Patriots sign Danny Amendola to extension

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He is a pretty valuable guy in case of Edelman going down and in the special teams game. He was great in the playoffs.
 

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In his two years here, he's made about $8.3 million of his $28.5 million initial contract. So he's definitely getting a sizeable pay cut for the next 3 years. Not sure how much more is guaranteed -- that number was $10 million on the initial contract.
 

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Happy to have him back with the way he came last year. Love the offensive continuity.
 

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Cap number was 5.7.  1.2 of amortization from the original signing bonus is still going to count against the cap this year, so hard to see how they cut his number in half.  Even if its something like a $1MM base salary this year and $4MM of bonus, which seems like a pretty cap friendly restructure, he'd count $3.5 or so against the cap this year.
 

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With this combined with Gibson's signing and Tyms extension, does that now foreclose the Pats from going after another playmaker (like Harvin) as has been rumored?
 

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jsinger121 said:
 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet  now9 seconds ago
#Patriots WR Danny Amendola values winning, may have given up more money elsewhere. Deal: 3-years, $12.75M. Can be worth up to $15M
 
 
This is impossible to know unless NE told him he could go check his value which would be rather unusual.
Is this going to be the mantra for each player that signs here?  More likely Danny realized he probably wasn't going to get all that much coming off two down years.  NE had a vested interest in keeping him here to prevent any dead money so they both got something out of it.
 

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Maybe marginally, but Tyms and Gibson are close to non-factors cap wise and Amendola's role is very different that what Harvin's role would be.  If they wanted Harvin before, Id speculate they are still interested
 

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Gibson and Tyms aren't signed for big money; they could be camp cuts.  So, I don't think so.
 

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I don't think so in Harvin's case because he's such a unique player. Gibson and Tyms are eminently cuttable.
 

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Rusty13 said:
With this combined with Gibson's signing and Tyms extension, does that now foreclose the Pats from going after another playmaker (like Harvin) as has been rumored?
 
I think it's the opposite.  They both got slightly over the minimum salary.  Combined with Amendola's restructure I'm guessing their cap situation has improved for 2015.
 

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Stitch01 said:
Cap number was 5.7.  1.2 of amortization from the original signing bonus is still going to count against the cap this year, so hard to see how they cut his number in half.  Even if its something like a $1MM base salary this year and $4MM of bonus, which seems like a pretty cap friendly restructure, he'd count $3.5 or so against the cap this year.
They might have converted some salary to bonus, but I bet a lot of this was a pay cut or converting salary to incentives, with the understanding that he'd probably be cut if he didn't agree.
 
That said, I think you're probably in the right ballpark.
 

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Gibson $40,000 in guaranteed.
 
Tyms details haven't been released yet but I'd assume it's not much more. 
 
I think he got $15K guaranteed with a $585 base salary.
 
edit: found the kyed tweet.  the $15k is a workout bonus.
 

By the way, Patriots signed Brian Tyms to a one-year deal with a $585,000 base salary. Has a $15,000 workout bonus. Cap hit of $600,000.
 
 

 
edit: volin is confused, ignore
 

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Yeah Im thinking something like $4-$5MM converted to bonus and $1/$2.5/$5 base salaries or something like that.  Id guess the base salaries are structured so '17 is a phony year, not sure about '16.  Cant imagine Amendola did this without some guaranteed money, so given the $1.2 in bonus amort they have to take on the cap I struggle to see how they get to something under a low $3MM cap hit for this year.  We'll know soon enough I guess.
 

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Yeah Im thinking something like $4-$5MM converted to bonus and $1/$2.5/$5 base salaries or something like that.  Id guess the base salaries are structured so '17 is a phony year, not sure about '16.  Cant imagine Amendola did this without some guaranteed money, so given the $1.2 in bonus amort they have to take on the cap I struggle to see how they get to something under a low $3MM cap hit for this year.  We'll know soon enough I guess.
 
Right.  Here's Miguel's idea of what might be possible and what he expects this likely looks look.  The tl/dr is that they can shave off about $2 million (to $3.7m) by increasing dead money over the next three years.
 
