Pats Re-sign C David Andrews

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It seems the draft is coming down putting all chips in on going after an upgrade at QB whether that's trading up in a big way or trading picks for an improvement in a veteran QB (not sure if they have the cap space for this) or just hey, get younger good prospects who provide depth and develop them over the next year or two and roll with tough/big old-school football in a league that is faster but smaller and lighter.
 

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Karras also has experience all over the line, he’ll likely be asked to use that at some point when somebody goes down. Or at least to keep guys fresh.
 

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True, but TBF Karras got paid $3m from Miami. He's getting paid $1m more and not sure if he'd have gotten more anywhere else.
All I've heard is that his contract is worth "up to $4m". Does anyone have the details?

If a chunk of it is playing time incentives that would be interesting.

If both sides wanted out it probably isn't finalized, right?
 

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Why would we want out?
Use the money for something else/incentives are active roster incentives so spending $4m to have him sit there/do him a solid/whatever.

It sounds like they expected him to start when they gave him that contract & he probably expected to start.

Hard to really say without seeing the structure & knowing their conversations. But of course that's probably not going to happen, just throwing out the possibility as they're going to be butting up against the cap real quick...depending on how big of a discount Andrews took as well.
 

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I genuinely don’t think I would be surprised at Tampa Bay sending TB12 back to us for a 2027 3rd round pick at this point. This week has been amazing. They are STACKED.
 

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I'm irrationally excited about this. He's a leader on this team. So important, as others have said.

I'm pretty sure his wife is pregnant too. I wonder if that, along with his health scare made him lean more towards wanting to stick around? Also looking at all the moves they've made, and other covid opts outs coming back lead him to not wanting to miss out. Either way, I'm fired up.
 

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Quoted again so it doesn't get lost. Awesome!

This week has been like Christmas morning every day with a new present to unwrap.

But yeah... everything tells me that Off-Season Bill is trading up for a QB in the draft. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the deal is already structured and just waiting to drop the bomb on Draft Day to catch everyone looking for a QB off-guard.
 

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Pats still need someone to take Thuney’s spot. Bill likely drafts 2-3 OL, certainly Karras can compete for that spot. Not like he’s being paid big starter money either.
 

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Pats still need someone to take Thuney’s spot. Bill likely drafts 2-3 OL, certainly Karras can compete for that spot. Not like he’s being paid big starter money either.
Not really. Onwenu will most likely play there with Trent Brown playing RT. Herron as the swing, Karras provides solid depth on the interior. They'll probably draft someone late to compete with Cadjuste and others, but I think their line as is is both set and solid.
 

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Pats still need someone to take Thuney’s spot. Bill likely drafts 2-3 OL, certainly Karras can compete for that spot. Not like he’s being paid big starter money either.
I certainly hope so. Most of the top 10 OL prospects are ridiculously versatile.

Wynn and Brown are no certain things, despite the talent. Cajuste is still a twinkle in Dante's eyes from 2 years ago.
 

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It sounds like they expected him to start when they gave him that contract & he probably expected to start.
I don't think that's the case at all. I think they always had ideas of Andrews coming back--they likely told him to go see what was on the market.
 

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Not really. Onwenu will most likely play there with Trent Brown playing RT. Herron as the swing, Karras provides solid depth on the interior. They'll probably draft someone late to compete with Cadjuste and others, but I think their line as is is both set and solid.
I think they probably pick someone not that late--maybe a walker little in two or three--because you don't just want to compete with Herron and Cajuste, you want a starter for 22 and beyond. But otherwise agree.
 

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Am I missing the early reports on the numbers on this deal?
 

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I think they probably pick someone not that late--maybe a walker little in two or three--because you don't just want to compete with Herron and Cajuste, you want a starter for 22 and beyond. But otherwise agree.
I like the idea, and it's not unrealistic given their history, but couldn't that guy be Brown? I know he is only on a 1 year deal but he's only 27. He's already got his enormous payday, so perhaps he'd be more inclined to stick around this time.

They also have Wynn under control through 2022 (assuming here that they pick up his 5th year option, not guaranteed, I know).

That decision isn't due until May 3 (2 days after the draft ends). So they have some coverage there.

I guess my point is that aside from QB, they are set at most positions if they want to be, and can really let the draft come to them. If that means drafting a stud T that falls to them in round 2, great, but I don't think there is an impetus to target that position over any others.

Plus they are going to use their 2nd in a package to move up to draft Trey Lance :cool:
 

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I don't think that's the case at all. I think they always had ideas of Andrews coming back--they likely told him to go see what was on the market.
I was just going by the reporting, which is obviously not necessarily wise, but yeah.

"The Patriots didn't expect to bring back David Andrews, which is why they turned to Ted Karras on Wednesday. Wide receiver Julian Edelman even posted a goodbye to David Andrews via Instagram on Thursday. Change of plans, and Andrews is back. " - Kyed

View: https://twitter.com/DougKyed/status/1372736613021794308?s=19
 

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I like the idea, and it's not unrealistic given their history, but couldn't that guy be Brown? I know he is only on a 1 year deal but he's only 27. He's already got his enormous payday, so perhaps he'd be more inclined to stick around this time.

