though. Brunson's numbers say he's a good offensive player, but not great, who plays against a lot of bench units, and whose defense isn't good (and likely never will be since he's small).
DARKO loves the Clarkson comparison. Both are 1 DARKO players, although it took Jordan over 600 games to get there (Brunson got there at 200 and stalled).
Anyone dropping big money on small impact guys isbonkers Knicks.
edit: I'd get the upside play maybe if he weren't 26 before the season starts.
Anyone dropping big money on small impact guys is
edit: I'd get the upside play maybe if he weren't 26 before the season starts.
Where do you come up with Brunson playing against bench units? We also saw him impact playoff games this year against the increased defensive pressure that comes with it……of course he did this as a starting PG which he was all year.
At best Brunson seems like a third or maybe fourth best player on a championship-level team. He’s a piece, but it took a lot of somersaults and sacrifices for the NYK to get there. And if they were trying to be discreet at all about their intentions to maintain any leverage in trade talks, that…didn’t happen.
Where does DAL go from here?
Where does DAL go from here?
Funny you mentioned Rozier, as that might be the best comparison. It’s very rare for premium players to become unrestricted free agents after their fourth season. Rozier was a RFA, but renounced to clear cap space.
Keith Smith mentioned that the details are likely more team-friendly than currently reported, as the player’s side is like lot leaning. (Remember when we thought the Knicks gave Fournier a guaranteed 4th year?) So there remains a chance this contract will be very movable if things go sour.
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Brunson is just a slightly better deck chair on the SS Knickerbocker
3-4yrs of Purgatory coming right up
3-4yrs of Purgatory coming right up
Nothing the Knicks could do with that cap space was going to help them avoid purgatory so in this sense you are correct.
The Knicks' fortunes ride on All-NBA Randle reappearing
if he does then Brunson makes sense and this team will have a nice core
watching the Knicks struggle is just a guilty pleasure
Can anyone explain the Knicks hate to me? I get that it's a New York team, but they're about as irrelevant to the Celtics as it can get for a team that plays in the same conference. They beat a washed up KG/Pierce duo and won a few playoff series in the early 70s. Other than the Hornets, I'd say that every other Eastern conference team has more of a history with the Celtics than the Knicks.
I have a hard time giving a shit about them.
The 90s Knicks nearly ruined basketball with the way they played.
Basically any Knicks fan from 2007 to 2010 talked about LeBron like it was an absolute sure thing he was signing with them when he became a free agent in 2010.
The old guys like Francesa fawning over Madison Square Garden.
It's a little before my time, but I think it was a bitter rivalry in the early '70s - they met in the conference finals from 1972-1974 - and then the Knicks tried to poach Red in 1978. And, of course, the whole New York-Boston thing. But, yeah, at least during my time as a fan the Sixers rivalry, among others, far eclipsed the perpetually mediocre Knick.
What year are we on the wait for the stud FA to be lured to the Knicks by the thought of winning a title in MSG?
I loved the "Knicks are back" talk after last year's epic battle that ended in a 5 game, round 1 loss. They bought into it, spent accordingly, and now they're tying to clean up that mess so they can spend on a guy who would make zero "NBA top 50 players" lists. I'm putting the over/under on "Knicks looking to unload Jalen Brunson" rumors at 1/15/2024. If they want to be proactive they should just start looking for suitors now, and also ramp up the scouting on who will be available with the #14 pick.
I loved the "Knicks are back" talk after last year's epic battle that ended in a 5 game, round 1 loss. They bought into it, spent accordingly, and now they're tying to clean up that mess so they can spend on a guy who would make zero "NBA top 50 players" lists. I'm putting the over/under on "Knicks looking to unload Jalen Brunson" rumors at 1/15/2024. If they want to be proactive they should just start looking for suitors now, and also ramp up the scouting on who will be available with the #14 pick.
It was still a bit of a rivalry in the 1980's as well. The 1984 playoff series against the Bernard King Knicks was quite epic, with a lot of verbal sparring back and forth between the two teams. There was the epic meltdown by the 1985-86 Celtics on Christmas Day at MSG. And Patrick Ewing and the Knicks eliminated the Celtics in the 1990 opening round that led to Jimmy Rodgers dismissal as coach after two seasons. The Sixers and Lakers, and eventually the Pistons, were certainly more hated, but Celtics-Knicks was still a thing at the time.
Right,, and there was that free agency period where the Knicks were wooing McHale and Auerbach signed several Knick stiffs to offer sheets (Marvin Webster, Sly Williams and Rory Sparrow) and somehow this caused the Knicks to back off. It was heralded as a genius move at the time, but I remember thinking at the time that the Knicks should have just stuck us with those guys and signed McHale. I've never understood why that head fake worked. Other than, you know, Knicks going to Knicks.
