Penn State AD and Sandusky Charged

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An attorney would have told him to do... exactly what he did so far that has gotten himself buried. Report up, dont go to the cops, put the liability on those above you. I just sat in training for this with an attorney in the state of PA yesterday. So now you guys want him to do what the attorney says? wtf.
 

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@murraymakerKen MurrayIf older women who are into younger guys are cougars, are older men into younger boys called Nittanny Lions? #PennState
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Snod, you're better than this. Raping little boys is not funny. Ever.
 

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Even Attorney Advising Victims Says Paterno Shouldn't Have Been Fired

The hero-worship in Happy Valley is so prevalent that a sister of one of the alleged victims still decided to attend PSU. Not only that, she maintains that 1) Paterno should not have been fired. 2) He did what he was supposed to do. 3) Is without blame. Far be it from me to say how a victim's sister should react, but it think it speaks to just how entrenched the Paterno cult really is in that region. Sounds more and more like a Jonestown, Pennsylvania by the day. Crazy.

"Joe, I think, did what he was supposed to do and was focused on his team. I never blamed him."
The PSU administration and board may think they can get away with this on the local level, but there is no way that their response thus far is acceptable on the national level with all the attention the story is getting. Remains to be seen if they have gotten the message. Have to wonder what kind of advice (legal, PR or otherwise) they are receiving, if there is any at all.
 

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In searching for comparable rapid falls - Nixon and OJ have been mentioned.

The fact that Tiger Wood's name did not come up is evidence of just how spectacularly huge his fall was. He's already forgotten.
 

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Snod, you're better than this. Raping little boys is not funny. Ever.
Few things are more annoying than people who tell other people what they're not allowed to make jokes (funny or not) about. Do you send a self-righteous PM to everyone who makes a pedophile joke about Eric Van? I suppose you're still boycotting Letterman, Leno, Jon Stewart et al and all of their sponsors for their Catholic Priest jokes? Sandusky is the lowest form of evil, and everyone who helped cover this up is a colossal scumbag. But a joke is just a joke. Don't be the thought police.
 

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Few things are more annoying than people who tell other people what they're not allowed to make jokes (funny or not) about. Do you send a self-righteous PM to everyone who makes a pedophile joke about Eric Van? I suppose you're still boycotting Letterman, Leno, Jon Stewart et al and all of their sponsors for their Catholic Priest jokes? Sandusky is the lowest form of evil, and everyone who helped cover this up is a colossal scumbag. But a joke is just a joke. Don't be the thought police.
Fuck you. Rape is not funny. Ever.
 

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Few things are more annoying than people who tell other people what they're not allowed to make jokes (funny or not) about. Do you send a self-righteous PM to everyone who makes a pedophile joke about Eric Van? I suppose you're still boycotting Letterman, Leno, Jon Stewart et al and all of their sponsors for their Catholic Priest jokes? Sandusky is the lowest form of evil, and everyone who helped cover this up is a colossal scumbag. But a joke is just a joke. Don't be the thought police.
I am not disagreeing with this post, but I've noticed that Stewart and Colbert haven't touched this.
 

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In searching for comparable rapid falls - Nixon and OJ have been mentioned.

The fact that Tiger Wood's name did not come up is evidence of just how spectacularly huge his fall was. He's already forgotten.
I think it's more Tiger banged Ho's and cheated on his wife and it was a huge scandal, but he didn't break the law.
 

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I am not disagreeing with this post, but I've noticed that Stewart and Colbert haven't touched this.
The Cardinals will be staying at the Domus Sanctae Marthae, the new hotel at the Vatican, where turn down service means the bell boy isn't interested. -Jon Stewart
 

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The Cardinals will be staying at the Domus Sanctae Marthae, the new hotel at the Vatican, where turn down service means the bell boy isn't interested. -Jon Stewart
Pretty sure he meant they haven't touched the penn st scandal.
 

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As a consequence of McQueary's testimony, the university's president, its athletic director, and its legendary football coach have lost their jobs. Firing McQueary now would look like sacking a whistleblower, even though that's not reality.

The new football coach will sack McQueary this winter. That's soon enough.
Athletic Director is still on payroll. He has a leave of absence and the university is paying for his defense.
 

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Athletic Director is still on payroll. He has a leave of absence and the university is paying for his defense.

This and the fact that McQueary was still on staff were the main points one of the PSU student reporters made on EEI a little bit ago.
 

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This and the fact that McQueary was still on staff were the main points one of the PSU student reporters made on EEI a little bit ago.
I f I was at Penn St. I would be absolutely furious about this. Board of Trustees should have completely cleaned house. Keeping the AD and fire JoePa is completely disingenuous.
 