 
 
Here’s one example: In return for a $3 million signing bonus Amendola agrees to lower his salaries to $1 million, $2 million, $3 million, respectively. His 2015/2016/2017 cap numbers would all be lowered by $2 million each to $3.7 million, $4.7 million, and $5.7 million respectively. The downside of doing this type of deal is that it increases Amendola’s dead money hit for all 3 years. - See more at: http://www.patsfans.com/salary-cap/?p=1394#sthash.Hd9pHvcF.dpuf
 
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Good deal for both sides. Pats get cap room, Amen$ gets some insurance against being cut. 
 
Bad for Harvin and other slot guys who may have wanted to come here. 
 

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Good deal for both sides. Pats get cap room, Amen$ gets some insurance against being cut. 
 
Bad for Harvin and other slot guys who may have wanted to come here. 
Yeah I imagine that Harvin would want to go to a team that would make him the #1 or #2 receiver. That likely won't be the Patriots.
 

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Perhaps the door is closing for Harvin but opening for Reggie Bush. 

Edit: Sorry - see this is discussed in other threads. 
 

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Miguel has tweeted his estimate of what this likely means.  I bet he nails it pretty close.  It's worthwhile to note that while this is not Tom Brady level restructuring, Amendola did not need to do this and probably had a bit of leverage here, given that he was holding a pretty hefty dead cap number, making him hard to cut.  To cut him, the Patriots would have had to accelerate $3,600,000 and that would be his dead money hit this year, to save only $1.5 million on the cap.  Would they have done it?  Possibly, but this is a bluff that I think a decent number of players in Amendola's position would have called -- are they going to replace him for $1.5 million next year?  
 
As Miguel sees it, Amendola gets no new cash this year.  The only thing that's in it for him, is that his $4,000,000 salary is converted into a $3,000,000 signing bonus, plus $1,000,000 in salary.  So, instead of getting paid $250,000 per week this year (as under his current contract) he gets $3,000,000 now and $62,500 per game. That's something, to be sure.  But, in exchange, he gives the Patriots back $3,750,000 in salary in the next two years, taking a $2,000,000 pay cut in 2016 and a $1,750,000 pay cut in 2017.  That $3,750,000 translates directly into cap savings for the Patriots, and Miguel sees them taking $2 million of it this year, $1,000,000 of it next year, and $750,000 of it in 2017.  
 
The only cost to the Patriots is an increase in the cost to cut him in 2016 and 2017 -- it goes up each year $1,000,000 (from $2.4 million to $3.4 million next year and from $1.2 million to $2.2 million in 2017).  In other words the most simple way to think of this is that the Patriots converted $3,000,000 in salary this year into signing bonus so they can spread it out, and Amendola took a pay cut to ensure that his overall cap number over the next three years would go down.
 
Again, I don't know if Miguel has it right, but I bet he's pretty damned close, and more important, this was a really cooperative move by Amendola.  I'm sure some would say that he didn't exactly earn the $10 million he received in the last two years, and so throwing us back $3,750,000 is only fair.  Fair enough, but you don't really ever see a team saying to a player, "hey you overperformed the last couple of years, so here's more money."  Thumbs up to Amendola.  
 
https://twitter.com/patscap/status/576074842233012225
 

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They could have cut him post June 1st and spread that over two seasons.  The big prize for the Pats from cutting him would have been that $4.5MM of '15 salary/roster bonus that would have never hit the cap.  Good deal for Amendola if Miguel's guess is right in that he still will get that $4.5MM of cash he was slated to make this year, not sure there was much more out there on the open market. 
 

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I wonder if the Pats allowed him to ask around about his value, like they did with Browner. Otherwise I'm kind of surprised he'd agree to this.
 

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So, to put a bow on it.  He takes a 2,250,000 pay cut for this year (2,750,000 in salary cut, but he gets a $500,000 signing bonus).
 
The complete salary cut comes off this year's cap, but add back in the 1/3 pro-ration of the $500,000 signing bonus.  So:
 
2,750,000 2015 salary reduction
166,500 (rounded) in pro rated salary cap
2,558,500 (rounded) salary cap savings.
 
Tack on 1/3 of the signing bonus to the cap hit and dead cap for 2016 and 2017.   So, 2016 cap hit of 6,865,000 (rounded) and dead money of 2,733,000 (rounded) and 2017 cap hit of 7,865,000 (rounded) and dead money of 1,366,500 (rounded).
 
https://twitter.com/patscap/status/576476440037859328