Patrick Chung to retire

DJnVa

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Whoops.

Well he was gonna take up 5 mil this year had he stayed anyway. So 8 hits now, but they save 1.75 mil in base and bonuses, so instead of 5 this year, the hit becomes 6.25, so it costs them an extra 1.25 mil I believe. DJ had it right.
Miguel said something about them processing immediately versus June 2, so they can decide which way to play it. But if it's only an extra 1.25M, might was well do it.
 

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Miguel said something about them processing immediately versus June 2, so they can decide which way to play it. But if it's only an extra 1.25M, might was well do it.
Think it’s actually 1.75 (edited above). I’m rusty lol. Agree with your point either way, unless you think you need it for Jimmy I guess (not my preferred strategy).
 

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Miguel said something about them processing immediately versus June 2, so they can decide which way to play it. But if it's only an extra 1.25M, might was well do it.
Breakdown -

View: https://twitter.com/patscap/status/1372544874713595904?s=20


(1/2) If Patrick Chung's retirement is processed immediately, his 2021 dead money would be $6,963,224 and he comes off the books for the 2022/2023/2024 seasons. Patriots lose $2,829,891 in cap space this way

2022 savings - $4,483,334
2023 - $2.4M
2024 - $2.4M

(1/2) If Patrick Chung's retirement is processed after June 1, his 2021 dead money would be $3,283,333. His 2022 dead money would be $3,679,891 and he comes off the books for the 2023/2024 seasons.

2021 cap savings - $850K.
2022 savings - $316,666
2023 - $2.4M
2024 - $2.4M
 

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Such a fun hardworking player who I'll never speak ill of.

Not to be confused with Peter Chung, the practice squad player who idiotically called for a fake punt in the 2011 Jets Playoff game leading to our upset loss on what should have been a superbowl team. Peter Chung was last seen being led by Ernie Adams and a team of ex-navy seal operators to an interrogation site in Poland immeidately after the game...
 

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Yeah, that’s weird lol (Miguel’s Tweet). Must be some retirement rule that gives teams the option to push dead money to protect teams from surprise retirements.
 

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A really good player that BB admitted he goofed on because he initially had him playing a position that didn't suit his skills.

Chung was a lot of fun to watch and a hard worker. He'll be missed, I always really liked him.
 

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Yeah, that’s weird lol. Must be some retirement rule that pushes dead money to protect teams from surprise retirements.
Any cut or retirement processes after June 1 gets this treatment.

I haven’t heard a definitive explanation for its intended purpose, as this is real minutiae and understandably not shit they talk about on NFLN or ESPN. But it seems to help teams who have a pre camp retirement hit their books, who cut a guy as rosters pare down, or need some extra dollars to sign draft picks.
 

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Very good player. A little annoyed we signed him to that extension at his age but, whatever, he earned it.
 

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Any cut or retirement processes after June 1 gets this treatment.

I haven’t heard a definitive explanation for its intended purpose, as this is real minutiae and understandably not shit they talk about on NFLN or ESPN. But it seems to help teams who have a pre camp retirement hit their books, who cut a guy as rosters pare down, or need some extra dollars to sign draft picks.
I thought the math looked different from a standard post June cut, but I might well be wrong on that. It’s been a minute, getting back on the bike so to speak.
 

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Such a fun hardworking player who I'll never speak ill of.

Not to be confused with Peter Chung, the practice squad player who idiotically called for a fake punt in the 2011 Jets Playoff game leading to our upset loss on what should have been a superbowl team. Peter Chung was last seen being led by Ernie Adams and a team of ex-navy seal operators to an interrogation site in Poland immeidately after the game...
I'm pretty sure that was Eugene Chung.

Is Patrick, though, a Patriots Hall of Famer? I'd put him in ahead of Lawyer Milloy. Started 112 games and 19 playoff games. I can't think of any iconic plays (Eugene's fake punt aside).
 

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If Fred Marion isn't in the Pats HOF, I'm not sure how you can put Chung in the there. Hall of Very Good, I'd say.
 

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I'm pretty sure that was Eugene Chung.

Is Patrick, though, a Patriots Hall of Famer? I'd put him in ahead of Lawyer Milloy. Started 112 games and 19 playoff games. I can't think of any iconic plays (Eugene's fake punt aside).
Eugene was an offensive tackle back in the 90's
 

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A really good player that BB admitted he goofed on because he initially had him playing a position that didn't suit his skills.

Chung was a lot of fun to watch and a hard worker. He'll be missed, I always really liked him.
Same here. I remember kind of thinking good riddance when he left for Philly. A guy who got burned too much in coverage. His version 2.0 return turned out to be a surprising, and really enjoyable run. Once he was utilized more to his strengths of run support, etc, became a very good, productive player, and a core member of three championships. Glad he’s going out on his own terms.
 

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I don't like the NFL rules whereby a player who retires costs you a dead cap hit. It's not like the Pats traded him or cut him. If the guy retires, whatever is left on his contract should be gone. Both in real dollars and cap space.
 

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Chung sucking, Bill admitting he outright blew the first go-round as a coach, and then Chung returning and turning into a key player on some very solid defenses is one of my favorite stories of the 2010s portion of the dynasty. I was optimistic he'd have some gas left in the tank after a year off, but I can't fault him for getting out. Great player.
 

