I'd prefer to trade Buchholz instead of Lacky, to be honest. Obviously, only if we get a decent return for him, though. Re-work Lackey's deal a bit and have him mentor some of the young arms about to flood our rotation.dcmissle said:
Peavy traded to SF
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Great trade. Hembree could replace Mujica immediately and Escobar is having a down year but has otherwise been a dominant lhp at a young age for his prior levels.The Gray Eagle said:
#2 and #7 SF prospects to start the year.
soxhop411 said:
Hector Sanchez suffered a concussion last night. The Giants are calling up Susac.
The Red Sox did very well for themselves. Escobar is the real return. Hembree is a throw in at this point. Has issues finding the strikezone and is repeating AAA for the 3rd time.
Escobar.
BA had him #56 pre-season 2014 prospect.
22yr old LHP @ AAA that has been roughed up by the PCL this year.
nice job by Ben
Wonder what we could get for Lester?
BA had him #56 pre-season 2014 prospect.
22yr old LHP @ AAA that has been roughed up by the PCL this year.
nice job by Ben
Wonder what we could get for Lester?
who keeps the cigar-store Indian?
makes room for Workman or Webster
more chips to play with
thanks Jake,
makes room for Workman or Webster
more chips to play with
thanks Jake,
Escobar and Hembree is more than I expected for Peavy by an appreciable amount.
Hembree has real good K/9 numbers in his past two years of AAA work now and his walk rate isn't awful. there needs to be a mental correction for his ERA, H/9 and HR/9 as he pitches in the PCL which is basically a circuit of launching pads for hitters to get off on. A good bullpen arm for 2015, though maybe also the piece needed to make a move on one of the ML bullpen arms and give Hembree their spot (Badenhop?).
Escobar is a nice haul despite his AAA struggles (which also might be PCL related). He's comparable to Brian Johnson but a year more advanced. If he was putting up a season comparable to what he had been doing prior to getting to the PCL he'd be considered on par with the Ranaudo/Webster/Workman/Barnes/RDLR group but younger.
Hembree has real good K/9 numbers in his past two years of AAA work now and his walk rate isn't awful. there needs to be a mental correction for his ERA, H/9 and HR/9 as he pitches in the PCL which is basically a circuit of launching pads for hitters to get off on. A good bullpen arm for 2015, though maybe also the piece needed to make a move on one of the ML bullpen arms and give Hembree their spot (Badenhop?).
Escobar is a nice haul despite his AAA struggles (which also might be PCL related). He's comparable to Brian Johnson but a year more advanced. If he was putting up a season comparable to what he had been doing prior to getting to the PCL he'd be considered on par with the Ranaudo/Webster/Workman/Barnes/RDLR group but younger.
Escobar just turned 22 in April and is already in AAA. He's struggling in the PCL but that is a tough league for any pitcher, much less a guy that young.
Brianish said:
Career 3.3 BB/9 with almost a 1.3 WHIP in AAA. Honestly, the Giants have being trying to find a reason to put him on the big club since 2012 and it just wasn't there. Maybe the Sox can do something with him.
Hembree will probably see time in the pen at some point. Maybe they shift Doubront back to the rotation and Hembree gets the call. Would like to see what this coaching staff could do with his talent.
This is a good write up on Escobar:
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/7/1/5815740/prospect-note-edwin-escobar-lhp-san-francisco-giants
Edit: Also, if this is what you get for 2 months of Peavy, what in the world might they get for Lester?
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/7/1/5815740/prospect-note-edwin-escobar-lhp-san-francisco-giants
So, Iglesias, Montas, and two throw ins for a world series, Escobar, and Hembree. Nice job, Ben.
Edit: Also, if this is what you get for 2 months of Peavy, what in the world might they get for Lester?
“@brianmacp: Heath Hembree has 109 strikeouts and 29 walks in 94 2/3 innings pitched in the last two seasons at Triple-A Fresno.”
https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/493065520006959104
https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/493065520006959104
Amazing return. AMAZING return.
Escobar shows good peripherals at a young age in an incredibly hard league and throws from the left side.
And Hembree -- in deals like this, I always think the selling team should try to grab a flamethrowing reliever who you can control for 6 years and just run out there. Like the De Paula deal for the Padres, just a live arm who can't start but can dominate the 7th.
And the Sox got both?
YES YES YES.
Escobar shows good peripherals at a young age in an incredibly hard league and throws from the left side.
And Hembree -- in deals like this, I always think the selling team should try to grab a flamethrowing reliever who you can control for 6 years and just run out there. Like the De Paula deal for the Padres, just a live arm who can't start but can dominate the 7th.
And the Sox got both?
YES YES YES.
