Offseason Thread - Betty when you call me, you can call me Al

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I mean this sounds good in theory, but the reality is that Sacramento is the armpit of the universe and if you’re their GM you have to either get extremely lucky in the draft or take on those crap contracts in hopes that the players attached to them get their heads on straight.
Apparently Vlade is willing to try his luck at the free agent game with a “massive” offer to Al:
A league source told The Sacramento Bee on Sunday morning the Kings are expected to make a massive offer to free-agent center Al Horford when free agency begins at 3 p.m., and there is mutual interest on both sides. Horford is attracting interest from a number of teams around the league but was not scheduled to hold any meetings Sunday, the source said.
https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article232122322.html
Doesn’t quite fit with idea that Al wants to go to a contender and the report is thinly sourced, but they do have a boatload of cap space and an opening in the front court with WCS’s departure. I think a Fox/Horford two man game could be fun as hell too.
 

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Apparently Vlade is willing to try his luck at the free agent game with a “massive” offer to Al:

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article232122322.html
Doesn’t quite fit with idea that Al wants to go to a contender and the report is thinly sourced, but they do have a boatload of cap space and an opening in the front court with WCS’s departure. I think a Fox/Horford two man game could be fun as hell too.
One note... the idea that Al wants to go to a contender has no real basis, he never said it, nobody around him leaked it.
 

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Apparently Vlade is willing to try his luck at the free agent game with a “massive” offer to Al:

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article232122322.html
Doesn’t quite fit with idea that Al wants to go to a contender and the report is thinly sourced, but they do have a boatload of cap space and an opening in the front court with WCS’s departure. I think a Fox/Horford two man game could be fun as hell too.
If Al even meets with them, it implies that he wants the max and wasn't offered that here. That's understandable on both sides. Danny knows that a max deal at his age isn't a great call and knows his medicals. Al needs to shoot the moon on what's likely his last big deal.
 

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If he goes to Sactown I won't have any problem rooting for him this upcoming season.
 

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If Al even meets with them, it implies that he wants the max and wasn't offered that here. That's understandable on both sides. Danny knows that a max deal at his age isn't a great call and knows his medicals. Al needs to shoot the moon on what's likely his last big deal.
he wasn't offered anywhere near the max here, and he won't get anywhere near the max in SAC. Al Horford has over 10 years in, his max is 4/166+, the rumored offer he has on the table (whether that is from SAC or elsewhere) is 4/112
 

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I hate the Sixers with all my being, but they were the closest team in the entire playoff pool to beating the eventual champs. One of the all time bounces away from forcing game 7 OT. (Yes, they may lose some important players, but they're clearly coming off a very solid season.)
They don't know how to win. Simmons is not a winning player, Embiid will always be lolEmbiid. Coach is a buffoon. Even with the dysfunction Philly still stunk against Boston last year.
 

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They don't know how to win. Simmons is not a winning player, Embiid will always be lolEmbiid. Coach is a buffoon. Even with the dysfunction Philly still stunk against Boston last year.
Again, the whole "within a bad bounce of beating the defending champs" tends to refute your argument and also make you look like a moron.
 

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he wasn't offered anywhere near the max here, and he won't get anywhere near the max in SAC. Al Horford has over 10 years in, his max is 4/166+, the rumored offer he has on the table (whether that is from SAC or elsewhere) is 4/112
I was sloppy, and thanks for correcting.

What I mean is that he's leaving over money. And I don't blame either DA or him for that.
 

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Apparently Vlade is willing to try his luck at the free agent game with a “massive” offer to Al:

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article232122322.htmlDoesn’t quite fit with idea that Al wants to go to a contender and the report is thinly sourced, but they do have a boatload of cap space and an opening in the front court with WCS’s departure. I think a Fox/Horford two man game could be fun as hell too.
Sam Amick tweeted that the Sacramento people are under the impression that he’s signing elsewhere, though they are indeed planning on making a large offer. Kevin O’Connor commented that he’s been told that the “mystery team” is actually Boston (though admitting that it would be complicated to do).

https://twitter.com/kevinoconnornba/status/1145378973502910464
 

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This is starting to sound like the reason the Hornets didn't make a real offer to Kemba is that they like Rozier better (for their timeline), and worked something out with the Celtics. Might also be why this was able to leak early: both sides may have had a lot of people putting it together for awhile.
I think they didn't make a real offer because they don't want to pay luxury tax (1 of only 2 teams to have never paid tax), and Rozier is their choice because he's young, high upside and comparatively cheap.
 

