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allthrough while i understanding why u choose mayo i would had went with slater here the main reason bill would had help him behind the scenes because other than L T was his fav player u would got all of bill gameplaning skill and none of bill weak points
 

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The production/age/contract fit isn’t great. He’s probably gone. But I really wish the one decent player who actively and vocally loves being on the Pats wasn’t the one they had to move on from.
 

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Lazar on the padded play in the trenches today:

There were 37 one-on-one reps between the offensive and defense lines, with the O-line having the edge at 21-13-3. The offensive line did a nice job in a drill that typically favors the pass-rushers. The standouts were Mike Onwenu (3-0) and rookie Layden Robinson (3-0), who stunned Deatrich Wise with a stiff one-handed punch for a decisive win. The pop in Robinson's hands caught the eye in the first padded session, with the rookie crediting line coach Scott Peters's strike system for him varying up his hand usage to take Wise by surprise.

The most encouraging development for the Patriots offense is that rookie Caedan Wallace, the 68th overall pick in last April's draft, is already emerging as a potential day-one starter. The naysayers will note that the Patriots don't have many other options besides Wallace and veteran free-agent addition Chuks Okorafor to be their top tackles. However, Wallace is receiving rave reviews from teammates and coaches for how quickly he's picking up the offensive system and technique corrections given to him by the staff.

With three of the Patriots top pass-rushers unavailable for the majority of the team periods, the defense leaned more on veteran Oshane Ximines rushing off the edge. Ximines rotated in with the top defensive line along with Anfernee Jennings and Keion White. Ximines's speed and bend to turn the corner stood out. He smoked Tyrone Wheatley with a speed rush in one-on-ones, went around Vederian Lowe in team, and then logged an unblocked pressure with the line blocking down in another 11-on-11 rep.

Although stats don't tell the whole story, Maye struggled to complete passes in his first padded session as a pro (3-of-11 with an interception). Some of those incompletions were arguably dropped passes, while the backup offensive line didn't do Maye any favors either (LT Calvin Anderson, LG Michael Jordan, C Atonio Mafi, RG Layden Robinson, and RT Vederian Lowe)... By all accounts, Maye looks the part from a physical tools perspective. But the rookie's timing and problem-solving are clearly behind Brissett's at this juncture, which isn't surprising.


https://www.patriots.com/news/trench-report-six-observations-from-day-one-in-pads-for-the-patriots-offensive-and-defensive-lines
 

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Jesus. What a disaster Kraft has foisted upon us all. Three SoSH pages into training camp compared to years gone by when we’d be 10 in pages in by now at least.. and all reports are Maye sucks and so does everyone else. And our only good players are hurt or want out. Mayo is scrambling for explanations. This season and the next few will rival the early 90s. RKK owns this.
 

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Gresh and Fauria were absolutely roasting the Pats in the last hour for how this is looking with Godcheax and Judon and the lacksadaisical nature of things so far.
Did they acknowledge that Judon did a "hold in" last year, too?

I think they should give him a few million it makes him happy but I would not be looking to extend him.

Trading him is an option, but if he's not going to show up and play who would want him?
 

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Did they acknowledge that Judon did a "hold in" last year, too?

I think they should give him a few million it makes him happy but I would not be looking to extend him.

Trading him is an option, but if he's not going to show up and play who would want him?
it wasn’t specifically about the hold in. It was (the Judon part anyway) that Judon was just sitting on the pass they needed to use for a drill. Apparently a really bad look for Mayo who appeared to have like no control of the situation and was allowing Judon to just do whatever he wanted.

It was something like that anyway.
 

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Jesus. What a disaster Kraft has foisted upon us all. Three SoSH pages into training camp compared to years gone by when we’d be 10 in pages in by now at least.. and all reports are Maye sucks and so does everyone else. And our only good players are hurt or want out. Mayo is scrambling for explanations. This season and the next few will rival the early 90s. RKK owns this.
Maye is a 21 year old rookie playing in his first padded practice with the backup offensive line.

We all knew this is a project that would take time.
 

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Maye is a 21 year old rookie playing in his first padded practice with the backup offensive line.

We all knew this is a project that would take time.
The above, along with the basic fact that Maye was not drafted to be the Week 1 starter, should be a sticky.

it wasn’t specifically about the hold in. It was (the Judon part anyway) that Judon was just sitting on the pass they needed to use for a drill. Apparently a really bad look for Mayo who appeared to have like no control of the situation and was allowing Judon to just do whatever he wanted.

It was something like that anyway.
The report I heard is that Judon never put on his pads, and refused to participate in the early drills. And he was soon after sent to the locker room after a conversation with Mayo. So the idea that Mayo was allowing Judon to "just do whatever he wanted" is likely incorrect.
 

