Patriots Training Camp 2024

[Garshaparra]

The idea that the only problem with last years Patriots team was the QB doesn't sync up with how bad the roster was, and probably is still to an extent.

Mac was the main culprit, but every position group on offense besides RB needed an upgrade and it's incredibly difficult to achieve that in a single off season.

I disagree: RB actually needed an upgrade too! They paid Rham pretty well (not top 10, but not terrible), but with his injury history and so much RB1 movement this offseason, it seems wild they did not improve the 2nd back. In addition, 3rd down hands back hasn't been great, and I don't see Kevin Harris improving sufficiently to fill that role in year 3 *. They still didn't get an FB, and I'll will harp on this til the cows come home - it's a really important part of a West coast scheme (see Juszczyk, Kyle).

* Kevin Harris has apparently been cut, along with Jennings: https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/08/27/patriots-waiving-two-preseason-standout-running-backs/

 

[Saints Rest]

I disagree: RB actually needed an upgrade too! They paid Rham pretty well (not top 10, but not terrible), but with his injury history and so much RB1 movement this offseason, it seems wild they did not improve the 2nd back. In addition, 3rd down hands back hasn't been great, and I don't see Kevin Harris improving sufficiently to fill that role in year 3 *. They still didn't get an FB, and I'll will harp on this til the cows come home - it's a really important part of a West coast scheme (see Juszczyk, Kyle).

* Kevin Harris has apparently been cut, along with Jennings: https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/08/27/patriots-waiving-two-preseason-standout-running-backs/

As I posted on the Misc NFL thread, old Patriot Jakob Johnson was cut today.

 

[Cellar-Door]

I disagree: RB actually needed an upgrade too! They paid Rham pretty well (not top 10, but not terrible), but with his injury history and so much RB1 movement this offseason, it seems wild they did not improve the 2nd back. In addition, 3rd down hands back hasn't been great, and I don't see Kevin Harris improving sufficiently to fill that role in year 3 *. They still didn't get an FB, and I'll will harp on this til the cows come home - it's a really important part of a West coast scheme (see Juszczyk, Kyle).

* Kevin Harris has apparently been cut, along with Jennings: https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/08/27/patriots-waiving-two-preseason-standout-running-backs/

Huh? They significantly improved the 2nd back, Antonio Gibson is both good and young and he's one of the better passcatchers in the league.

As to FB.... many WC schemes don't use them, including the one AVP is coming from, CLE didn't roster a FB last year, they might occasionally use an H-back, where they added Hooper/Bell, but it's generally not a particularly widespread position in the WC scheme.

 

[cshea]

They signed Antonio Gibson who is arguably an upgrade to Zeke. More YPC last year and is a better receiver. Played in a similar shit show last year (WSH) that Zeke did. Biggest issue is fumbling, has a 1000+ yard season on his resume.

As far as I can tell, AVP has never had a fullback as an OC.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

Ok. But GMs are generally judged on the results of what they do. That they tried to sign guys but couldn’t isn’t really a super compelling defense. Part of a GM’s job is selling players on their vision and the role they would play in it. Nobody being willing to take the money you are offering isn’t really a point in the GM’s favor, IMO (although it clearly goes way beyond Wolf).

Agree that it’s a long term fix- but there was a lot of noise about how the only problem was the QB, no?

This comes off as looking for an axe to grind, in part based on a single draft and offseason where it is too soon to evaluate.

 

[RoDaddy]

Pretty ho-hum predictable cuts so far. Was somewhat surprised by the Sam Roberts cut given Barmore's injury but he wasn't anything special. Bledsoe looked pretty good but...

The Zappe cut must mean they think Milton has some potential beyond the big arm and back-flipping big smile

 

[NextBigThing8184]

Pretty ho-hum predictable cuts so far. Was somewhat surprised by the Sam Roberts cut given Barmore's injury but he wasn't anything special. Bledsoe looked pretty good but...