I agree with this. Red Holzman isn’t walking through that door fans! Johnny Newman is not walking through that door. Charles Oakley is not walking through that door and if he tries Dolan’s gonna have him arrested for trespassing!
That's fair. The Knicks are irrelevant. Agreed.
Years of listening to a pro-Knicks/anti-Celtic bias from Van Gundy, Breen, Marc Jackson, Hubie, Marv, etc has always been a hair grating
At this point they are cartooish with Spike Lee/Steven A antics at the draft, Dolan banning fans/Oakley, Isiah Thomas/Phil running the team into the ground, the Ewing effect, and the yearly rumors of them getting Free Agents since the Knicks are a destination franchise. Last but not least watching Yankee fans suffer in the winter will always be welcomed.
The reality is we poke fun at all poorly run sports franchises around here. What are the Kings/Ranadive up to?
Even with the bizarreness of free agency I still can’t wrap my head around teams fighting over the right to pay Jalen Brunson $110 million. At the trade deadline this year it seemed crazy that he was turning down a $55 million Mavs extension because he wanted $80 million, and now we’ve blown so far past that. He’s an okay player but he’s not changing your franchise.
I was going to opst the same thing, the Jackson / Van Gundy angle is nauseating. For some reason I have Jackson cemented as a Knick - and (as a kid) i didn't hate him as a player, (as an adult) i have let his TV commentary wash my opinion on him in general and thus the Knicks. Van Gundy I am not as critical of... but maybe I should be.
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Maybe that's why Ish plays so well against the Celtics: He's pissed that they've never signed or traded for him.
Maybe that's why Ish plays so well against the Celtics: He's pissed that they've never signed or traded for him.
As an interesting comparison, Fred Van Vleet just signed a 4/110 extension. not totally comparable, but also somewhat consistent in terms of valuation isn't it? I'd prefer FVV, but he's older and has less upside too.
I read that Was-Den deal as essentially Washington believing they need an upgrade at PG (Morris) whereas Denver really cares more about off-ball and shooting skill (KCP). Those both make sense to me given rosters....Denver has Murray partially on-ball and also has Jokic really being the PG in the half-court so some of Morris' value is lost.
That makes sense - thanks.
Looks like they might keep Ish,
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Don't know the bonafides of this twitter guy, but according to his spreadsheet, this move gets DEN under the luxury tax by $3.9M.
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Did I miss this somewhere else? Will Hardy is linked to become UT's next head coach.
I've not listened to it yet, but Karalis has some thoughts on who Hardy might poach from Ime's coaching staff in his latest podcast.
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I've not listened to it yet, but Karalis has some thoughts on who Hardy might poach from Ime's coaching staff in his latest podcast.
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Smith makes sense when he says the final terms will likely be less player friendly, we shall see on that. But I guess reading this post I'm kind of like...yeah, that's about where he fits if you add in inflation and a slight bump for being signed as a FA. I'd take Smart and a healthy Lonzo over Brunson, to be sure, but nonetheless being paid as a middle of the pack PG seems generally about right.
Well, he's no Ballsack Sports.
Who is talking about Knicks hate? There would be pity perhaps if their owner wasn't such a tool shed. I imagine that what most Celtics fans feel toward the Knicks is what most hockey fans feel toward the Bruins. Benign superiority.
I like when Karalis goes solo. Too much fluff/wasted time when Westerholm hops on.
John speculates Tony Dobbins would go to Utah with Hardy and then lure Jaylen Brown to Utah in 2yrs.
Celtics media most bored. Simmons also had an insane take.
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1. Ainge was pretty obviously pushed out
2. There is nothing wrong with hiring another team's assistant coach.
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1. Ainge was pretty obviously pushed out
2. There is nothing wrong with hiring another team's assistant coach.
$110m isn’t a franchise changing contract anymore. It’s middle of the pack starting PG money which is about where I’d rank Brunson.
The new TV contract and a CAP kink could make the back end of that deal cheap. The Knicks pull in serious revenue and their franchise value is huge, it's a drop in the bucket in the scheme of things.
. . . . who was in turn poached by the current head coach from the current head coach's former team.
They added a quality starter to their lineup at a key position under cost control without giving up a future asset. I don’t understand how this is considered a bad thing. Nothing earth shattering from a Knicks view but with what was available to them in the FA market that’s a solid get imo.
1. Yes
2. If there was anything wrong with it the Celtics wouldn’t have given Utah permission to speak with him. This is as common in the league as a 20-yr old girl hanging out in a visiting teams hotel lobby.
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