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Jesus. What a disaster Kraft has foisted upon us all. Three SoSH pages into training camp compared to years gone by when we’d be 10 in pages in by now at least.. and all reports are Maye sucks and so does everyone else. And our only good players are hurt or want out. Mayo is scrambling for explanations. This season and the next few will rival the early 90s. RKK owns this.
Holy doompost, Batman!
Look, I know they aren't going to be a contender this year. But come on, man with the hyperbole.
 

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The above, along with the basic fact that Maye was not drafted to be the Week 1 starter, should be a sticky.


The report I heard is that Judon never put on his pads, and refused to participate in the early drills. And he was soon after sent to the locker room after a conversation with Mayo. So the idea that Mayo was allowing Judon to "just do whatever he wanted" is likely incorrect.
And then he came back out and got into it with Groh and Wolf. It’s not a good look but I’m also not sure it’s necessarily the end of days for Mayo and team culture.

With Barmore out they’re going to need some pass rush help. It sounds like Godchaux may be closer to a deal. Here’s hoping they work something out with Judon, who is a difference maker on this defense.
 

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But I really wish the one decent player who actively and vocally loves being on the Pats wasn’t the one they had to move on from.
Eh, I think the rah-rah from Judon was directly tied to how happy he was with BB's system, which let him loose and allowed him to flourish, as well as the solid FA contract he received 4 years ago. BB is gone, he lost nearly a year of stats to serious injury, and his contract is nearly up. A 31 YO edge guy is going to want 3-4 more years' worth of (mostly) guaranteed money. As always, NFL careers are short, and top guys usually get 3 bites at the apple. That first bite is a rookie contract, deliberately low dollars, though with a lot of guarantees for 4-5 years of play. The second bite are for those that succeeded, again usually 3-5 years tops. A third bite comes in their late 20s-30s, and except for QBs and kickers, that's usually the last shot at real money.
 

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Jesus. What a disaster Kraft has foisted upon us all. Three SoSH pages into training camp compared to years gone by when we’d be 10 in pages in by now at least.. and all reports are Maye sucks and so does everyone else. And our only good players are hurt or want out. Mayo is scrambling for explanations. This season and the next few will rival the early 90s. RKK owns this.
I've got my sarcasm detector turned on and have looked this post over a few time, and I have to admit that I'm stumped about if this post is sincere or sarcasm.
 

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I just can't blame Judon, he literally is running out of time to get his last decent deal before his career sunsets, and i dont blame him for looking at this, well let's call it what it is currently, a dumpster fire here! It's clear they dont want to commit long term to him and he doesn't want to short term commit to the Patriots. Any teams that need edge rushing and have some LT depth they can part with?

I look at the Steelers and so wish we did what they did with signing a cheaper vet qb or use low value trade capital to acquire one and build the line in the draft. They now have 2 capable qb's with a solid and young offensive line. In one draft they went from near the bottom to middle of the pack upper half in O-line rankings...
 

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On the positive side:
  • Seems like Javon Baker is making a highlight reel play a day. Also got dinged by Mayo for an early celebration before a play was complete (apparently tossed the ball up into the air after a completion), so it's not all sunshine and roses, but Baker's name seems to be popping up frequently in the practice reports.
  • Ditto for Tyquan Thornton. Consensus seems to be he's having his best camp yet (an admittedly low bar to clear).
  • Seems like the OL, while not great, has improved. Wallace - Sow - Andrews - Onwenu - Okorafor seems to he the current starting OL. Perry and Lazar had good things to say about Robinson, too.
 

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Holy doompost, Batman!
Look, I know they aren't going to be a contender this year. But come on, man with the hyperbole.
But, with a legit QB, they are a playoff team!

If they do trade him, who will convince all the other big name players to sign with the Pats on Twitter?
 
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BaseballJones

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Back to Judon, looks like he didn't show up today (or was told not to) and the gap between the two sides is large.

View: https://twitter.com/PhilAPerry/status/1818307493031727385
Trade him. The Pats aren't making the playoffs without him, or even with him. He's in his 30s and wants quite a bit of money. Trade him now while he's still got gas in the tank and is healthy. I'd expect they could get a pretty decent return for him.
 

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Trade him. The Pats aren't making the playoffs without him, or even with him. He's in his 30s and wants quite a bit of money. Trade him now while he's still got gas in the tank and is healthy. I'd expect they could get a pretty decent return for him.
I'd take a 4th back for him at this point, looking for a big contract, wrong side of 30, coming off an injury and has faded down the stretch in most years. He's a great player but I'm not sure he's a good fit on a rebuilding team at this stage of his career.
 

