Pats select Western Kentucky QB Bailey Zappe at 137

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I think I'm OK with either Mac or Zappe being back as the 3rd string QB next year. Neither should be the starter or the backup. If we draft a QB at 3, we should bring in a veteran like Brissett. If we don't draft a QB at 3, then we also need to bring in a veteran to start as well as draft a developmental QB later. But let Mac and Zappe duke it out in the second halfs of exhibition games to see which one doesn't get cut.
 

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Honestly I can’t see a reason to keep either one around.

Whether we draft a QB at 3, or potentially slide down a bit in the 1st or early 2nd for one that needs a little more development, I agree we’re going to want some kind of bridge veteran (Brissett etc) to potentially start the season while the rookie is getting up to speed.

Neither Mac nor Zappe fits the role of seasoned mentor. The offensive system is new so neither one is going to have an advantage there. I think we’ve pretty well established that neither has franchise QB upside. I don’t think anyone imagines either as the Game 1 starter. So once you have a vet here what’s the point of keeping them?

For all concerned it seems like Mac going somewhere else to reset makes the most sense. And while Zappe can arguably be a competent back-up to win a game or two in a pinch that’s redundant with a veteran QB.

I’d rather have a toolsy 2nd QB from the later rounds with a higher ceiling than Mac or Zappe as QB3 than waste a roster spot on them. Maybe mirror the tools of your top QB pick so that the system can stay similar.
 

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I don’t mind Zappe as a third stringer but Mac needs to go. Draft a QB at #3, sign Brissett as the vet backup, keep Zappe because (a) he’s been around long enough now that he has experience and could actually win a game, and (b) is young enough to still be developed.
 
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Keep Zappe, can Mac. I don't think anyone is expecting to be competetive next year so assuming we draft a QB at 3, I don't care if we start Zappe for 4-5 games and then let the kid play. I don't see much of a point in a Brissett type, since we are essentially punting on the season and doing a "to the studs" why get a QB who is going to cost 8-10M to start the season and then hold a clipboard. That money is better spent elsewhere.
 

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Keep Zappe, can Mac. I don't think anyone is expecting to be competetive next year so assuming we draft a QB at 3, I don't care if we start Zappe for 4-5 games and then let the kid play. I don't see much of a point in a Brissett type, since we are essentially punting on the season and doing a "to the studs" why get a QB who is going to cost 8-10M to start the season and then hold a clipboard. That money is better spent elsewhere.
I tend to lean this way as well. Zappe has back up QB skills and will be a 3rd year veteran next season. I think the new coaching staff will want to give him a shot and they should know fairly quickly whether or not he will be able to run their new system. I'd also have no problem if the Patriots want to take a flyer on Sam Hartman or Joe Milton on day 3 and let them compete with Zappe for the back up job.
 

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Keep Zappe, can Mac. I don't think anyone is expecting to be competetive next year so assuming we draft a QB at 3, I don't care if we start Zappe for 4-5 games and then let the kid play. I don't see much of a point in a Brissett type, since we are essentially punting on the season and doing a "to the studs" why get a QB who is going to cost 8-10M to start the season and then hold a clipboard. That money is better spent elsewhere.
Bringing in Brissett as a starter until #3 pick is ready, as a good backup and a good mentor to the rookie would be a good use of $10m.
 

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Honestly I can’t see a reason to keep either one around.

Whether we draft a QB at 3, or potentially slide down a bit in the 1st or early 2nd for one that needs a little more development, I agree we’re going to want some kind of bridge veteran (Brissett etc) to potentially start the season while the rookie is getting up to speed.

Neither Mac nor Zappe fits the role of seasoned mentor. The offensive system is new so neither one is going to have an advantage there. I think we’ve pretty well established that neither has franchise QB upside. I don’t think anyone imagines either as the Game 1 starter. So once you have a vet here what’s the point of keeping them?

For all concerned it seems like Mac going somewhere else to reset makes the most sense. And while Zappe can arguably be a competent back-up to win a game or two in a pinch that’s redundant with a veteran QB.

I’d rather have a toolsy 2nd QB from the later rounds with a higher ceiling than Mac or Zappe as QB3 than waste a roster spot on them. Maybe mirror the tools of your top QB pick so that the system can stay similar.
I'm not sure why we would want to spend resources on bringing in 3 QBs. We need 2 (rookie and some type of veteran) no matter what, I'm not sure a third is the best use of resources since the team has plenty of other holes.
 

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I don't want Zappe because backups are a dime a dozen and he’s shown nothing to prove he’s going to amount to anything beyond that.

If you’re going to keep 3 QBs this year, then draft a QB at 3, double dip in the 4th-6th with a longshot project with 4 years of control as your QB3, and grab a veteran backup with a better track record than Zappe for QB2 like Brissett or comparable for a 1-2 year deal.
 