The Zappe cut must mean they think Milton has some potential beyond the big arm and back-flipping big smile

the team is going to be terrible, if ever there were a roster to stash a lottery ticket QB, this is one of them

players 40–65 on this years Pats team (and practice squad) will mostly be fungible waiver wire and garbage heap quality players.

On a better roster, Milton probably would be headed for waivers given he showed next to nothing in preseason beyond what we already saw in college (big arm, no accuracy)

 

[Cellar-Door]

Pretty ho-hum predictable cuts so far. Was somewhat surprised by the Sam Roberts cut given Barmore's injury but he wasn't anything special. Bledsoe looked pretty good but...

The Zappe cut must mean they think Milton has some potential beyond the big arm and back-flipping big smile

Zappe isn't a guy you roster honestly, if Milton weren't here we probably go 2 QB and add Zappe or someone else to the PS.

Edit- especially with the new Emergency QB rules, only reason to carry a 3rd QB is if he has upside

 

[JohnnyK]

Edit- especially with the new Emergency QB rules, only reason to carry a 3rd QB is if he has upside

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nflpa-vetoes-quarterback-rule-change-emergency-qb-still-must-be-on-53-man-roster/

Earlier this offseason, NFL owners approved a rule that will allow emergency third quarterback to be called up an unlimited number of times from the practice squad. The NFL announced they would be expanding the Standard Elevation, but after review, the NFL Player's Association (NFLPA) has vetoed the rule change, according to the NFL Network.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

Milton's best hope of an NFL career is probably as a Taysom Hill type of jack of all trades.

 

[DJnVa]

Agree that it’s a long term fix- but there was a lot of noise about how the only problem was the QB, no?

No.

 

[NickEsasky]

No.

Seriously?

I read countless times here that we were average QB play away from a playoff contender last year.

 

[Dogman]

You did read that. But it was not an acknowledgement that QB was the only problem, as PiaB was saying.

QB was the biggest problem. It's been widely known and recognized by everyone that QB, WR, OL, K, and health were problems last year. The biggest one was QB and with average QB play, the WR, OL, and K problems would not have been as apparent or detrimental as they were with two of worst QBs in the league getting all the starts. But you know this.

 

[NickEsasky]

You did read that. But it was not an acknowledgement that QB was the only problem, as PiaB was saying.

QB was the biggest problem. It's been widely known and recognized by everyone that QB, WR, OL, K, and health were problems last year. The biggest one was QB and with average QB play, the WR, OL, and K problems would not have been as apparent or detrimental as they were with two of worst QBs in the league getting all the starts. But you know this.

No actually I don’t know this. Plenty of people on this board speak in superlatives. Because you don’t doesn’t mean quite a few people here didn’t believe quarterback play was the only problem. Not trying to pick a fight here, with DJ or anyone else, but felt the need to reply to his “No.” post.

 

[DJnVa]

No actually I don’t know this. Plenty of people on this board speak in superlatives. Because you don’t doesn’t mean quite a few people here didn’t believe quarterback play was the only problem. Not trying to pick a fight here, with DJ or anyone else, but felt the need to reply to his “No.” post.

I’m sorry, if you think this board thought QB was the only problem I don’t know how to respond to that.

 

[NickEsasky]

I’m sorry, if you think this board thought QB was the only problem I don’t know how to respond to that.

Hand up. I just reread the post you responded to and realized he said only problem. My bad.

 

[Petagine in a Bottle]

Ok, fair enough. The word only is not a fair characterization of the claims made about the issues with last years team and not one I should have used- that’s my bad.

 

[Dogman]

No actually I don’t know this. Plenty of people on this board speak in superlatives. Because you don’t doesn’t mean quite a few people here didn’t believe quarterback play was the only problem. Not trying to pick a fight here, with DJ or anyone else, but felt the need to reply to his “No.” post.

I'd never pick a fight with someone who breaks femurs and knees and shit.

@Reverend

 

[NickEsasky]

True story, Protect Ya Knees, was the first draft of the Wu Tang song but Ice Cube told RZA neck worked better while showing him his porcelain doll collection.