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Kremlin, you want to tell the good people of SOSH what the Russian translation of JoePa is?
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Not going there.
 

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Dude on ESPN said Paterno badly wants to clarify what he knew and what he saw, just not sure when he'll speak.
If in fact he does arrange to talk at length publicly, it has the potential to go down as one of the most awkward and surreal press conference ever in athletics. Maybe most awkward/surreal press conference period.

I'm trying to think of representative comps; Tyson post Lennox Lewis fight saying he'll eat Lewis' children? Pitino responding to sex scandal allegations on a "day that Ted Kennedy died"? Jim McGreevey announcing "I am a gay American" in front of his wife when resigning as NJ governor after maintaining a homosexual affair with a member of the Israeli Defense Forces?
 

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A glimpse into the thought-process of a Penn Stater who views Paterno as a martyr for other's sins.

http://www.jeffpearlman.com/guest-post-from-an-angry-penn-state-student/

I didn't think Sandusky, Schultz, and Curley were being let off the hook by the media, but apparently alot of PSU students do.

Personally, anyone who believes that the Penn State AD was actually higher than Joe Paterno in the chain of command at that school is either naive, disingenuous, or clueless.
 

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Indeed ... So don't play a game. The priority is saving the school not a football game but they're worried about the game. Nuts.
I thought they should cancel the rest of the season when this story broke to send the message that the football program is not above the reputation of the university. But if the Madden story is correct, they should eliminate their football program now and forever.
 

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I thought they should cancel the rest of the season when this story broke to send the message that the football program is not above the reputation of the university. But if the Madden story is correct, they should eliminate their football program now and forever.
ESPN could make a statement by not broadcasting Saturday's game. Nothing good will come of that game being on the air.
 

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A glimpse into the thought-process of a Penn Stater who views Paterno as a martyr for other's sins.

http://www.jeffpearlman.com/guest-post-from-an-angry-penn-state-student/

I didn't think Sandusky, Schultz, and Curley were being let off the hook by the media, but apparently alot of PSU students do.

Personally, anyone who believes that the Penn State AD was actually higher than Joe Paterno in the chain of command at that school is either naive, disingenuous, or clueless.
I think it is a fair perception that Sandusky, Schultz and Curley are being let off the hook to a degree. Joe Paterno has been focused to a large degree. Certainly, he is deserving of such focus, but his wrongdoing is clearly less than those three and the focus of the media doesn't reflect that.
 

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I think it is a fair perception that Sandusky, Schultz and Curley are being let off the hook to a degree. Joe Paterno has been focused to a large degree. Certainly, he is deserving of such focus, but his wrongdoing is clearly less than those three and the focus of the media doesn't reflect that.
Media attention is based as much as, if not more, on the size of the public figure, as it is on the severity of the action/inaction. Always has been, always will be.
 

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Personally, anyone who believes that the Penn State AD was actually higher than Joe Paterno in the chain of command at that school is either naive, disingenuous, or clueless.
I think this is a key statement and is one of the main disconnects for the Pro and anti Joe people. The pro people take the chain of command at face value and say he followed it. The con people like you believe the AD was a Paterno puppet who did Joe's bidding while giving Joe the required cover.


Edit: To be clear I agree 100% that he was a puppet.
 

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ESPN could make a statement by not broadcasting Saturday's game. Nothing good will come of that game being on the air.
ESPN is in a tough spot.

If they air the game, they will get good ratings, but they will tarnish a product (college football) they've invested a lot of money in selling. And of course, they'll give a platform to Paterno's mindless supporters.

On the other hand, if they don't air the game, they will hide the shameful behavior of those supporters, and that's something the public has a right to see.

I think they should air the game, but reasonable people may disagree.
 

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I don't get the Joe PA as martyr defense, the only people involved who are not gone are McQueary and Curley. Curley is on administrative leave because they can't fire him until the legal issues are cleared, McQueary to me is the least culpable, he was the only one not in a position of power, when Paterno and the administration covered it up the tacitly told him not to open his mouth.
 

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I don't get the Joe PA as martyr defense, the only people involved who are not gone are McQueary and Curley. Curley is on administrative leave because they can't fire him until the legal issues are cleared, McQueary to me is the least culpable, he was the only one not in a position of power, when Paterno and the administration covered it up the tacitly told him not to open his mouth.
Agreed.

Curley is basically gone. So long as he's not allowed back on campus, except perhaps to clean out his office, I don't care about his contract status (which is why I purposely glossed over this detail upthread).

T-Ric mentioned Curley's defense costs. I was surprised to hear PSU is paying those -- it's customary to advance defense costs for lawsuits arising from on-the-job actions, but not to defend against criminal charges (job-related or otherwise).