They also have Wynn under control through 2022 (assuming here that they pick up his 5th year option, not guaranteed, I know).

That decision isn't due until May 3 (2 days after the draft ends). So they have some coverage there.

I guess my point is that aside from QB, they are set at most positions if they want to be, and can really let the draft come to them. If that means drafting a stud T that falls to them in round 2, great, but I don't think there is an impetus to target that position over any others.

Plus they are going to use their 2nd in a package to move up to draft Trey Lance :cool:
Wynn costs ten million guaranteed for injury in 2022 so he's not cheap (and through what appears to be bad luck, hasn't been particularly reliable as a pro either, but not exactly a guy I want to give an injury guaranty to), and Brown would also be fairly expensive if he plays most of the season and plays well. OT, maybe another DT, a WR, maybe a DB or two, and anothe rRB seem like the top draft needs, in roughly that order. (At least after QB!)

And they're drafting way up for Fields, not Lance.
 

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Wynn costs ten million guaranteed for injury in 2022 so he's not cheap (and through what appears to be bad luck, hasn't been particularly reliable as a pro either, but not exactly a guy I want to give an injury guaranty to), and Brown would also be fairly expensive if he plays most of the season and plays well. OT, maybe another DT, a WR, maybe a DB or two, and anothe rRB seem like the top draft needs, in roughly that order. (At least after QB!)

And they're drafting way up for Fields, not Lance.
Why would you say that?
 

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Pure genius!

I obviously have no idea but Fields seems like a smoother thrower and I think he's more accurate, both of which seem important to BB.
He's also certainly played in a MUCH bigger environment at Ohio State compared to NDSU. They're almost the identical size - Fields is 6'3", 228, while Lance is an inch taller at 6'4", 226. Lance runs about a 4.5 40, while Fields has run 4.41. Both have guns for arms.

Lance 2019 stats for SDSU: 192-287 (66.9%), 2,786 yds, 28 td, 0 int
Fields 2020 stats for OSU: 158-225 (70.2%), 2,100 yds, 22 td, 6 int (had 41 td and 3 int in 2019)

Fields against obviously much more difficult competition, but he also had much more talented players around him than Lance.

Hey, I'll happily take either one if somehow BB can move up and get him.
 

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I know Andrews wasn't the only factor, but the line play in 2019 vs. 2020 was like night and day. After all the incredible signings this past week, I was sort of quietly feeling a little worried that we were going to be losing Thuney *and* Andrews. So this is really, really reassuring.
 

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Love the new toys that BB has added this week but Andrews and Sweetfeet were my must haves to return for our own FA's.
 

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I don’t know if the NFLPA is like the MLBPA, but the MLB side would be all over Andrews for this. There is no way this remotely close to his highest offer
 

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He waited for Mack to sign, at least. Maybe he was doing a solid.
I didn’t see that. Still, this seems insanely low even in this market. Quick search his cap hit ties for 23rd, cash at 16th. Players around the top 10 earned 6-7 mil a year. I fully expected him to get money in that range, 4 years at 6 mil is 20% higher
 

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Isn't it pretty likely those expected offers weren't really there in the end?

He seems like an asset at C and worth a top 10-15 contract but maybe that's not the the general feeling around the league? Or just a bad year to be a FA at some positions.

I'm stoked he is back and glad it's on a team friendly deal. He may have taken a discount, but I kind of doubt he took some massive one to stay.
 

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Isn't it pretty likely those expected offers weren't really there in the end?

He seems like an asset at C and worth a top 10-15 contract but maybe that's not the the general feeling around the league? Or just a bad year to be a FA at some positions.

I'm stoked he is back and glad its on a seemingly team friendly deal. He may have taken a discount, but I kind of doubt he took some massive one to stay.
Corey Linsley got 5/62.5 with 17 guaranteed. Alex Mack also got 3/14.85 with about 6 guaranteed, but he’s 35 years old (36 in November).

Andrews is getting paid like a low level starter now, I don’t buy that his market was a third of the Linsley deal.
 

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At those numbers, this has to be one of the biggest hometown discounts anyone has taken for the Pats, right?
A good friend of mine is very tight with David Andrews (knows him and his family well). He told me last week that Andrews absolutely loves it up here and really didn't want to leave. When it was rumored he was gone, my friend texted me "not so fast....could be, but I know he wants to stay." I didn't realize Andrews wanted to stay that badly for such short money!
 

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Corey Linsley got 5/62.5 with 17 guaranteed. Alex Mack also got 3/14.85 with about 6 guaranteed, but he’s 35 years old (36 in November).

Andrews is getting paid like a low level starter now, I don’t buy that his market was a third of the Linsley deal.
It would surprise me too.... maybe some other offers will leak.

I don't doubt he wanted to stay and took some discount but makes me wonder if his value around the league is less than the consensus here.
 

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I don’t remember which thread it’s in, probably page 1 in this one, but there was a report he had multiple higher offers but he wanted to stay in NE.

I would love the other offers to leak, but I’m sure those teams don’t want to leak the numbers