 

[jercra]

I think Coach Bill provided a little bit of a "tell" on Mayo's thinking during his (BB) appearance on the McAfee Show yesterday. Paraphrasing, he (BB) indicated that no one should take anything away from preseason because defenses aren't doing anything exotic or disguising, and teams aren't game planning for opposing offenses. All teams are just evaluating basic player skills.

So with regard to Brissett vs. Maye, it's true that Maye has outperformed Brissett in the preseason games. It is also true that Maye still hasn't faced anyone or anything approaching the scale of what he would see if he started in Cincinnati, i.e. minimal game time vs. defensive starters and virtually no experience vs. a game planned defensive scheme.

This is why I think Brissett will start for the first few games... give Maye more time to see how game plans are put together, executed, and what "issues" arise during games that need to be addressed. Throwing him to the wolves on Day 1 just because he can run around a little better than Brissett behind a shaky line isn't going to materially change the outcome of the season.

How does this work? Maye will watch more game film if he's not playing? He can't watch enough film from years past to see how the D schemes that he needs 3-4 weeks of watching how they scheme against Brissett to understand? Will they really scheme the same against a mobile rookie as they do a known average pocket passer? Do they not practice with complex schemes? I really would like to understand how he'll learn more from the sidelines and practicing with the 2s than being in the games with no concerns over whether they win or lose. If he throws 5 picks, they lose. If Brissett plays, they lose.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Geron Christian might be

How does this work? Maye will watch more game film if he's not playing? He can't watch enough film from years past to see how the D schemes that he needs 3-4 weeks of watching how they scheme against Brissett to understand? Will they really scheme the same against a mobile rookie as they do a known average pocket passer? Do they not practice with complex schemes? I really would like to understand how he'll learn more from the sidelines and practicing with the 2s than being in the games with no concerns over whether they win or lose. If he throws 5 picks, they lose. If Brissett plays, they lose.

Hypothetically?

You learn different things. The in-week work is pretty similar, less practice reps, but same film work etc. On game-days, as the backup he would be looped into each play call, and the All-22, so he would be making pre-snap reads, assessing plays etc in real time without the burden of the physical side, giving him more time to analyze what he is seeing, go over it with QB coach, etc.

Playing will always give you more physical reps, and experience with making reads in rhythm, but for an inexperienced guy there can be value to getting to learn how defenses work, what opponents are doing, how to counter, etc. in an environment where you are able to focus on that (and perhaps see a lot more, because the vet will make less mistakes). Basically it's more of a 2 step process, instead of trying to learn 20 things at once, you're focusing on 10 with more depth, then applying that later when you start working the other 10. Some guys need that, because they can't do both at once, other guys can.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

How does this work? Maye will watch more game film if he's not playing? He can't watch enough film from years past to see how the D schemes that he needs 3-4 weeks of watching how they scheme against Brissett to understand? Will they really scheme the same against a mobile rookie as they do a known average pocket passer? Do they not practice with complex schemes? I really would like to understand how he'll learn more from the sidelines and practicing with the 2s than being in the games with no concerns over whether they win or lose. If he throws 5 picks, they lose. If Brissett plays, they lose.

Either Maye can run all of the plays and make all of the adjustments, etc., that AVP has in the offense, or AVP needs to game plan around Maye's limitations - dumb the offense down for him, so to speak. For me it is not hard to believe that every additional week working in the offense is going to improve Maye's understanding and command of it.

 

[rodderick]

I think Coach Bill provided a little bit of a "tell" on Mayo's thinking during his (BB) appearance on the McAfee Show yesterday. Paraphrasing, he (BB) indicated that no one should take anything away from preseason because defenses aren't doing anything exotic or disguising, and teams aren't game planning for opposing offenses. All teams are just evaluating basic player skills.

