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#Yankees have emerged as clear front-runner for #Orioles’ Britton, sources tell The Athletic. NYY scratched RHP Dillon Tate from his start tonight at Double A. As always, no deal is complete until all medicals are approved by both clubs.


Yankees are moving closer to a deal for Zach britton. intense negotiations is the word.
 

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Firstly, coming in here to gloat...

Ok, done.

Secondly, NOW I hope we get a pen arm. Pomz is not a guy I'm excited about jogging out for a couple of batters. I hope he can figure it out in the pen (if that's where they send him) but I really hope someone else is walking through that door. Don't mind it won't be Britton, either.
 

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I'm not sure where anyone has suggested this. Not having that guy may mean the difference in winning the division vs having to play the Wild Card game. As for names, do I have any? No one specific, but I also don't have the baseball acumen, resources and connections of DD and the Red Sox front office. With Wright out and Rodriguez seemingly for some time, do we rely on both Johnson and Velazquez as starters?
This place is truly amazing at times. Throughout much of this thread the Sox were not going to be able to find a 4th/5th starter type because A) They are hamstrung by the luxury tax, B) Without any prospects to deal, C) Couldn't afford to lose the few prospects that they had and D) There wasn't anyone at that level worth adding to the roster. I for one feel better with the addition of Eovaldi to the back end of the rotation and the move also frees up one of Johnson or Velazquez (perhaps in time even Wright) to return to the pen.
 

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They must be fairly confident that (a) Pedroia is done for basically the year, and (b) none of the internal options (Holt, Nunez, or Phillips) are acceptable.
Pretty sure on Pedroia being done by the tone of reports lately.

Also if they get a competent everyday second baseman, it would allow some flexibility to use Holt/Nunez at 3B as insurance on Devers if his defensive struggles continue.
 

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They must be fairly confident that (a) Pedroia is done for basically the year, and (b) none of the internal options (Holt, Nunez, or Phillips) are acceptable.
I'm guessing that Phillips is behind Holt, Nunez and Lin at this point. I think that with Holt and Nunez you have to look at their worth to the team in the roles they currently fill. Either or a combo of both could fill in at 2nd as is the case at the moment, but if either is needed to man another position for any period of time in the event of an injury (Devers) you've lost a good deal of flexibility throughout the lineup. Targeting someone else to come in and play 2nd is probably wise.
 

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Wouldn't Lin be a perfect candidate for the 25th man on the playoff roster? He plays good defense at many positions, has some decent speed (obviously not the next Dave Roberts... but....). If we're all worried about Devers in the post season, Lin would seem like the perfect late inning defensive replacement there, no?
 

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This place is truly amazing at times. Throughout much of this thread the Sox were not going to be able to find a 4th/5th starter type because A) They are hamstrung by the luxury tax, B) Without any prospects to deal, C) Couldn't afford to lose the few prospects that they had and D) There wasn't anyone at that level worth adding to the roster. I for one feel better with the addition of Eovaldi to the back end of the rotation and the move also frees up one of Johnson or Velazquez (perhaps in time even Wright) to return to the pen.
Well, I'm not sure Eovaldi is a clear upgrade on Johnson or Velazquez, who both have better numbers as starters than their overall lines below:
Eovaldi - 57.0 IP, 8.37 K/9, 1.26 BB/9, .245 BABIP, 0.98 WHIP, 4.26 ERA, 4.28 FIP, 3.49 xFIP
Johnson - 54.1 IP, 7.79 K/9, 2.82 BB/9, .325 BABIP, 1.42 WHIP, 3.81 ERA, 3.80 FIP, 4.38 xFIP
Velazquez - 54.0 IP, 5.67 K/9, 2.50 BB/9, .312 BABIP, 1.37 WHIP, 2.50 ERA, 4.10 FIP, 4.53 xFIP

That said, he does improve the overall staff, no matter how things get shuffled. He also provides some upside as an insurance option in the event Pom/EdRo/Wright don't return to their "good" versions. His success against righties also could lend itself to a bullpen role. I think it's really about the best DD could have done for a starter given the constraints, so I don't have complaints.
 