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Zappe costs nothing to keep other than a roster spot. And he would probably sneak through waivers anyway. Given the injury rate on QB’s these days, I expect they will have 3 on the roster.
 

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But why keep him? He’s not good.
He's cheap and apparently liked in the locker room.

To be honest I'm not sure how much stock I put in the whole "bring in a guy to mentor the kid (assuming we take a QB at 3)" This isn't Brady to Jimmy G, Montana to Young, Rodgers to Love.

Is anyone right now looking at Sam Howell and thinking "gee it's a good thing Brissett was there for him!" (yes, I get that whomever we get at 3 will be a better prospect than Howell)

We have a long time backup in the QB room. He played 31 games, started 8 and even won 3 games as an NFL starter. That guy is our new OC. I'm not sure we need to allot $10M to bring in another guy.
 

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Assuming the Pats draft a QB at #3, the primary role of the second QB will be to help develop that pick to become QB1. I can’t imagine that responsibility to be one Zappe or Mac would excel at or embrace.
 

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He's cheap and apparently liked in the locker room.
I guess my question is “what traits does he have that make him worth keeping?” Cheap and cool are not reasons to keep a backup QB. I want him to have something that he can either rely on as a backup or something to develop. He seems to have neither and I’d like him gone.
 

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I guess my question is “what traits does he have that make him worth keeping?” Cheap and cool are not reasons to keep a backup QB. I want him to have something that he can either rely on as a backup or something to develop. He seems to have neither and I’d like him gone.
This is the right answer. Bailey Zappe is at best a warm body. While you’re not going to solve all of the world’s problems next year - you need to take a chance - no matter how long the odds - that you draft the next Brock Purdy.
 

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I don't want Zappe because backups are a dime a dozen and he’s shown nothing to prove he’s going to amount to anything beyond that.

If you’re going to keep 3 QBs this year, then draft a QB at 3, double dip in the 4th-6th with a longshot project with 4 years of control as your QB3, and grab a veteran backup with a better track record than Zappe for QB2 like Brissett or comparable for a 1-2 year deal.
I'll be disappointed if they don't go into training camp with 2 new QBs, most likely one rookie, one veteran. I just think that beyond that, is QB3 enough of a need, relative to other team needs, to justify a draft pick? I would say no.
 

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I think I'm OK with either Mac or Zappe being back as the 3rd string QB next year. Neither should be the starter or the backup.
Surprised by the thoughts most have on this. Seems to me it all depends how the draft unfolds and the talent evaluations of the top QBs. It's certainly a reasonable idea to trade down in the draft to address more needs and potentially select a developmental QB in round 2 or later in the draft. Mac still has a year of team control and he pretty clearly is the more talented between him and Zappe. There is a world where improvements on the O line and a couple more offensive weapons returns Mac to a decent starter. Maybe that fails but at least you've got players to place around the future QB. The problem with the latter scenario is the fans might not have the patience/stomach to go through another year of Mac being bad, but I think you have to be willing to take that hit.

My guess is Washington takes Daniels to play in Kingsbury's offense and the Pats select Maye, but if the team has a lot of questions about Maye then I hope they either trade down or take Alt.

AVP has the right idea that every option should be on the table. The team shouldn't force themselves into trading Mac, nor should they force themselves into taking a QB high in the draft that they have major questions about.

P.S. Zappe stinks and I don't care what they do with him
 

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Like most things Pats related this offseason, this depends on the FA and draft, but I think there are some people around the league that will take a flyer on Mac with the idea that he could possibly recover and be a good backup QB in the league. I think everyone knows Zappe's ceiling is probably a mediocre backup QB (which is valuable, in its own way). I assume the team will "do right" by Mac and let him move on, through a trade or a cut, and let him see if he can Geno Smith his way back in a few years. Zappe can hang on and get cut in camp or be the #3.
 

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I guess my question is “what traits does he have that make him worth keeping?” Cheap and cool are not reasons to keep a backup QB. I want him to have something that he can either rely on as a backup or something to develop. He seems to have neither and I’d like him gone.
To be fair, "cheap and knows the system" could absolutely be a reason to keep a backup QB.
 

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The system will be changed, but BZ does know his teammates and seems to be respected by them, and that's something.

They'll need a 3rd QB, and Zappe is a capable backup. I'd say keep him and don't waste a draft pick on a project QB with minimal chance of panning out.

edit: typo
 

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Honestly just cheap has value in year 1 of the rebuild as it leaves you space to get creative with FA structure also expendable is nice so if you have injuries you just cut him and see if he makes the PS
 

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Totally. But it’s a new system and I believe the criticism of Zappe internally was that he couldn’t pick up the BoB system. I’m just no sure there’s anything there with Zappe beyond what we’ve seen.
Oh, I'm with you there. I'm not an NFL scout, but I'm perfectly comfortable saying we've seen close to Zappes ceiling. I dint care if he stays or goes.