So with regard to Brissett vs. Maye, it's true that Maye has outperformed Brissett in the preseason games. It is also true that Maye still hasn't faced anyone or anything approaching the scale of what he would see if he started in Cincinnati, i.e. minimal game time vs. defensive starters and virtually no experience vs. a game planned defensive scheme.

This is why I think Brissett will start for the first few games... give Maye more time to see how game plans are put together, executed, and what "issues" arise during games that need to be addressed. Throwing him to the wolves on Day 1 just because he can run around a little better than Brissett behind a shaky line isn't going to materially change the outcome of the season.

I never loved this rationale because while it's true that defenses are running vanilla schemes, it's not like the offenses are putting their best stuff on tape either. Everyone is running basic concepts on both sides of the ball, so sure, preseason isn't necessarily an accurate gauge of how good a player is, but while we can point to guys like DTR who looked like a world beater in preseason and ended up struggling mightily when live bullets flew, there's also CJ Stroud who looked clueless in preseason, but much more comfortable with an actual gameplan. It's all a guessing game to some extent, but the QB also has something to gain by teams actually preparing and putting their best plays on the table.

Seems to me as if Bill still approaches the game with a defensive mindset and believes offense is simpler/easier and can always be countered by great scheming on the other side of the ball. Which may help explain why he's on Pat McAfee in late August.

 

[lexrageorge]

I never loved this rationale because while it's true that defenses are running vanilla schemes, it's not like the offenses are putting their best stuff on tape either. Everyone is running basic concepts on both sides of the ball, so sure, preseason isn't necessarily an accurate gauge of how good a player is, but while we can point to guys like DTR who looked like a world beater in preseason and ended up struggling mightily when live bullets flew, there's also CJ Stroud who looked clueless in preseason, but much more comfortable with an actual gameplan. It's all a guessing game to some extent, but the QB also has something to gain by teams actually preparing and putting their best plays on the table.

Seems to me as if Bill still approaches the game with a defensive mindset and believes offense is simpler/easier and can always be countered by great scheming on the other side of the ball. Which may help explain why he's on Pat McAfee in late August.

You're reading far more into what Bill said than what was intended. His main point was discussing preseason performance, and gave one key factor (defensive personnel and game planning) when it came to evaluating QB's. He never said it was the only factor.

I'll point out the segment in A Football Life where Bill is discussing with Brady some ideas on how to game plan around safety Ed Reed. Patriots' offenses were plenty complex back in the day, until they ended up with a first round QB that couldn't figure out either complex offenses or defenses. That same QB, btw, looked as good in his 2020 preseason as he did in this year's preseason for the Jaguars.

 

[Silverdude2167]

I never loved this rationale because while it's true that defenses are running vanilla schemes, it's not like the offenses are putting their best stuff on tape either. Everyone is running basic concepts on both sides of the ball, so sure, preseason isn't necessarily an accurate gauge of how good a player is, but while we can point to guys like DTR who looked like a world beater in preseason and ended up struggling mightily when live bullets flew, there's also CJ Stroud who looked clueless in preseason, but much more comfortable with an actual gameplan. It's all a guessing game to some extent, but the QB also has something to gain by teams actually preparing and putting their best plays on the table.

Seems to me as if Bill still approaches the game with a defensive mindset and believes offense is simpler/easier and can always be countered by great scheming on the other side of the ball. Which may help explain why he's on Pat McAfee in late August.

You don't love the rationale yet you note that neither offense or defense is doing anything beyond the basics.
Isn't that proving out exactly what BB was saying?

Also maybe CJ Stroud looked clueless in games but looked great in practice where they are doing more than running the basics, again pointing out that very little should be taken from preseason games.

Finally, the guy has shut down the best offenses in history, he might be right about offense being simpler and that there is always a counter to them.

 

[DJnVa]

Hand up. I just reread the post you responded to and realized he said only problem. My bad.

FIST BUMP

 

[DJnVa]

Either Maye can run all of the plays and make all of the adjustments, etc., that AVP has in the offense, or AVP needs to game plan around Maye's limitations - dumb the offense down for him, so to speak. For me it is not hard to believe that every additional week working in the offense is going to improve Maye's understanding and command of it.