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The problem with claiming someone in August is that you can get stuck with their salary with no negotiations and that can mess everything up. I think they are more likely to do something before then, if they do anything else.
But you don't have to claim them; you can wait for them to pass waivers as all overpaid players do, and then negotiate a trade as easily as now (before the July 31 deadline).

Kinsler will definitely pass waivers. So will lots of other vets who can help the Sox.
 

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But you don't have to claim them; you can wait for them to pass waivers as all overpaid players do, and then negotiate a trade as easily as now (before the July 31 deadline).

Kinsler will definitely pass waivers. So will lots of other vets who can help the Sox.
Out of the box idea—trade for Iglesias. Can shore up infield defense and probably versatile enough to play both 2B and 3B. Not a zero with the bat either. Hitting .264.
 

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Out of the box idea—trade for Iglesias. Can shore up infield defense and probably versatile enough to play both 2B and 3B. Not a zero with the bat either. Hitting .264.
Whom can we trade to get Iglesias, Dozier or other desirables?
 

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What assets are left to trade? Off the main roster I think a subsidized Pom and Kelly along with maybe swihart depending on vaz health. Perhaps Nunez or Holt if they get back dozier.

The race to win division was point of eovaldi. Can’t have Pom on the roster. But what DD needs to think about is what the post season roster looks like

Sale
Price
ERod
Porcello

They have to have ERod. He’s their number 2 starter imho. Hopefully he’s able to help. In rotation or bullpen.

The only guarantees in the pen right now are
Kimbrel
Barnes
Hembree (!!!)

I think eovaldi, Wright and Thornburg end up here. Maybe ERod if he’s not stretched out. Playoff pitcher usage is changing and Sox will need 7 guys in pen.

Realistically they get six innings out of sale each start, five from Price and six from porcello. ERod or eovaldi couldn’t be counted on for more than 4 innings versus Houston or NYY. So in any playoff game they’ll need 9-12 outs minimum. Kimbrel is three. Do you trust Thornburg, Barnes, or Hembree? Wright?

They need another arm. One that can get through springer, altuve, Correa and judge, Stanton, didi et al. I don’t think they can win without that.

I’d love to know what Twins want for Dozier and pressley.
 

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Why would anyone want Pom or Kelly, even for free?

Pom has had a down year where he's battled injury, but he's been excellent the past two years. My guess is he'd have value on par with Eovaldi. Certainly not negative value.
 

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Pom has had a down year where he's battled injury, but he's been excellent the past two years. My guess is he'd have value on par with Eovaldi. Certainly not negative value.
If we could extract the equivalent of Beeks for Pom it would likely be done. He’s two months from free agency with an ERA pushing 7 and can’t hit 90. If someone took his money alone you drive him to the airport.
 

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Pom will be in the pen soon enough where he can hopefully get up to at least 92-93 for an inning or two.

they're going to give him a bit more rope, doubt he'll be traded.
 

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Pom will be in the pen soon enough where he can hopefully get up to at least 92-93 for an inning or two.

they're going to give him a bit more rope, doubt he'll be traded.
Sure, but my point is he might be someone a team might take back in a trade, especially if subsidized. He was useful last year and for SD but honestly I doubt the Sox think this is a guy who you can trust to get outa in the playoffs as a starter or a reliever. What value does he have this year to this team?

Kelly still throws 100mph. Just like Sox thought they could fix him maybe someone else thinks they can harness his arm. But is he an asset for this Boston team? Likely not.

The other arm that could be useful is Workman.
 

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Sure, but my point is he might be someone a team might take back in a trade, especially if subsidized. He was useful last year and for SD but honestly I doubt the Sox think this is a guy who you can trust to get outa in the playoffs as a starter or a reliever. What value does he have this year to this team?

Kelly still throws 100mph. Just like Sox thought they could fix him maybe someone else thinks they can harness his arm. But is he an asset for this Boston team? Likely not.

The other arm that could be useful is Workman.

Do you think the other playoff teams wouldn't have the same doubts about Joe Kelly? Why would a non playoff team want to fix a rental? I'd guess Pom and Kelly have very little value and any team that would value them could be a potential opponent in the playoffs. So in the small chance Pom and Kelly do get better, you just made your competition stronger.
 

