Patriots are bringing back the Pat Patriot uniform/helmet

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I wonder why the number pattern isn't the same. I noticed the 1 in Slater's jersey looked like the old number pattern, not the new one
 

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Have these ever really left? I can remember them wearing these when they put up 50 in the snow on Tennessee when Moss was still with the team.
 

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Wonder what games they will be wearing them for. They could wear them for certain road games like GB or the Raiders since those teams wear dark enough unis at home that red would be considered a light color. Home game candidates could be Baltimore, Indy, Buffalo, and Cincinnati. My guess is they wear them 2-3 times.
 

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Wonder what games they will be wearing them for. They could wear them for certain road games like GB or the Raiders since those teams wear dark enough unis at home that red would be considered a light color. Home game candidates could be Baltimore, Indy, Buffalo, and Cincinnati. My guess is they wear them 2-3 times.
They can't wear them at GB - remember the Jets-Bills color rush game a few years ago? Some color-blind people can't differentiate red/green
 

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They left after the NFL instituted a 1-helmet rule. Now that the rule has changed, they have brought them back.
So have the Pittsburgh Steelers not worn that all black helmet with the stupid bumblebee uniforms? I feel like it has definitely been less than 13 years since I’ve seen those. And I’m almost certain, almost, that they used those different helmets as well.

also, what kind of a stupid rule is that from the legal office that you could only have one helmet? This, at a time that they are merchandising everything and having alternative uniforms for Thursday night football. This really is the dumbest of all leagues.
 

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So have the Pittsburgh Steelers not worn that all black helmet with the stupid bumblebee uniforms? I feel like it has definitely been less than 13 years since I’ve seen those. And I’m almost certain, almost, that they used those different helmets as well.

also, what kind of a stupid rule is that from the legal office that you could only have one helmet? This, at a time that they are merchandising everything and having alternative uniforms for Thursday night football. This really is the dumbest of all leagues.
All the Steelers needed to do to wear all-black helmets was remove the decals from their current shells. It was easy for them to keep their throwback unis.
 

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So have the Pittsburgh Steelers not worn that all black helmet with the stupid bumblebee uniforms? I feel like it has definitely been less than 13 years since I’ve seen those. And I’m almost certain, almost, that they used those different helmets as well.

also, what kind of a stupid rule is that from the legal office that you could only have one helmet? This, at a time that they are merchandising everything and having alternative uniforms for Thursday night football. This really is the dumbest of all leagues.
They wear the same helmet when they wear the bumblebee uniform. st5ej9oc4mzbjopw75cc.jpg
 

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I'm irrationally excited about this. The current uniforms are so bad.
I'm a big fan of this and down the road I wouldn't mind a hybrid overhaul with Pat on silver helmets, the navy blue jerseys in the old style trimmed in red, white and a splash of silver and white pants as one set of unis and the white shirt and red pant combo seen here as the other.
 

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So have the Pittsburgh Steelers not worn that all black helmet with the stupid bumblebee uniforms? I feel like it has definitely been less than 13 years since I’ve seen those. And I’m almost certain, almost, that they used those different helmets as well.

also, what kind of a stupid rule is that from the legal office that you could only have one helmet? This, at a time that they are merchandising everything and having alternative uniforms for Thursday night football. This really is the dumbest of all leagues.
It was one shell and it was somehow related to concussion stuff if I recall correctly. It was the idea that they have the one helmet all year perfectly fitted and broken in for the player versus constantly changing to a new helmet for all the different looks.
 

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The incomprehensible nostalgia for uniforms that almost nothing good happened in continues............. How about bringing back the 2000-2019 uniforms? Ya know, the ones they won 6 Super Bowls wearing.
 

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The incomprehensible nostalgia for uniforms that almost nothing good happened in continues............. How about bringing back the 2000-2019 uniforms? Ya know, the ones they won 6 Super Bowls wearing.
I don’t know if it’s nostalgia, they just look really fucking cool.
 

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The incomprehensible nostalgia for uniforms that almost nothing good happened in continues............. How about bringing back the 2000-2019 uniforms? Ya know, the ones they won 6 Super Bowls wearing.
This. The team changing its uniform set after a 20 year dynasty never made sense from a branding stand point. You’ve got a uniform set synonymous with greatness. Now they look like the Titans.
 

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I'm a big fan of this and down the road I wouldn't mind a hybrid overhaul with Pat on silver helmets, the navy blue jerseys in the old style trimmed in red, white and a splash of silver and white pants as one set of unis and the white shirt and red pant combo seen here as the other.
I’ve always thought the hybrid approach was the answer. Keep most of the color scheme from the Brady era but bring back Pat the patriotic, maybe with some color tweaks to match the blue unis. Maybe go to white helmets too

I get the desire to connect with the good years, but Pat is a 1000x better logo than Elvis, which has to be one of the worst logos in the league
 

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No I like the Jerseys with the stripes on the shoulders.
I do prefer the stripes on the arms but I'll be fine with whatever white uni. They were so clean looking. I actually prefer the white slightly over red.
 

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Those uniforms are gorgeous. Sure we had some bad seasons in them, but we also had some good ones as well (1976, ‘78, and ‘85 come to mind). And they have character. I don’t mind the current logo and unis, but they’re pretty soulless.
 