There's also talk that if he sits 4 or 5 games and then plays the rest of the season, it's the game equivalent of a college season, and maybe less chance of hitting a rookie wall.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Hand up. I just reread the post you responded to and realized he said only problem. My bad.

Admitting you're mistaken is no way to get ahead on this board, bub.

 

[NickEsasky]

Admitting you're mistaken is no way to get ahead on this board, bub.

Let's be honest, I have been here for nearly 25 years now and we all know I'm destined to remain in the mediocre middle of the curve.

 

[Reverend]

I'd never pick a fight with someone who breaks femurs and knees and shit.

@Reverend
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The curse of Mac Jones; how long will he continue to haunt the halls of this forum?

@daverobertsshoes , rest in piece, mended my knee, but will this forum ever be repaired the damage of that ill fortune pick? Shall we long be blinded by decisions and events surrounding Mac Fucking Jones?

 

[E5 Yaz]

Let's be honest, I have been here for nearly 25 years now and we all know I'm destined to remain in the mediocre middle of the curve.

Let's be honest ... mediocre is way beyond the middle of the curve

 

[Jinhocho]

Let's be honest ... mediocre is way beyond the middle of the curve

That make me really old then. You are a chieftain alum right or is my old ass mixing names again?

 

[jercra]

Geron Christian might be

Hypothetically?

You learn different things. The in-week work is pretty similar, less practice reps, but same film work etc. On game-days, as the backup he would be looped into each play call, and the All-22, so he would be making pre-snap reads, assessing plays etc in real time without the burden of the physical side, giving him more time to analyze what he is seeing, go over it with QB coach, etc.

Playing will always give you more physical reps, and experience with making reads in rhythm, but for an inexperienced guy there can be value to getting to learn how defenses work, what opponents are doing, how to counter, etc. in an environment where you are able to focus on that (and perhaps see a lot more, because the vet will make less mistakes). Basically it's more of a 2 step process, instead of trying to learn 20 things at once, you're focusing on 10 with more depth, then applying that later when you start working the other 10. Some guys need that, because they can't do both at once, other guys can.

I guess what I don't understand is how much value this is from week to week vs the many, many years of film and coaches audio available. Like, is there something special about being on the sidelines and watching vs watching on Monday morning in the film room? All 22s exist for every game, not just the precious game. To me it would seem that watching all 22s from teams with similar QBs and offenses would be much more valuable than watching them from the day before, just because it was the day before.

 

[Cellar-Door]

I guess what I don't understand is how much value this is from week to week vs the many, many years of film and coaches audio available. Like, is there something special about being on the sidelines and watching vs watching on Monday morning in the film room? All 22s exist for every game, not just the precious game. To me it would seem that watching all 22s from teams with similar QBs and offenses would be much more valuable than watching them from the day before, just because it was the day before.

It's not the next day, it's live, you are practicing live how you would approach a play, why it worked, why it didn't. How defenses react to YOUR plays, and your personnel. He's not watching to learn the offense, he's watching to learn how defenses play and react in real time without the downside of avoiding a rush, or throwing a pick or taking a hit. I would guess his QB coach will be with him on game day saying "what do you see..." and "Why did Jacoby check to that", or "what did Jacoby miss?" etc. The hardest part of being an NFL QB for the guys with the physical tools is understanding in real time how to identify pre and post snap what the defense is doing and how that impacts your offensive play. We talked a lot about how Mac never seemed to be able to identify where the pressure was coming from, or with other QBs we talk about how they have to see the guy open before they throw because they can't read and anticipate. It's one of the most important things a QB needs to learn, and being able to practice it in real time, second by second has value you can't really reproduce just by watching old games (though that is where you learn the base concepts).