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So I'm behind the times just learning about Albert Nahmed, who came up with a possible 3-way trade that allows Cs to keep Horford (and possibly MM).

Besides that, his twitter feed has a bunch of interesting stuff re: NBA salary cap. For example:

(1) "With salary cap jumping by $7.3M for 2019-20, to $109.1M, the NBA doesn’t think teams will be able to ramp up spending on salaries and benefits quickly enough. I believe it’s projecting 6% BRI growth, coupled with a $35M shortfall, resulting in a $117M cap projection for 2020-21."

(2) "NBA players received $3.976 billion in pre-escrow salaries and benefits during 2018-19, which, at 51.79% of BRI, was $61M higher than their designated share (51.00%). As a result, each team will receive $2.0M from escrow (while the players will receive back the remaining $308M)."

https://twitter.com/AlbertNahmad/status/1145190199611334656
https://twitter.com/AlbertNahmad/status/1145186163885559808
 

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Stein tweeting that Minnesota is #1 on D'Angelo Russell's list--which would likely mean the T-Wolves have a taker for Wiggins.
 

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Has to be a sign and trade, right? Miami is capped out and then some for 2019-20. Olynyk could fit well with the 76ers, for part of the salary. Plus they're hovering around the apron, how does that work with a sign and trade?
Yes, and to make it work they’d need to find someone to eat the Whiteside & Anderson contracts. Because then Olynyk for Butler works, and reduces their payroll enough for them to sign some depth.
 

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This is really dangerous for Portland.

Giving a dude a 4/196 extension that doesn't even kick in til two years from now?

That's a bet I wouldn't make that far out.
Yeah, I get that they want to keep Dame, but that can easily become a franchise-killer.
 

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WOJ BOMB (this seems to be picking up momentum)

Sources: Boston's showing interest in a 3-team sign-and-trade w/ Kyrie Irving (Nets), Kemba Walker (Celtics) and Terry Rozier (Hornets). Boston wants to create a full MLE and would likely need to surrender at least a first-round pick to Nets. So far, talks are exploratory.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145409029151363072
Well, I guess it's good we picked up a 2020 first from the Bucks.
 

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Double post.

Does that proposed deal make it easier to bring Horford back? Or does it have no impact?
 

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Is getting a $9 million player over a $4.5 million player worth a first round pick though? Guess it depends if Danny's got someone lined up.
 

lovegtm

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Is getting a $9 million player over a $4.5 million player worth a first round pick though? Guess it depends if Danny's got someone lined up.
If you think of it as a multi-year deal, it’s substantial money and a substantial difference in the type of player you get. Could indicate they have a non-Horford target at big.
 

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Man, now I'm gonna be disappointed if we don't keep Horford.
I have mixed feelings about 33 year-old Al at 4/110 or whatever. I can easily see a lot of scenarios in which it ends up being better to go with an MLE big + internal development. And I really like Horford’s game a lot.
 

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I have mixed feelings about 33 year-old Al at 4/110 or whatever. I can easily see a lot of scenarios in which it ends up being better to go with an MLE big + internal development. And I really like Horford’s game a lot.
I’m actually fine with it if they have the full MLE to bring in a 4/5 for Horford load management.
 

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If you think the Mets have had a rough season with the NY media, just wait until KD and Kyrie are talking to them every night. Yikes.
 

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I lived in Brooklyn. I found it to be overpriced and dirty. I dont get the fascination. But I digress. Good night for the Nets. Get Kemba and I'm fine as a C's fan. Figure out a way to get Al back...its a jackpot night
 

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Probably missed this already but if Ainge can swing Kemba as a S+T deal to retain Horford (and Morris, theoretically), he would still also have the full MLE available, yes? Or is this where a hardcap situation comes in to play? That gets very expensive of course but if you’re going to be over the cap it had better be with as much talent as possible.
 
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