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Trade him. The Pats aren't making the playoffs without him, or even with him. He's in his 30s and wants quite a bit of money. Trade him now while he's still got gas in the tank and is healthy. I'd expect they could get a pretty decent return for him.
I agree with the idea of trading him seems like the only move, but what do you consider a decent return? I think it’s a lot lower than people expect, probably around a 5th, because the acquiring team also will have to extend him well into his 30’s and knows the Pats need to move him.

These kind of deals almost always never fetch much of a return
 

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I agree with the idea of trading him seems like the only move, but what do you consider a decent return? I think it’s a lot lower than people expect, probably around a 5th, because the acquiring team also will have to extend him well into his 30’s and knows the Pats need to move him.

These kind of deals almost always never fetch much of a return
Yeah a 3rd or 4th would be great. I love the guy and he's still a really good player, but the Pats don't need this, and he won't be worth the money. Now, they do have money available for now if they just want to bite the bullet and give him something, but I don't know if it's worth it, and I'd rather just move on.
 

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The Haason Reddick trade seems like a reasonable comp. The Jets gave up a 2026 3rd that can convert to a 2nd based on snaps and performance. Reddick is entering his age 30 season, grumpy about his contract (holding out currently) and in the final year of his deal.

Judon is older and coming off injury so he has less value than Reddick, but a 4th round pick as a return doesn't seem unreasonable to me. I'd take a higher pick if it was shoved 2 or 3 drafts into the future, too.
 

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Trade is in the interest of both parties. Part on good terms. Get a reasonable return and get him somewhere decent. Really not that hard. This team needs as many bites in the draft as possible and Judon can go get a sizeable short term guarantee from a team on a different timetable.
 

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There’s like 60 posts a day in the forum. We need more threads! It’s amazing how dead this place is.
Is it though? The Pats look like one of the worst teams in the league and their high draft pick QB may not start. Belichick is gone. There aren’t really any big name stars on the team.

After the last 25 or so years this was inevitable, but it seems like interest going into this year may be as low as it has been since…the early 90’s?
 

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Is it though? The Pats look like one of the worst teams in the league and their high draft pick QB may not start. Belichick is gone. There aren’t really any big name stars on the team.

After the last 25 or so years this was inevitable, but it seems like interest going into this year may be as low as it has been since…the early 90’s?
Has there been any worse bandwagon jumping than this? Our best defensive player is out with blood clots and there’s 6 posts.

I’m assuming the wine and cheese crowd is going to stop going to games.

It’s rather pathetic. There’s probably more posts in the Minor League Forums.
 

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Has there been any worse bandwagon jumping than this? Our best defensive player is out with blood clots and there’s 6 posts.

I’m assuming the wine and cheese crowd is going to stop going to games.

It’s rather pathetic. There’s probably more posts in the Minor League Forums.
I feel like there’s just not all that much to say. They’re going to be bad. They will have some interesting young players. Those players won’t show much without pads on. What’s there to talk about right now?

I’m way more interested in this year vs the last three, just my interest is in different activities. I have almost no investment in the 53 man roster because we don’t have 53 players to care about. I will be absolutely glued to the preseason games that I typically skipped in previous years because of Maye, Polk, Baker, Wallace, et al. Having very low expectations has shifted what I care about, but I’m really excited to see if we have the making of a good young team in this group.
 

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Has there been any worse bandwagon jumping than this? Our best defensive player is out with blood clots and there’s 6 posts.

I’m assuming the wine and cheese crowd is going to stop going to games.

It’s rather pathetic. There’s probably more posts in the Minor League Forums.
Watching bad teams sucks. Watching bad AND boring teams is even worse. This team has been a gigantic snooze on offense since Brady left. I still think the team will get decent viewership once the season starts because Sox will be done and Celtics won’t be going for a couple months.
 

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Watching bad teams sucks. Watching bad AND boring teams is even worse. This team has been a gigantic snooze on offense since Brady left. I still think the team will get decent viewership once the season starts because Sox will be done and Celtics won’t be going for a couple months.
I know I will watch every game (if not at the time, by DVR). I love the Pats, no matter what. Of course you're right that it's not very fun watching your team if they're bad. But, well, I'm hooked.
 

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Has there been any worse bandwagon jumping than this? Our best defensive player is out with blood clots and there’s 6 posts.

I’m assuming the wine and cheese crowd is going to stop going to games.

It’s rather pathetic. There’s probably more posts in the Minor League Forums.
Should we fill up the blood-clot thread with posts of "My sister's boyfriend's mother's cousin had a blood clot, and she was back waitressing in 3 weeks" type posts? Though I am sure that Barmore is taking note of who hasn't offered best wishes and thoughts/prayers to him in that thread.