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Sure, but my point is he might be someone a team might take back in a trade, especially if subsidized. He was useful last year and for SD but honestly I doubt the Sox think this is a guy who you can trust to get outa in the playoffs as a starter or a reliever. What value does he have this year to this team?

Kelly still throws 100mph. Just like Sox thought they could fix him maybe someone else thinks they can harness his arm. But is he an asset for this Boston team? Likely not.

The other arm that could be useful is Workman.
He doesn't have value to any team. If he had value as a rental for a team with a playoff shot, he would have that value for us. Any team not in sight of the playoffs isn't going to give up any assets for 2 months of him. There's no upside for them whatsoever. If they think they could harness his arm, they'll offer him a deal in a couple months.
 

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Sure, but my point is he might be someone a team might take back in a trade, especially if subsidized. He was useful last year and for SD but honestly I doubt the Sox think this is a guy who you can trust to get outa in the playoffs as a starter or a reliever. What value does he have this year to this team?

Kelly still throws 100mph. Just like Sox thought they could fix him maybe someone else thinks they can harness his arm. But is he an asset for this Boston team? Likely not.

The other arm that could be useful is Workman.
How does a team in the Red Sox's position financially justify subsidizing any more players to play elsewhere? If they're going to pay Pomeranz or Kelly's salary but don't want them on the roster any more, they'll DFA them because NO ONE is going to trade anything to the Red Sox for them. If the Red Sox don't see value in keeping them on the roster, no one else will either.
 

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Wow. 6 weeks ago some on the board were suggesting letting Kimbrel walk at the end of the year and having Kelly as closer. Now Kelly and Pom with their reasonable salaries are negative assets. Let's roll back the WEEIisms and give them a chance to work on their issues. At least one of the two is likely to contribute in a very positive way to this awesome run.
 

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Wow. 6 weeks ago some on the board were suggesting letting Kimbrel walk at the end of the year and having Kelly as closer. Now Kelly and Pom with their reasonable salaries are negative assets. Let's roll back the WEEIisms and give them a chance to work on their issues. At least one of the two is likely to contribute in a very positive way to this awesome run.
Negative assets =/= no trade value. If they had another year or two of service, they'd have trade value.
 

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Yes. I understand negative assets in general mean no trade value. My point is that especially with Kelly and his 3.8 MM contract, that one needs to give him a chance to work out his issues before anyone can decide he is not an asset this year.
 

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The Murphy right knee is a concern. Microfracture. His stroke has come back, his power has not, and he's sitting tonight due to soreness. Whoever wants him had better do A+ job on medical due diligence.
 

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The Murphy right knee is a concern. Microfracture. His stroke has come back, his power has not, and he's sitting tonight due to soreness. Whoever wants him had better do A+ job on medical due diligence.
Sooo, the perfect guy to bring in to fill the Pedroia void, then?

I doubt the Nats get many takers, unless there's a desperate team that loses out on Dozier (are there even two teams in on him?). Murphy has that Nomar in 2004 vibe. Not necessarily the attitude but the question of whether he can play consistently for the rest of the year. Not something a contender wants to deal with unless they're in a real bind.
 

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Injuries, lose of power plus a lousy defensive player makes this a pass.
 

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It’s too bad. He was a force, remade himself at the plate, and no player has terrorized his old team (Mets) since Carlton Fisk tortured the Red Sox with the White Sox.
 

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Interesting that a Nats guy was here when Swihart started. If he was scouting the Red Sox you have to wonder who else would even be available on their roster.

Unless they are buying from the Twins
 

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I had been wondering if they would flip Herrera.
Quite possible. Wieters will be a free agent next year too, so they'll need a catcher. Though I'm not sure they could move Swihart until Vazquez is get back, so not sure what the Nats are looking for.
 

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This series in Miami, plus whatever unfolds this weekend in the NL, will determine whether the Nats are sellers.

Rizzo has eyes for Realmuto. But Rizzo is incredibly disciplined and tough minded on trades. I don’t expect him to meet the Marlins” price; I don’t expect the Marlins to drop their price.