Lars The Wanderer said:
Escobar: #56 prospect in 2014 according to Baseball America. Lefty starter. Last season, as a 21-year old in A+ and AA, put up this line:
128.2 ip, 112 h, 2.80 era, 1.10 whip, 10.2 k/9
A couple of articles on him here:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/giants-never-lost-sight-top-prospect-escobar
http://www.scoutingbook.com/players/p3620
I'm kind of excited about this kid, though it isn't like the Sox don't have plenty of AAA pitching. But more currency to land Stanton….
Always interesting what new circumstances and coaches might do for a player, but the Giants pitching coaches are nothing to sneeze at, at least at the major league level. Old catcher Bochy is a valuable pair of eyes as well. We'll see.Tyrone Biggums said:
This is definitely a good year to be a seller...
Gomes. Mujica. Breslow.
Lester should get you a starting positional prospect and a wild card or two.
Gomes. Mujica. Breslow.
Lester should get you a starting positional prospect and a wild card or two.
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ivanvamp said:
I digress, and up the ante to Alex Rodgriguez.... and would like to strike my question from the recordivanvamp said:
They sound like decent prospects but they weren't free. The Sox will have to cough up $2-3 million for Peavy's remaining salary.
The best thing about the trade for me is getting Peavy out of the rotation.
BTW, the Sox are likely to go through this again with Dempster next year.
The best thing about the trade for me is getting Peavy out of the rotation.
BTW, the Sox are likely to go through this again with Dempster next year.
I agree, however if it comes out they actually viewed this package over just Crick (which I highly doubt, however Escobar was the #2 prospect) then Ben will probably have some explaining to do.MakMan44 said:
Sure seems like it based on what Peavy got us.Clears Cleaver said:
Also, since the Sox are sending money and taking talent at an area of significant organizational depth this seems like a pretty clear sign of the FO prioritizing quality of talent in return here, as all of us were hoping (versus ditching financial commitments). If that remains the norm it shouldn't be hard to get something of value for Gomes, possibly Drew, while Badenhop, Miller, and if they're so inclined Koji and Lester all have strong markets already. The FO could reap quite the harvest for a bunch of rental players if they were so inclined.
2014 Baseball America preseason prospect handbook notes:
Escobar (2)
"....Escobar always had size and strength, but he got himself in better condition and made an adjustment to raise his elbow in his delivery, allowing him to locate his 92-93 mph fastball, and for the first time, throw a dependable breaking ball. He gained confidence in his slider and it's a plus offering at times that he can throw early in the count or as a put away pitch. His changeup also ranges from average to plus, and he held righthanded hitters to a .222 average..."
Hembree (7)
"Expected to be the club's closer of the future...Hembree vaulted up the prospect rankings because of his 98 mph fastball and power slider. He pitched more effectively in the 92-94 mph range in 2013, but has addressed past issues of wildness within the strike zone and shows more ability to dial back and locate....Even if he never gets back that 98 mph heat, his size and stuff compare well with former Giant Bob Howry...."
Escobar (2)
"....Escobar always had size and strength, but he got himself in better condition and made an adjustment to raise his elbow in his delivery, allowing him to locate his 92-93 mph fastball, and for the first time, throw a dependable breaking ball. He gained confidence in his slider and it's a plus offering at times that he can throw early in the count or as a put away pitch. His changeup also ranges from average to plus, and he held righthanded hitters to a .222 average..."
Hembree (7)
"Expected to be the club's closer of the future...Hembree vaulted up the prospect rankings because of his 98 mph fastball and power slider. He pitched more effectively in the 92-94 mph range in 2013, but has addressed past issues of wildness within the strike zone and shows more ability to dial back and locate....Even if he never gets back that 98 mph heat, his size and stuff compare well with former Giant Bob Howry...."
Tyrone Biggums said:
The gap in projectable talent between Crick and Escobar is huge, though.
I can't imagine the Sox had their choice of Crick or Escobar/Hembree packages and chose the latter. More likely, Escobar's stock has fallen within his own org after an "eh" 2014 so far.
The gap between Crick and Escobar is huge though. SF likely has Crick as their one untouchable.Tyrone Biggums said:
It is worth saying though, how bad does a farm system have to be where two months of Jake Peavy costs you the #2 and #9-#11 (depending on who you ask) prospects from your system? What the hell has SF done to be this prospect poor?
Plympton91 said:
Yeah. The Iggy trade was a good one before this. There is simply no way to argue it was bad after this. Great return. I'm excited to see what kinds of names Lester gets attached to.
Tyrone Biggums said:
So Ben brings back more than any of us were hoping for in a Peavy trade and we already have people inventing ways to criticize? Come on...
Surprisingly good haul for Peavy. Leads me to believe that the Sox cod get a lot more than we expect for Lester. I hope Ben makes it happen.
MakMan44 said:
Seriously. The whole point of moving Peavy was to bring in talent, not to free up a roster space. Paying some of the freight increased the return. It was absolutely the right way to go.
Night of the Keyboard said:
Even if he had, he retired.
Edit: Never mind. He hasn't officially retired, as in he hasn't filed papers.
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