I don't know about anyone else,but I've been reading the daily reports on Pats Pulpit and Patriots.Com, occasionally popping over to The Athletic. But breathlessly reposting what another reporter has.... reported... seems like a misguided use of time. Especially when 2/3 of those are free to anyone to look at.
 

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I am going to watch every Pats game this year, as I have for most of the past several seasons. I am interested this year because the past few years have been crappy teams limping along with bandaids and this year seems like the first step to a committed rebuild. I agree with everyone who thinks they are going to suck this year. I am actually on board with those who think Maye shouldn't even see the field in year 1 as the team continues to clean house and get more talent, particularly with the O line. As with all sports, I am fine watching a team I like suck as they are going through learning pains and rebuilding. I am less fine with crappy teams trying to claw their way to 6 win mediocre seasons while doing everything possible to punish younger players with tough love. I am hoping this Pats team is the former, so that next year Maye has learned behind Brissett, the Oline can provide some actual protection, and Polk/Baker/Pop show that they can grab the ball when thrown their way.
 

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We can goose this thread and forum with Joe Milton takes.

*We* will clamor for him to start and it feels like we could get a RG3/Cousins dynamic going this fall too. Let's get it!
 

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We can goose this thread and forum with Joe Milton takes.

*We* will clamor for him to start and it feels like we could get a RG3/Cousins dynamic going this fall too. Let's get it!
Joe Milton is an anagram for Michael Bishop. Or Malik Cunningham.

Edit-- meaning that it's the best part of pre-season., imagining what the shiny new toys can do.
 

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Lazar's takeaways from first week: 10 Takeaways From the First Week of Patriots Training Camp

Some nuggets:

While the Patriots bring Maye along as he learns the nuances of the quarterback position, there are early signs of life for the top offense with veteran Jacoby Brissett. Mainly, we're seeing a more competent offensive line than expected, and rookie wide receivers Ja'Lynn Polk (second round) and Javon Baker (fourth round) look like NFL receivers a week into camp.

Objectively, this is the most competent the offensive line has looked this early in camp since 2021. There are fewer "no chance" plays that led to the Patriots ranking dead-last in pass-blocking win rate a year ago.
However, third-round draft choice Caedan Wallace is trending toward being a day-one starter. Wallace has looked the part during full team drills at left tackle. He's showing early improvement with his technique and has a nice blend of power and balance with a naturally wide base.
The other promising development for the Patriots offense is that rookie receivers Ja'Lynn Polk and Javon Baker have been as advertised through six training camp practices.
Regular readers and listeners know I was a big Maye guy during the pre-draft process, and it's fair to be a bit disappointed that the third-overall pick has looked like a rookie so far.

However, let's put a few things in context. No, we aren't making excuses, but context is important. Beyond the fact that Maye is working with a backup O-Line that hasn't done him any favors, he's also a 21-year-old with only 26 collegiate starts under his belt.
The Patriots need second-year edge rusher Keion White to step up without Judon, and White has wrecked running plays in team drills. Other players in larger roles are Daniel Ekuale, Trysten Hill, and newcomer Oshane Ximines, who has had some flashes as a pass-rusher.
 

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Lazar's takeaways from first week: 10 Takeaways From the First Week of Patriots Training Camp

Some nuggets:
Every Pats podcast I've listened to has been very complimentary about Brissett. On the one hand, given the talent/experience of his backups and immediate predecessors, it might be damning him with faint praise to say he's better than what they've seen from Pats QBs recently. On the other hand, Brock Purdy and Danny Dimes, to name two, have been lousy in camp so far, so Jacoby being solid is good news.
 

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Does Judon just want out on a probable bottom 5 team?
It may be part of the equation but it's very much also likely his last bite at the apple, and he wants the bite because another major injury this year and he isn't getting another meaningful contract as a 32-year-old coming off two injury-riddled seasons (if hurt again this year).
 

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Gotta love the front office continuing to lock up key pieces from last year’s 4-13 juggernaut.
This is posted every time this happens and every time it's posted someone will say: "The defense was really fucking good. Even the offense has players worthy of new contracts. Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation."

It's not your joke per se, it's that it's been done so often. Be original.
 

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It is sort of odd to can the head of football operations / everything and then run back most of his roster. Hopefully it really was all just the QB (even though the play from the position this year should be expected to be below average at best).
 

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It is sort of odd to can the head of football operations / everything and then run back most of his roster. Hopefully it really was all just the QB (even though the play from the position this year should be expected to be below average at best).
It's even odder when the person you fire is the best to ever do it and then run it all back, since you are now saying the problem was the GOAT.