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Uh, do people really think the uniforms caused them to be bad? We used these in the aughts as well.

They look cool, therefore people are excited to see them back in the rotation.

That's really all there is to it. History is the past.
 

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Uh, do people really think the uniforms caused them to be bad? We used these in the aughts as well.

They look cool, therefore people are excited to see them back in the rotation.

That's really all there is to it. History is the past.
Pretty sure they were wearing the reds in the 59-0 game. 2009 was it?
 

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Just to clarify, I don’t care at all about a couple a throwback games. I’m fine wearing them for those. It’s the recurring talk of making them the permanent uniform that I don’t get. They became an iconic franchise/dynasty wearing the 2000-2019 look. That should be their primary uniform combo, permanently. And like others, I don’t like their current look at all.
 
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As an alternate, I love it. As for going back full time? We sucked in those Unis.
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The incomprehensible nostalgia for uniforms that almost nothing good happened in continues............. How about bringing back the 2000-2019 uniforms? Ya know, the ones they won 6 Super Bowls wearing.
Before Elvis, no Lombardis. Since Elvis, lots of Lombardis. Opponents see Elvis and fall to their knees, weeping like toddlers. Elvis = Dynasty
I know that the Pats were ass in those old uniforms but I think after 6 superbowl wins they stench has been washed off of them.
No. Those unis will always recall a battered Hugh Millen peeling himself off the frozen Sullivan Stadium "turf" after another sack. A nameless linebacker getting steamrolled by The Fridge. Ron Meyer jumping and screaming at no one in particular.
 

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Those uniforms are gorgeous. Sure we had some bad seasons in them, but we also had some good ones as well (1976, ‘78, and ‘85 come to mind). And they have character. I don’t mind the current logo and unis, but they’re pretty soulless.
One of my personal Pats hot takes is that the pre-Parcells teams on the whole weren’t consistently awful as it’s usually made out, but the low points were so bad that it clouded memories of more mediocre seasons.

AFL era (1960-69) 10 seasons
63-68-9
.482 winning percentage, 5 winning seasons, 5 losing seasons, 1-1 playoff record, 1 championship game appearance

(1970-1975) 6 seasons
26-58-0
.309 winning percentage, 1 .500 season, 5 losing seasons, no playoff games

(1976-1988) 13 seasons
113-83-0
.576 winning percentage, 11 winning seasons, 1 .500 season, 1 losing season, 3-4 playoff record, 1 Superbowl appearance

(1989-1992) 4 seasons
14-50
.219 winning percentage, 4 losing seasons, no playoff appearances

Pat Patriot era (1960-1992)
Regular season 216-259-9, .455 winning percentage, 16 winning seasons, 15 losing seasons, 2 .500 seasons

Not great by any means, but pretty comparable overall to the Bills, Jets and Colts in the old AFC East over the same period:
Bills (1960-1992)
222-254-8, .467 winning percentage
Jets (1960-1992)
213-263-8, .448 winning percentage
Colts (1970-1992)
144-198-2, .415 winning percentage

But clearly worse than Miami
Dolphins (1966-1992)
244-152-4, .615 winning percentage
 

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Am I the only one that doesn’t get it? I mean the uniforms themselves are nice and clean but they are not that great? Then again the current ones aren’t either. I’m not sure why they changed them from the Dynasty era. As a previous poster said: they’re synonymous with greatness and you change them immediately after TB leaves?

Also, the Pat the Patriot logo is woefully overrated. Although maybe I’m bias cause I’m admittedly one of the few who likes the current logo.

A few years ago I saw a concept that had the same *exact* current Patriots uniforms but simply red. I could get behind these uniforms if they made them EXACTLY like the current ones (except minus the flying Elvis and put in Pat the Patriot). But I don’t like the idea of a third uniform that has hardly any consistency with the home and away.

Also, for those clamoring for these FULL time. The Patriots wearing red full time makes zero sense. The PATRIOTS wearing Red. As in Red coats. No one sees this irony?
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A: it has been two full seasons since Tommy left
B: when they changed from Pat to Flying Elvis there was a huge outcry, almost no one liked Elvis
C: Pat has been a top seller for the team even though he has been gone so long. I expect these throwbacks will be huge for merchandise sales.
 

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Woof. Pat Patriot wears the stink of the Sullivans for eternity.
Yeah, I personally just don't get this take at all. One could just as easily say that the iconic "B" and/or pair of socks wore the stink of failure and the Yawkeys prior to 2004. The main difference being that the Red Sox didn't switch to a vastly inferior logo before running off a couple decades of relative success.

To each their own, but I just don't understand tying a teams success or failure to their logo/mascot.
 

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I really like both logos to be honest. Slight edge for Pat the patriot. Most of the apparel I buy has him on it.
 

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My unpopular opinion is that the Parcells/Bledsoe era royal blue / soccer number look is very underrated and due for the throwback treatment.
 

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My unpopular opinion is that the Parcells/Bledsoe era royal blue / soccer number look is very underrated and due for the throwback treatment.
I don't think this opinion is all that unpopular. I think fans would love to see them once a year.