Edit- I'd also say part of sitting a guy is to fix bad habits, and prevent new ones. Our last QB is an example of a guy who when the game got too fast for him had terrible habits. We heard after his 1st year that he was working on stepping into throws, fixing his footwork, etc. Then when he faced real defenses.... he couldn't figure out where to expect pressure from, so as soon as he was hit once he was seeing ghosts and bailing out of good pockets, throwing while fading away, etc. Snowballed into a complete collapse of his pocket presence.

 

[jercra]

Can he see all of that from the sidelines? Id think film would be way more instructive than looking from the sidelines. Can he really see the safety sliding over or the DL change it's play in real time? Isn't the reason the people calling the plays are up in a booth is because they get a much better view of what's happening on the field? Wouldn't they benefit from being at field level if not? I don't know, it just doesn't make any sense to me that you learn more from the sidelines. If he needs to learn all of this stuff, make him the emergency QB and put him up in the booth with the people who know best what's going on and can teach him the most.

And I take no lessons from Mac Jones. A year on the sidelines would have made him a bad QB a year later. I think people have Mac shock.

 

[P'tucket rhymes with...]

Can he see all of that from the sidelines? Id think film would be way more instructive than looking from the sidelines. Can he really see the safety sliding over or the DL change it's play in real time? Isn't the reason the people calling the plays are up in a booth is because they get a much better view of what's happening on the field? Wouldn't they benefit from being at field level if not? I don't know, it just doesn't make any sense to me that you learn more from the sidelines. If he needs to learn all of this stuff, make him the emergency QB and put him up in the booth with the people who know best what's going on and can teach him the most.

And I take no lessons from Mac Jones. A year on the sidelines would have made him a bad QB a year later. I think people have Mac shock.

They've been using these things called "tablets" in the NFL for a few years now. They're really cool.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

Can he see all of that from the sidelines? Id think film would be way more instructive than looking from the sidelines. Can he really see the safety sliding over or the DL change it's play in real time? Isn't the reason the people calling the plays are up in a booth is because they get a much better view of what's happening on the field? Wouldn't they benefit from being at field level if not? I don't know, it just doesn't make any sense to me that you learn more from the sidelines. If he needs to learn all of this stuff, make him the emergency QB and put him up in the booth with the people who know best what's going on and can teach him the most.

And I take no lessons from Mac Jones. A year on the sidelines would have made him a bad QB a year later. I think people have Mac shock.

Here's what I think Maye gets out if being a backup for a bit.

1. More time to gain command of the offense, which is completely new for him. I think it would have been a mistake to start Maye right off if it meant, for example, junking most of the AVP offense and running everything out of the shotgun which Maye is more familiar with. Every week he can get closer to where AVP wants him to be before handing him the keys.

2. We all expect the OL to be a horror show, but we haven't seen how it plays in actual games that matter yet. Even assuming "horror show" is correct, we don't know exactly how it will tend to break down or what can be done to mitigate the problems. Maybe it is better to learn some of that stuff before putting Maye in.

3. A few weeks of being in the loop during pregame preparation, then on the sideline watching how Brissett and the coaching staff handle game situations as they come up, and then postgame analysis via the All-22, can't possibly be bad for Maye's development.

 

[Van Everyman]

He also gets to see NFL defenses at actual game speed with non-vanilla schemes and disguises. Maye didn’t see any of that in preseason under center and watching a few games of that from the sidelines can only be a good thing. This, as I understand it, was always the plan tho Maye’s faster-than-perhaps-expected development may have made them question it a bit.

To that end, I was actually prepared for Brissett to be out week 1 w the shoulder and for—ta-dahhh—Zappe to be elevated from the PS to be the week 1 starter so they could stick to the plan and not have to rely on The Legend of Joe Milton as the only alternative. But with Zappe going to KC’s practice squad it would indeed appear we have seen the last of Bailey Zappe in a Pats uniform.

Did Wallis end up on our PS?

 

[rodderick]

Here's what I think Maye gets out if being a backup for a bit.

1. More time to gain command of the offense, which is completely new for him. I think it would have been a mistake to start Maye right off if it meant, for example, junking most of the AVP offense and running everything out of the shotgun which Maye is more familiar with. Every week he can get closer to where AVP wants him to be before handing him the keys.

