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It always is. It's part of the package with Green.

Oh, I know all about Draymond, but today has been really bad since the early fouls he got. I've seen the refs T up IT4 for less demonstrative shit than Draymond has done repeatedly today.
 

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Oh, I know all about Draymond, but today has been really bad since the early fouls he got. I've seen the refs T up IT4 for less demonstrative shit than Draymond has done repeatedly today.
If saying fuck in the refs direction was truly an automatic T like IT got hit with, then Draymond simply wouldn't be playing basketball like ever. He'd get tossed over and over again.
 

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Klay totally tried to give that back. If it werent for the bounce on Curry's shot I think this one goes the other way.
 

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Dramatically that was a good game, but it didn't make me less certain we are getting another finals rematch, which sucks because both teams are so unlikeable.
 

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They don't lose the game if Leonard plays the rest of the game
No kidding. Anyone calling this a squander is way off. Warriors needed Kawhi out of the game for last 20 mins to win by 2. Spurs should be up 1-0. Irritating.
 

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No kidding. Anyone calling this a squander is way off. Warriors needed Kawhi out of the game for last 20 mins to win by 2. Spurs should be up 1-0. Irritating.
He left the game with a 23 point lead. Of course, they would have won if he didn't get hurt, but it doesn't make it any less of a squander by the remaining players.
 

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Yeah, pretty much this. He should be suspended, but of course he won't be.
Even if he is, who cares really. Taking a half (or more) from Leonard is worth way more than a game from zaza. There's no real alternative I guess, but all sports seem to have this issue of iffy players taking out stars without much in the way of repercussions to their team
 

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To be clear, he left the game after Zaza Pachulia fouled him. Some here think it was dirty. I didn't see it that way. But he was hurt before.
FTR, I didn't see it that way either. From the baseline camera angle, it didn't look like he moved underneath any more than his momentum from the shot contest naturally brought him.

So, foul - yes. Nothing more.
 

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He left the game with a 23 point lead. Of course, they would have won if he didn't get hurt, but it doesn't make it any less of a squander by the remaining players.
The remaining players were the JV team and Aldridge. Don't think many teams survive that onslaught without 2 key players, one being a top 5 guy.
 

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DeJesus also thought Draymond hitting LeBron in the nuts wasn't a dirty play so take that with a grain of salt...
 

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FTR, I didn't see it that way either. From the baseline camera angle, it didn't look like he moved underneath any more than his momentum from the shot contest naturally brought him.

So, foul - yes. Nothing more.
Looked pretty dirty to me. Took an extra step after the ball was released, and after his initial contest. He basically contests a second time post release.
 

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DeJesus also thought Draymond hitting LeBron in the nuts wasn't a dirty play so take that with a grain of salt...
Yeah, love his enthusiasm but DeJesus is basically Spicy when it comes to the Warriors.
 

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@BSF and Kliq - way to attack the post and not the poster guys. GJGE. Watch the replay, it's debatable at best whether Zaza was trying to hurt Leonard. You are making it out as if its clearly dirty. Its a play that happens in every NBA game everywhere and not the equivalent of what Green did.
 

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@BSF and Kliq - way to attack the post and not the poster guys. GJGE. Watch the replay, it's debatable at best whether Zaza was trying to hurt Leonard. You are making it out as if its clearly dirty. Its a play that happens in every NBA game everywhere and not the equivalent of what Green did.
Green's garbage last year was far more obvious and you still didn't agree with the general consensus so why would you start now? That's my point. You're going to take the pro-Warriors angle on everything. It's simply what you do and your history on this board suggests this.
 

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@BSF and Kliq - way to attack the post and not the poster guys. GJGE. Watch the replay, it's debatable at best whether Zaza was trying to hurt Leonard. You are making it out as if its clearly dirty. Its a play that happens in every NBA game everywhere and not the equivalent of what Green did.
I'm not saying that play was inherently dirty, just that you might not be the most reliable source of an opinion.
 

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Looked pretty dirty to me. Took an extra step after the ball was released, and after his initial contest. He basically contests a second time post release.
I see a small hop at the end that seems to be part of his forward momentum / stopping. All I can say is that "dirty play" never even entered my mind until I caught up on posts here.

Obviously, people are seeing this one differently.
 

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Green's garbage last year was far more obvious and you still didn't agree with the general consensus so why would you start now? That's my point. You're going to take the pro-Warriors angle on everything. It's simply what you do and your history on this board suggests this.
I said Green got what he deserved and that it was bad. What I disagreed with was the suggestion that Green "kicked" or "punched" LeBron. That didn't happen.
 

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I see a small hop at the end that seems to be part of his forward momentum / stopping. All I can say is that "dirty play" never even entered my mind until I caught up on posts here.

Obviously, people are seeing this one differently.
I think this one is iffy. Could go either way. Given the known injury to Kawhi and the person responsible, I'm inclined to be a slight lean towards not unintentional.
 

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All I can say is that they must wear steel toed work boots when they play basketball in the NBA. The idea of purposefully placing your foot where 240 odd pounds of muscle and bone is about to land after jumping 30 inches in the air seems unhealthy.
 

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I had someone put their feet under me after a jump shot in a pickup game. 20 years later that ankle still isn't the same so I'm pretty sure the foot placer is better off than the foot place-ee. I'm also pretty damn sure that they know exactly what they are doing when they go underneath (including the Celtics)
 

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I see a small hop at the end that seems to be part of his forward momentum / stopping. All I can say is that "dirty play" never even entered my mind until I caught up on posts here.

Obviously, people are seeing this one differently.
Yeah, the "dirty play" people are looking for reasons that don't exist. Pachulia's momentum is carrying him toward the shooter......as the momentum carries ALL closeout defenders toward the shooter. He takes another step/hop step because as a 7-foot lumbering big (for the most part) Zaza doesn't possess the agility to really do much else 25 feet from the basket. These types of innocuous plays occur a dozen times in every NBA game.....many times a personal foul is called on the closeout defender per the rule that you must allow the shooter to land. Noboby has called closeouts a dirty play all season but it is now because Kawhi has a bad ankle? It really is a silly argument imo. Even Kawhi said so.
 

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Whatever you say. Just not worth it so I'll drop it.
I will just add that you are clearly rooting for the Spurs as evidenced upthread and this is totally cool.

However if you are going to argue that my bias (please leave politics out of this forum) colors my view of Zaza' s foul you should at least acknowledge that yours does the same for you.

Personally I would prefer to discuss the actual play rather than relitigating past debates which have nothing to do with this series.
 

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I will just add that you are clearly rooting for the Spurs as evidenced upthread and this is totally cool.

However if you are going to argue that my bias (please leave politics out of this forum) colors my view of Zaza' s foul you should at least acknowledge that yours does the same for you.

Personally I would prefer to discuss the actual play rather than relitigating past debates which have nothing to do with this series.
I have been quite consistent in my support of the Spurs over the years. That is already out there. And despite all that, I already said that this play was iffy. Some NBA players and execs thought it was dirty and others thought it was just an accident. I can see it both ways. I also remember having numerous conversations with Spurs fans about Bowen (to this day some won't acknowledge his dirty tactics). If it's your guy/team, you're naturally going to give him more leeway. I know I did with KG.