SMU_Sox said:So we're debating performance in small sample sizes... Might I suggest we take everything with a grain of salt? Just a reminder that football is already a game of small sample sizes. When you take the playoffs, and playoffs alone, into account that's an even smaller sample size. We're talking about assessing an individual's performance in a team game with a tiny sample size. I'm sorry - but I'm already skeptical.
Football Outsiders has a piece up from 1989-2013 on this topic. It's a good read. It's not the be-all-and-end-all.
Ugh. That's the same kind of garbage that makes NPR so unlistenable when they to talk about sports. They had a woman on On Point who wrote what sounds like an interesting book about the history of football - and she sounded pretty knowledgeable - and then had Armen Ketayen to preview the Super Bowl - yet Tom Ashbrook sounded like such an uninformed dipshit (Lynn Swann catching 49 passes for 700 yds in SB X?) that it rendered the whole thing unlistenable.RoyHobbs said:I'm gonna add this to the reasons why I don't read sports commentary at places like Huffington Post.
There use to be an old coaching compliment. "He could beat you coaching his team, and then he could beat you coaching your team against his." That's where I am with Brady versus Manning. Brady showed he could win with whatever team he was given, and if you gave him a stacked team (like in 2007) he could win that way as well. He didn't win the superbowl in 2007 but he didn't exactly lose it either. Being one defensive play away from winning a superbowl two times doesn't equate to personal failure in my mind. I don't know that Manning could have won in New England the way Brady was asked to - I think (with no way to prove it), that some of those playoff games would have gone differently. A pick here, an errant throw there. Just my opinion.
Does manning have the same receivers Brady has had? I think you reverse the supporting cast (especially post surgery for manning) and Brady has unreal offensive numbers. Belichick is obv an advantage... But I feel like manning would make the same mistakes that he's consistently made in the playoffs... His ints have really had nothing to do with coaching have they?Nick Kaufman said:
Yeah, but Brady had Belichick. I feel that a lot of stuff attributed to Brady are due to a large extent to Belichick. Let's do another thought experiment. What happens if Payton is coached by Belichick throughout his career and Brady by Dungy, Caldwell and Fox? Do the stats remain the same? I feel Manning would gain an edge in stats and W-L record if that is the case.
Dick Pole Upside said:How convenient:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10682817/peyton-manning-denver-broncos-want-paid-more-tom-brady-new-england-patriots
I think this is laugh-out-loud funny in an uber-cynical way.
The perception is always that PM commands top dollar, to the point where Irsay second-guessed the construction of the Manning Colts due to the imbalance in distribution of resources.
After conducting an auction for his services, with a notorious agent known for acrimonious negotiations resulting in top dollar deals, Manning now wants the benefits of sainthood after his mercenary tactics didn't yield the ultimate results (SB victory) everyone expected.
Biased? Sure, but Manning needs to stew a little longer in his soiled legacy diaper, if you ask me.
Reverend said:I love the fact that Brady takes below market rate and see it as a sign of his competitive spirit and willing to do what it takes for the team, but it is probably worth mentioning that his wife basically gets money hurled at her basically for, like, going outside.
If was Manning, I wouldnt be too pleased with my agent today.
Reverend said:I love the fact that Brady takes below market rate and see it as a sign of his competitive spirit and willing to do what it takes for the team, but it is probably worth mentioning that his wife basically gets money hurled at her basically for, like, going outside.
Reverend said:I love the fact that Brady takes below market rate and see it as a sign of his competitive spirit and willing to do what it takes for the team, but it is probably worth mentioning that his wife basically gets money hurled at her basically for, like, going outside.
Jettisoned said:I guess it's really only a drop in the bucket for the school since $105 K is slighly more than in-state students pay to go there, but could they really not find a better use of that money than to have a football player show up for an hour?