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I really thought the Mills signing made him expendable. Not to mention Duggers emergence. Really enjoyed Chung 2.0 but was curious as to why they extended him knowing his age and the fact that he's been beat up. Wish him the best in his after football life.
 

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Such a fun hardworking player who I'll never speak ill of.

Not to be confused with Peter Chung, the practice squad player who idiotically called for a fake punt in the 2011 Jets Playoff game leading to our upset loss on what should have been a superbowl team. Peter Chung was last seen being led by Ernie Adams and a team of ex-navy seal operators to an interrogation site in Poland immeidately after the game...
I'm pretty sure that was Eugene Chung.

Is Patrick, though, a Patriots Hall of Famer? I'd put him in ahead of Lawyer Milloy. Started 112 games and 19 playoff games. I can't think of any iconic plays (Eugene's fake punt aside).
Eugene was an offensive tackle back in the 90's
Entirely possible.
Maybe it was Wang Chung who called the fake punt in 2011?
Guys. It was Patrick Chung. The same guy.

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By the end he seemed to be banged up a ton. To his credit he kept playing hard and making plays. But after a year off, and probably feeling better physically than he has in years, it's not that much of a surprise that he said no more. Good for him. I hope he has some enjoyable pursuits ahead before the arthritis kicks in, so that boredom doesn't compel him to return to the field.

Or maybe he's going to try and help an injury-affected local team.
View: https://www.nhl.com/bruins/video/patrick-chung-laces-em-up/t-277437088/c-51019603
 

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I can't think of many iconic or defining big plays, but he was steady and reliable in his second stint, he was always a hard worker and he just seemed like a fun guy (insert cocaine joke). His story is great considering how he was viewed when he left the first time vs how we all see him now. 3 rings, a year off and a young baby at home. Great time to step away.
 

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I don't like the NFL rules whereby a player who retires costs you a dead cap hit. It's not like the Pats traded him or cut him. If the guy retires, whatever is left on his contract should be gone. Both in real dollars and cap space.
Teams would abuse the hell out of that.

It's just a good thing he saved enough on car insurance that he could comfortably afford to retire.
 

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I don't like the NFL rules whereby a player who retires costs you a dead cap hit. It's not like the Pats traded him or cut him. If the guy retires, whatever is left on his contract should be gone. Both in real dollars and cap space.
The dead cap hit is only acceleration of his signing bonus, e.g. money already paid to Chung. I don't really see a good argument as to why money a team actually paid a player shouldn't ever hit the salary cap.
 

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I really liked Chung. I'm going off much worse memory than you all, but he seemed like the closest thing we had to Rodney Harrison post-Rodney. Heavy hitter, could cover some TEs, and knew the D schemes well. Happy when guys get rings, make money, and retire with health intact (to the extent NFLers can).
 

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Cap charges ultimately need to tie to cash paid to the player by the team. Thus bonus accleration when they leave the team whether cut, traded or retired.
 

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I don't like the NFL rules whereby a player who retires costs you a dead cap hit. It's not like the Pats traded him or cut him. If the guy retires, whatever is left on his contract should be gone. Both in real dollars and cap space.
Too easy to cheat the system if you don’t. Eg you sign a player you know will retire in 2 years. You only have cap space for $2m this year, so you structure a 5-year contract with a $10m signing bonus so it counts only $2m this year. If the guy retires as expected then with your idea you’ve effectively created $6m in free cap space
 

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I can't think of many iconic or defining big plays, but he was steady and reliable in his second stint, he was always a hard worker and he just seemed like a fun guy (insert cocaine joke). His story is great considering how he was viewed when he left the first time vs how we all see him now. 3 rings, a year off and a young baby at home. Great time to step away.
I always think of this game by Chung. Blocked a punt, a field goal, and a pick 6 vs. Phins in week 4 of 2010:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMpJbLaD5eI
 

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Always a bummer to lose a guy who was a big piece of the titles.

Amazing how he turned his career around. Not sure how it why - but he was awesome.

Also kind of lame that his cap hit goes up. I will never understand NFL contracts.
 

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I can't think of many iconic or defining big plays, but he was steady and reliable in his second stint, he was always a hard worker and he just seemed like a fun guy (insert cocaine joke). His story is great considering how he was viewed when he left the first time vs how we all see him now. 3 rings, a year off and a young baby at home. Great time to step away.
One often overlooked Chung play was against the Falcons down 28-9 in the 4th quarter.*

First play of 4th quarter is an Atlanta punt. Belichick, desperate for comeback, steals a play from coaching legend Jeff Fisher and had team /Edelman try to do the fake catch on one sideline (punt return left) while Chung actually plays and catches ball on far right. (The play is the one the Fisher-led Rams pulled off versus Seahawks earlier, 2 seasons before)

One alert Falcon cover guy is not fooled however and is right on Chung and the ball, forcing Chung (who is not in ideal catch position because he’s trying to pretend to not be the returner until last possible second) to make a very difficult over the shoulder catch to secure the punt. If he drops it or bobbles it , and they lose ball, game is over. But he secures it and play does not backfire. Almost some karmic adjustment for his trick punt play failure against the Jets 6 years earlier.

*I’m pretty sure it was a playoff game that the Pats came back to win. I think the play was overlooked because there were like 1 or 2 other more exciting plays later in that game ...but maybe someone can confirm it for me by posting some videos.

All I know is I slept late and well that night.