Phillies fire Joe Girardi

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Cratered pretty fast on Joe. It's not really his fault though, as is usually the case in midseason firings.
 

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This really feels like a situation where the GM should fire himself, but instead the manager gets axed. They have a scary defensive OF and their bullpen has been hot garbage for over a year, but sure, let's blame the manager.
 

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Cratered pretty fast on Joe. It's not really his fault though, as is usually the case in midseason firings.
I'm not deeply into all things Philly, but it seems like they made a lot of moves and upgraded the club in significant ways during the off-season.

They should be a +.500 team. And their pythag says they should be a .500 team. They were a .500 team as of mid May. Now they're 7 games under .500.
 

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Their defense is all-world bad, even worse with Harper's injury forcing him to DH, still no pen, etc.
 

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This really feels like a situation where the GM should fire himself, but instead the manager gets axed. They have a scary defensive OF and their bullpen has been hot garbage for over a year, but sure, let's blame the manager.
Maybe the GM should install himself as manager - he was a finalist for the Boston job, maybe that’s a better fit for his skill set.

Although the role of a GM under DD is also an open question.
 

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Castellanos, Hoskins, and Bohm are all underperforming as well. And now Segura, a guy who was playing well, is out 3 months with a fractured finger. Harper has been good. Their pitching has been pretty mediocre.
 

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My money was on LaRussa being first (although he probably has more influence with ownership than the GM). I'm still amazed the White Sox clubhouse hasn't had a public squabble yet this season.
 

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My money was on LaRussa being first (although he probably has more influence with ownership than the GM). I'm still amazed the White Sox clubhouse hasn't had a public squabble yet this season.
As annoying as I find LaRussa, I have to say I think he handled the Donaldson situation pretty well.
 

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What a mess. Girardi was probably the wrong guy for this current iteration of the Phillies, but Dombrowski did him no favors with his 'All DH, all the time' approach to roster building. Curious to see how DD fares going forward given that he doesn't have anything close to the bounty of minor league assets he could turn to during his Red Sox tenure.
 

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What a mess. Girardi was probably the wrong guy for this current iteration of the Phillies, but Dombrowski did him no favors with his 'All DH, all the time' approach to roster building. Curious to see how DD fares going forward given that he doesn't have anything close to the bounty of minor league assets he could turn to during his Red Sox tenure.
This is the meme on Dombrowski. But apart from Moncada/Kopech for Sale, didn't he mostly move fungibles?
 

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This is the meme on Dombrowski. But apart from Moncada/Kopech for Sale, didn't he mostly move fungibles?
True, but aren't most prospects fungible with hindsight though?

At least Ben left DD a cupboard of prospects to deal, however valuable they were. The Phillies farm system seems pretty barren now.
 

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This is the meme on Dombrowski. But apart from Moncada/Kopech for Sale, didn't he mostly move fungibles?
Yes, but he has always been bad at building bullpens, he has never cared much about defense, and in Boston, he did a terrible job restocking the system, to the point where they are still trying to catch up to TB and NY. For BOS, that mattered a lot less IMO as he built the best team in the history of the franchise in 2018, but of course he hasn't come close to that kind of success in PHI.
 

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Yes, but he has always been bad at building bullpens, he has never cared much about defense, and in Boston, he did a terrible job restocking the system, to the point where they are still trying to catch up to TB and NY. For BOS, that mattered a lot less IMO as he built the best team in the history of the franchise in 2018, but of course he hasn't come close to that kind of success in PHI.
No argument on DD's roster building philosophies. If PHI can't muster a Morrero or two, they're pretty much up the creek.