Swihart — but maybe for next year — would appear to be a possibility.
 

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Queston for those more familiar with MLB logistics....would it be possible to agree to a trade for PTBNL (knowing it will be Swihart) and then complete the trade after Vazquez has returned? Would Swihart need to be passed thru waivers if the deadline has passed, or just wait until the off-season??
 

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Queston for those more familiar with MLB logistics....would it be possible to agree to a trade for PTBNL (knowing it will be Swihart) and then complete the trade after Vazquez has returned? Would Swihart need to be passed thru waivers if the deadline has passed, or just wait until the off-season??
I believe part of the PTBNL rule is that the player cannot have been on the 25 man roster from the time the trade was agreed to when it is completed. Otherwise there would be potential for some serious shenanigans on the part of the team continuing to use a PTBNL before trading him. Which is also why the PTBNL is typically a list of minor league guys to guard against injury situations.
 

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I believe part of the PTBNL rule is that the player cannot have been on the 25 man roster from the time the trade was agreed to when it is completed. Otherwise there would be potential for some serious shenanigans on the part of the team continuing to use a PTBNL before trading him. Which is also why the PTBNL is typically a list of minor league guys to guard against injury situations.
Makes sense
 

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This series in Miami, plus whatever unfolds this weekend in the NL, will determine whether the Nats are sellers.

Rizzo has eyes for Realmuto. But Rizzo is incredibly disciplined and tough minded on trades. I don’t expect him to meet the Marlins” price; I don’t expect the Marlins to drop their price.

Swihart — but maybe for next year — would appear to be a possibility.
Rizzo is a smart guy and I’m sure he realizes their window with this group is closing; the Phils and Braves are ahead of schedule and will both be powerhouses for the next 5-7 years. He should sell what he can and build around Scherzer, Strasburg, Rendon, Turner, etc...not sure though how ownership views their situation though.
 

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I believe part of the PTBNL rule is that the player cannot have been on the 25 man roster from the time the trade was agreed to when it is completed. Otherwise there would be potential for some serious shenanigans on the part of the team continuing to use a PTBNL before trading him. Which is also why the PTBNL is typically a list of minor league guys to guard against injury situations.
http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/player-to-be-named-later

Player to Be Named Later (PTBNL)
Definition
When clubs consent to include a player to be named later (often abbreviated PTBNL) in a trade, they agree to decide upon or announce the final player involved in that trade at a later date.
Using a PTBNL can be especially advantageous after the non-waiver Trade Deadline, as players that would otherwise be required to first clear waivers can be included in the trade as a PTBNL -- provided they are not on the 25-man roster -- and officially sent to their new club once waiver clearance is no longer mandatory for a trade.
In other instances, the club sending the PTBNL away will provide the acquiring club with a list of players from which to select the PTBNL. In such cases, an agreed-upon deadline -- by which the acquiring club must select the PTBNL -- will often be set.
Example
The July 2007 trade that sent CC Sabathia from the Indians to the Brewers saw Cleveland receive first baseman Matt LaPorta, left-hander Zach Jackson, right-hander Rob Bryson and a PTBNL. The deal was supposed to be centered around LaPorta, but the PTBNL -- Michael Brantley -- has made a far greater big league impact than anyone else the Indians acquired in the transaction.

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Tyler Lyons just DFA’ed along with Holland who was expected to be released. Wonder if there’s interest in Lyons. If he can get back to last years numbers certainly would be a positive contributor
 

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Tyler Lyons just DFA’ed along with Holland who was expected to be released. Wonder if there’s interest in Lyons. If he can get back to last years numbers certainly would be a positive contributor
Is there reason to believe he will get back to last year's numbers? Because he's been pretty shitty this year. He missed a month with an elbow injury and hasn't exactly been demonstrating that the struggles were attributable to the injury (5 appearances, 3 innings, 21.00 ERA, .556 OBP against since coming back).
 

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There's just no reason for them to throw shit at the wall on these castoffs. There are plenty of 6th inning guys in Pawtucket. Would either Holland or Lyons be better than Workman for example?

They don't need JAG's, they need an actual clear ugrade over Joe Kelly or another Matt Barnes type if anything.