2. We all expect the OL to be a horror show, but we haven't seen how it plays in actual games that matter yet. Even assuming "horror show" is correct, we don't know exactly how it will tend to break down or what can be done to mitigate the problems. Maybe it is better to learn some of that stuff before putting Maye in.

3. A few weeks of being in the loop during pregame preparation, then on the sideline watching how Brissett and the coaching staff handle game situations as they come up, and then postgame analysis via the All-22, can't possibly be bad for Maye's development.

I think it'd serve them well to put a lot of stuff Maye is comfortable with in the playbook. Burrow, Mahomes, Allen and Lamar are in shotgun 75%+ of the time, and in 2023 threw the ball out of shotgun 90% of the time. You don't have to taylor the entire game towards what the QB wants, but in 2024 a lof of what teams do is ascertain what the QB does well and try to put him in that position as often as possible. I don't really want to develop Drake Maye in order do mold him to fit AVP's offensive vision, if nothing else because I don't think AVP is necessarily a transformative offensive mind. I want to maximize his talents, and if that entails a whole lot of shotgun, so be it. We were supremely spoiled by two decades of watching the most versatile passer in terms of offensive style the league has probably ever seen. Brady was a chameleon and could perform at a high level no matter the scheme and was asked to play (and succeeded) in a variety of different ways throughout his career, but not even the elite of the elite are usually like that.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

I think it'd serve them well to put a lot of stuff Maye is comfortable with in the playbook.

Sure. But I wouldn't say that has to be mutually exclusive with wanting Maye to learn AVP's offense.

Also, I could add it to my list:

4. Seeing Maye perform in trainging camp gave AVP some ideas about new stuff to put in for him, which may take some time.

 

[SuperManny]

They've been using these things called "tablets" in the NFL for a few years now. They're really cool.

Its not clear to me what the benefit of watching a video feed on the sideline during a game would be vs watching it in a film room though

 

[joe dokes]

Its not clear to me what the benefit of watching a video feed on the sideline during a game would be vs watching it in a film room though

One advantage is that he gets to see the adjustment process take place in real time at sideline game speed.

 

[RorschachsMask]

View: https://twitter.com/Meghan_Ottolini/status/1829158954133590102

 

[bsartist618]

One advantage is that he gets to see the adjustment process take place in real time at sideline game speed.

I'm actually surprised the NFL hasn't embraced VR / simulation to train players', especially QBs, brains to recognize in-game situations quicker. Put the camera in the QB PoV and basically run a modified Madden to show the player what they will see and what to key in on pre- and post-snap.

Kind of how F1 teams use simulators to save to memory what could only otherwise be attained through hours of seat time.

 

[Patsfan1983]

I'm actually surprised the NFL hasn't embraced VR / simulation to train players', especially QBs, brains to recognize in-game situations quicker. Put the camera in the QB PoV and basically run a modified Madden to show the player what they will see and what to key in on pre- and post-snap.

Kind of how F1 teams use simulators to save to memory what could only otherwise be attained through hours of seat time.

The Patriots do this already along with other teams

 

[Justthetippett]

The Patriots do this already along with other teams

What do they use? Anything that's publicly available? Would be a great fan experience to put on the QBs VR headset.

 

[jercra]

One advantage is that he gets to see the adjustment process take place in real time at sideline game speed.

How? I don't think there's real time video available on those tablets is there? I thinks it's just replays, aka film.

 

[Patsfan1983]

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/patriots-drake-maye-virtual-reality/617232/

 

[bsartist618]

Well I guess I shouldn't be surprised then

And of course Felger hates it...

 

[rodderick]

I don't think sitting during a game has any benefits to the player. Seeing how a veteran prepares for a game week, having more time to study the playbook and rep in practice with the sole focus on improving instead of specifically performing in that game, that helps. Watching from the sidelines to me is kind of meaningless in terms of his growth.